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The Formula 1 2013 Season |OT| End of the Webber Era
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Adam Scott Aukerman
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Well, Hamilton did have a much lighter car don't forget.
Perez finished 9th.
yeah because istanbul made him lose his first championship
on a different matter, can we talk about how bad mclaren were today. both cars were retired today, that was awfull.
I can't tell if the Sky coverage is awful or you don't pay attention because Perez got 2 points
Very limited viewing angle from inside vettels colon.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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He also got the fastest lap. I bet no one predicted that.
Psychotext
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Interesting thing there is that Hamilton obviously used up massive amounts of fuel pushing to defend throughout the race... now that's the sort of thing that would punish you vs other drivers, but in this case it wont seem to do you any harm vs a teammate.
Edit - I'm amused that 2 points is a good result for McLaren. Shows how dire their situation is.
my bad, went to the toilet when perez was coming in at the last few laps. thought they were retiring him as well.
I'd guess that was his last lap, he pitted the lap before so he had no fuel and brand new tires it's not that surprising.
zomgbbqftw
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yeah because istanbul made him lose his first championship
on a different matter, can we talk about how bad mclaren were today. both cars were retired today, that was awfull.
Perez finished in the points.
I would say he used up more fuel pushing to attack, very fast in and out laps trying to get the jump on the red bulls and also spending a significant amount of time in the 2s dirty air window that wouldn't have helped.
zomgbbqftw
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Mercedes didn't fuel Hamilton for a podium finish as they didn't expect Alonso to fail so hard and open that opportunity up. It was a poor decision in the end.
Psychotext
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Yeah, certainly looks that way.
Sure, bits of both, but obviously in normal circumstances things like that have consequences, and like he said himself, he was told to save fuel from early on.
Is this mercedes pace a one off like last year at china? They seem pretty quick to me. They were setting fastest laps all race long. Im really glad we got 4 top teams now fighting for wins. Lets hope mclaren can join them.
Still cant get over the fact how stupid the decision by ferrari was. He lost a lot of points. I could def see him fighting for the podium if he was still in the race.
Still cant get over the fact how stupid the decision by ferrari was. He lost a lot of points. I could def see him fighting for the podium if he was still in the race.
Worrying.
IISANDERII
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Did Mercedes have problems with underfueling last year?
Last year I was blamig McLaren for it's incompetence to properly fuel Lewis car in several races, but now same thing happend in Mercedes so I'm not sure it was all MCL fault anymore. Could it be that LH is just not good in managing fuel consumption as planned before the race?
Last year I was blamig McLaren for it's incompetence to properly fuel Lewis car in several races, but now same thing happend in Mercedes so I'm not sure it was all MCL fault anymore. Could it be that LH is just not good in managing fuel consumption as planned before the race?
Thankfully Webber hasn't said anything like "I will never speak to Sebastian again"
There seems to have been a gamble that the poor weather and tendency for safety cars will reduce the need for a high fuel load, in the end the weather was good and someone had chloroformed charlie whiting. The merc engine is supposedly very thirsty so the merc powered cars start off at a massive weight disadvantage to the renault powered cars overly tempting them to skimp on the four star.
pants
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On the plus side next year he may go to ferrari and be stuck in a crap car for a decade.
Thing is, Vettel actually asked for a team order himself earlier in the race ("Get him out of the way") and then later disobeys when they tell him to stay back. That's kinda hypocritical too.
Business
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That was brilliant thanks for sharing
Certinty
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Did Vettel back off after that comment?
If not it just makes it even funnier as Webber starting lapping even faster than him.
Here is a video of all the important Red Bull radio messages from today.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xy...grand-prix-team-radio-extra_auto#.UU9LORyePD7
(stolen from reddit)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xy...grand-prix-team-radio-extra_auto#.UU9LORyePD7
(stolen from reddit)
Diablohead
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Button always has loose wheel nut problems, like it's his destiny.
Psychotext
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It *is*. Metaphorically speaking.
About the "dirty public toilet stall".
You'd have overtaken a teammate knowing he was using lower settings? You're a bit of a cunt too, then.
(Don't take that personally, just saying that it was a dick move to "fight" with him when obviously he's on a slower setting. You don't just magically go slower than your teammate toward the end of a race for no reason)
I don't think so. And Webber was never holding him up, from memory. I think they were trading 1/100s back and forth, but never enough to justify a request for them to move over.
Those comments just make Vettel look even worse after this.
It's like the 2010 Silverstone wing all over again... except Mark isn't coming away with a win :/ Like I've said earlier, I hope the vitriol from the general public and the press gets to Vettel. He's shown that he hasn't been able to handle it all that well and unless he goes on a 100% media blackout, he'll know exactly what everyone thinks. Hoping that there are some crafty banners at the Chinese GP
RibbedHero
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Seb's an okay guy off the track, total cunt on the track though.
Hopefully Mark starts disobeying team orders and we'll see how well Seb holds up the rest of the season.
Hopefully Mark starts disobeying team orders and we'll see how well Seb holds up the rest of the season.
I just had a quick look at that team radio video that someone posted, and the stats on the screen... at the time he said that, Vettel's fastest lap was .300s quicker than Mark's. No idea on how consistently they were lapping, but like I said earlier, doubt it was more than .100s or so (but again, going back and forth, not all one way).
Salacious Crumb
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Only 20 points this race, dropped 30 places in the GAF league. What a disaster.
22 points, down 24 places. Fail. It was kimi and fernando throwing every other prediction off by at least 2 that got me.
Strange that horner has mentioned brazil last year a couple of times in interviews ive seen. Seems he's hinting that mark didnt help then and this is some kind of revenge.
Strange that horner has mentioned brazil last year a couple of times in interviews ive seen. Seems he's hinting that mark didnt help then and this is some kind of revenge.
Yep, and I'll freely admit that, but that would be the type of driver I'd be if I was fortunate enough to be in F1.
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oh lawd im still second and managed to close on prupose lololol
Fuck, up to 5th
Psychotext
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Do you really think that Webber didn't turn everything back on when Vettel started coming at him? Not a chance.
You know his personality well enough to know that there's no way he'd be giving up that place without a fight. Plus it was fairly easy to see that there was no shortage of speed available when he was defending against a DRS assisted Vettel. Tyre condition might be something else entirely, but it's pretty clear that the car wasn't handicapped by settings when they were swapping places back and forth through the corners.
Holy shit, I was 100% sure I'd fall back. Just 2 points difference between the Top 3, that's more exciting than the race today lolIt starts
oh lawd im still second and managed to close on prupose lololol
It starts
oh lawd im still second and managed to close on prupose lololol
Dammit pants, you were suppose to drop way down the league
Still catching you by 2 places
Did you see the times? He was dropping almost a whole second a lap to Vettel for each lap afterwards. That's why Vettel won by four seconds and not a few hundredths.
Psychotext
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Afterwards, once Vettel had passed, of course. He knew he wasn't going to be able to pass him by the end of the first full lap (and you could tell he was really trying to stay with him)... but I'm talking about before.
Like I said, you know full well there's no way Webber's just letting Vettel slide past whilst he's got his settings turned down. Remember, like Mark himself said, there wasn't a particular reason for it, it was just his understanding that he'd already won the race and was cruising to the end.
Don't forget, they were fighting from the second Webber got out of the pits until Vettel passed him two laps later.
Two laps after that Webber was still in DRS (on lap 48 he was side by side with Vettel into turn 1) and only then did he start dropping back.
Like I said, you know full well there's no way Webber's just letting Vettel slide past whilst he's got his settings turned down. Remember, like Mark himself said, there wasn't a particular reason for it, it was just his understanding that he'd already won the race and was cruising to the end.
Don't forget, they were fighting from the second Webber got out of the pits until Vettel passed him two laps later.
Two laps after that Webber was still in DRS (on lap 48 he was side by side with Vettel into turn 1) and only then did he start dropping back.
Wow, I even gained five positions. Up to 12th now. I thought I was screwed when Kimi turned out to be struggling but betting on a Vettel win and Grosjean 6th gave me some much needed points. Thank you Vettel for ignoring team orders.
edit: As for the race. I don't care about the drama between Vettel and Red bull. It did however make for a very entertaining race. I do however think it's a shame that both Lotus and Force India failed to deliver when they showed so much promise beforehand.
Has anything come from the Kovalainen showing? With Marussia planning to score points this season, Caterham has to do something about their rookie line-up and getting Kovalainen back in would be a much needed improvement.
edit: As for the race. I don't care about the drama between Vettel and Red bull. It did however make for a very entertaining race. I do however think it's a shame that both Lotus and Force India failed to deliver when they showed so much promise beforehand.
Has anything come from the Kovalainen showing? With Marussia planning to score points this season, Caterham has to do something about their rookie line-up and getting Kovalainen back in would be a much needed improvement.
