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The Formula 1 2013 Season |OT| End of the Webber Era
- Thread starter Leunam
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What a shock. People led me to believe only Ferrari had team orders. Quelle surprise...
Lauda is just trying to find an excuse to blame Ross Brawn and find a scapegoat to fire him without a backlash.
"We decided to replace Ross after the incident in Malaysia. Mercedes doesn't have team orders and we are very disappointed in the decision that Ross decided to make on the pitwall"
Lauda is just trying to find an excuse to blame Ross Brawn and find a scapegoat to fire him without a backlash.
"We decided to replace Ross after the incident in Malaysia. Mercedes doesn't have team orders and we are very disappointed in the decision that Ross decided to make on the pitwall"
Judging from how embarrassed Hamilton looked on the podium, I'm going to guess that they messed up on his fuel load, but didn't want him to feel let down by the team's incompetence, so they sacrificed Rosberg to make him feel better, since he's their star signing.
It's bullshit really.
I see your point but it doesn't make it any less palatable though. They need to maintain a better balance.
state_vector_collapse
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My biggest problem with this race as well. Could have turned into an absolute farce if Hamilton had been slowed to a crawl at the end because of his fuel, and Rosberg still behind him.
Then Hamilton fanboys calling him a class act for his words at the end there. A class act would have let his team mate slide by. Always hated Hamilton and it just gets worse, Mercdeds have now shown Rosberg he is their own Massa bitch to do with as they please.
But that has nothing to do with Webber sucking it up. As much as team orders are wrong, Webber does nothing wrong by believing in them, and Vettel does all wrong by disregarding them. Vettel is making life miserable for a lot of people, and it's not OK to be disobedient like that. Not only do you come off as immature and selfish, but it's just a general indecency that Mark Webber can do without. So no, Mark Webber should not suck it, no matter how many years you've watched F1.
No that was near the start of the race
ClassyPenguin
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I agree, but there are literally a dozen problems with the way F1 is run in general. There's a long list of shit to bitch about, and this just happens to be the issue which influenced the result today.
zomgbbqftw
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Better to have one angry driver about the fuel load than two angry drivers at the fuel load and team orders...
Gareth Bale
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Webber clearly didn't get his jawline from his dad
Tenacious-V
Thinks his PR is better than yours.
Alonso - Attack of the lap 1 samurai complete! RBR and Merc defeated!
And from what I can gather, he didn't wind down his engine when Mark did, either. Bit easier to overtake when you have a better mapping than your teammate.
Ahaha, Sky playing "Respect" by Aretha Franklin. Love it.
His mum must be one handsome woman.
Now he feels like he was given a 3rd place instead of earning it. Worst is that everyone knows about it, so of course he doesn't like it. I'm glad not everyone is obsessed with winning at all costs...
Vettel blurbed that out on the team radio during the middle of the race.
Webber was actually the faster of the two at the time.
Sleeplessnights
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You think Mark was unable to pass Vettel? Are you saying that he obeyed team orders because he couldn't disobey? So if he found a pass he would have went for it?
Do you know how team orders work?
Gareth Bale
Member
Webbershrug.gif is going to get some good use this season
hehehehe
Holy fuck! I didn't realise THAT was the signal he gave him. Webber must've known they were on different mappings (preservation vs. performance). Sunhi, get on it. I need to make that an avatar as soon as possible.
Suck shit, Vettel. You deserve all the hate you cop from this.
Webber was on the preservation mapping, Seb wasn't. Not hard to understand how he could take him.
There's really nothing indicating this. No time in history has he done anything like it, whereas it's hard to argue it's not in the nature of Vettel. So I don't get where you're coming from. There's also nothing indicating what the actual difference in speed was, as Mark slowed down since the team told them both to.
Either both drivers should ignore team orders or both should follow. If one follows & the other doesn't then its stuipid
Sleeplessnights
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That looks to me like he's making fun of the finger. Not doing a birdie.
Just another reason to <3 Gaf
It was definitely the bird. Sky showed it again from the cockpit and said that they could show it because it was being blurred.
zomgbbqftw
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Vettel was only faster because he was in a faster engine mode. That's what it sounds like at least. Webber switched down to saving mode on team orders and Vettel didn't.
RomanticHeroX
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Clearly going to be a lot of people unhappy at Vettel in Red Bull, but I don't see anything they can really do to punish him.
Well, I'm actually willing to bet that in this same race, if Rosberg said fuck it to team orders and overtook Hamilton, most people in this thread would also be celebrating his heroism. Is it hypocritical? Sure. But I don't think it's surprising that underdogs are easier to like!
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
Excellent!
I don't think Brawn will be at Merc for the start of the European races with Lauda on the warpath
Team orders in terms of letting one driver win over another are shit, orders to hold position are frustrating and can be abused but should be respected by the drivers.
Excellent!
I don't think Brawn will be at Merc for the start of the European races with Lauda on the warpath
You really think getting rid of Brawn will make the team better? LOL
Team orders suck, but it's not cool that Mark is fucked over by his team-mate deciding to go rogue.
Well, I guess it all explains why Seb was just pulling away from Webber at the end and he had to watch that tyre... clearly he was still on the push/performance/speed mapping while Webber wasn't.
Absolutely despicable. What's the difference in points.. 2?
Edit: What did Hamilton say on the podium exactly? I didn't catch any of it.
Absolutely despicable. What's the difference in points.. 2?
Edit: What did Hamilton say on the podium exactly? I didn't catch any of it.
Of course. Nobody would dare upset the wonder kid.
Risk Breaker
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Mark <3
Sleeplessnights
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F1GAF don't like Vettel, everyone knows it.
Why are you making it sound like that is a deep just-discovered conspiracy theory? :lol
Especially considering they were 1-2 very late into the race. Vettels pass was a pubic hair away from Webbers right side and the barrier - could of easily been a total disaster.
BrokenEchelon
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He essentially said that he felt bad/awkward that he was on the podium and not Nico.