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The Formula 1 2013 Season |OT| End of the Webber Era
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Sleeplessnights
Banned
Yeah, British GP when Mark held position and he was pretty pissed off about it. RBR told Mark that team orders apply both ways. Apparently not.
Had Webber not turned his engine down Vettel might not have got past.
Nico should have been allowed past though, but good on him for DOING HIS JOB.
Wait... so Webber turned his engine down and THEN Vettel took him? FUUUUUCK.
Can anyone verify that? I'm not sure if I understood that right or not.
Helmut going to back up Vettel? Sounds like it. Wait... maybe not. "It's not like Mercedes where it's clear #1 and #2". Good shit, Marko.
Can anyone verify that? I'm not sure if I understood that right or not.
Helmut going to back up Vettel? Sounds like it. Wait... maybe not. "It's not like Mercedes where it's clear #1 and #2". Good shit, Marko.
Yeah, lest we forget F1 is an individual sport, any talk of teams is ridculous, right?
That's what he said.
ClassyPenguin
Banned
horner's face says it all. This is going to be some season.
oh Lewis, at least stick to your actions.
oh Lewis, at least stick to your actions.
bobnowhere
Member
Lol, even Helmet Marko looks puzzled!
Sleeplessnights
Banned
He didn't, he held position.
Webber said that Vettel took his own path, but will get team protection as usual. In those words.
Gah i just missed his interview, can someone summarise his questions and answers?
PdotMichael
Banned
After he tried to overtake him.
Diablohead
Member
Though I am happy to see ham in 3rd he really should have ended up 4th as he was noticeably slower for at least 6 plus laps
Oh wow, I can understand why he is pissed then
FootballFan
Member
Class from Hamilton. I feel for Mark, Vettel lost a few fans today.
Racing is his job, not making up the numbers. Team orders are one of the worst things about F1 at the moment.
Red Bull just piss me off so much. Webber is their only saving grace.
That's not how Formula One works. Now I have to assume you haven't followed F1. You have only so many engines, and it's pretty much "now you take care of the cars. Don't crash, don't spend the engines, let's not risk losing to Mercedes by pushing our tyres in the beginning". Then Vettel goes and disregards that and overtakes him, anyway. That's not cool, because not only is Vettel telling is bosses to suck it, disregarding what they say. Insubordination is actually a thing even in F1.
Salacious Crumb
Junior Member
Love Mark, not afraid to call it how he sees it.
For decades drives have leaned out engines (pre ecu) and stopped fighting for position after the last pitstop. It's hardly new, and it's hardly team orders in the sense of deciding who wins.
No, your job is whatever your boss tells you it is.
His boss told him to hold station, as he has told Mark to do countless times, as Brawn told Nico to do.
Team orders have been a part of F1 since it's inception, you can just hear it now.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Now just what Helmut Marko come in and protect Vettel. If team orders were to go into engine saving mode Vettel needs to do as ordered.
But wow... makes Seb look even worse if Webber had his engine tuned down and Seb didn't.
So, state of play was like this?
Webber, turn your engine down, you're safe.
Vettel, hold position.
Vettel doesn't hold position.
Love to know what mappings Vettel had. Waiting to hear that. Sky commentators seem to be completely ignoring that completely and just talking about performance.
PS. Also, note that Webber after the podium went the opposite direction.
PPS. Horner sounding VERY pissed. Saying "they", but clearly talking about Vettel.
So, state of play was like this?
Webber, turn your engine down, you're safe.
Vettel, hold position.
Vettel doesn't hold position.
Love to know what mappings Vettel had. Waiting to hear that. Sky commentators seem to be completely ignoring that completely and just talking about performance.
PS. Also, note that Webber after the podium went the opposite direction.
PPS. Horner sounding VERY pissed. Saying "they", but clearly talking about Vettel.
Ahhh, good to see the Golden Boy Vettel hasnt changed his spots for 2013.
In typical fashion, its do whats best for me and fuck what's best for team. Can't wait till the karma train hits him head on.
Webber got reamed (yet again). The body language and interview on the podium said it all.
In typical fashion, its do whats best for me and fuck what's best for team. Can't wait till the karma train hits him head on.
Webber got reamed (yet again). The body language and interview on the podium said it all.
Sleeplessnights
Banned
If he didn't he might as well have handed in gloves.
He didn't pass him and respected team orders in the end. Now look how it paid off.
I've followed F1 for about 18 years, this is not how it used to be.
BrokenEchelon
Banned
Everyone on Red Bull is full of shit.
When is Webber's contract up?
When is Webber's contract up?
PdotMichael
Banned
He tried to overtake Vettel after he was told to hold position.
It was the same situation and the only difference is that Vettel could overtake him today.
You must've skipped the last years then. This has been prevalent factors during the last 3 years. It's not cool, many have had good comments about how it's silly, but it's not surprising that this happens, so your argument should then be "this is what wrong" not "when did this start happening?"
One year deal.
Racing is his job, yes, but it's racing for a team. He's not an independent entry in the race. Do I enjoy seeing teammates being allowed to fight for position? Absolutely. But I think if there is a common understanding about how to finish a race within the team, then that should also be respected. Working in a team is a bit more complex than just racing everyone at every moment.
It was highly entertaining, but it's also not hard to see how the other people involved might be rather disappointed in how it went down.
ClassyPenguin
Banned
Merc had some fuel issues so it's different bur smh vettel that was just hot headed.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
If Ham wasn't fuelled right it makes absolutely no sense for Rosberg to be ordered to sit back. Ham was never going to chase down the Bulls so they should have let Rosberg pass and Ham finish 4th. It's not his fault they didn't fuel him right, but still it's not Nico's either.
I didn't say that though? If I was on gaf for the last few years you'd have heard me moan about it then too.
I liked Hamiltons interview in that regard, he look like he felt bad that he was allowed to stay in front.
Fuel issues only with HAM, ROS was fuel correctly