brotkasten
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Can we please get some news already? This whole Vettel hate is getting old and boring.
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The Formula 1 2013 Season |OT| End of the Webber Era
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BTW, Ross Brawn is sticking to his story.
He just declared in an interview, that both drivers were having fuel problems. ROS weren´t as bad as HAM, as he was able to use DRS and had HAM slipstream. If he had allowed ROS to overtake, he would have had the same problems as HAM.
Believe him or not - he´s a goner...
Happy now?
He just declared in an interview, that both drivers were having fuel problems. ROS weren´t as bad as HAM, as he was able to use DRS and had HAM slipstream. If he had allowed ROS to overtake, he would have had the same problems as HAM.
Believe him or not - he´s a goner...
Happy now?
They'll have the Top Gear team at a race. If the team want to punish you, you won't know about it until they come out to do your pitstop. Everyone wins!
...I want an episode showing the Top Gear team trying to do an F1 pit stop. That can only end in tears.
Psychotext
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I don't. He's full of shit.
If Nico really did have a fuel issue then they didn't tell him about it until he cruised up to the back of Hamilton. Even Rosberg doesn't believe that he had a fuel issue.
RomanticHeroX
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It takes three guys per tire, maybe that's what happened to Button?
Psychotext
Member
I can't get over how smooth everything in the pits looks this year. It's like a symphony of motion.
Psychotext
Member
I was waiting for that or a Force India pic. 
RomanticHeroX
Member
They waved him through without even a pause, that's pretty smooth to me.
I was waiting for that or a Force India pic.
High quality entertainment for sure, last Sunday.
Should count as a new record. He´s earned it.
http://www.youtubedoubler.com/?vide.../watch?v=wu1zDTchMYg&start2=55&authorName=FAV
Mute the one on the right
Mute the one on the right
Are you really arguing Webber could beat Vettel in a race?
Only reason he was in the first place was because of the awful decision by the team to bring vettel in as early as they did.
Webber lost 3 seconds to vettel in his in and outlap at the time of the last pitstop.
Webber should focus on getting off the line. I dont get how anyone can be so smug as he is. Talking shit about the team all this time and being a number 2 driver. This team is the first time he actually became relevant in this sport. He should be thanking them for the chance after every freaking race.
He fucked his own chances in the 2010 season in korea and the races that followed. He was dominated in 2011 and was not on the same level as Vettel in 2012.
Also Red Bull should figure out what they want. They bashed Ferrari for using team orders and said in the past that they let their drivers race. Well let them race for christ sake.
Myoclonic Jerk
Member
I like how your brain works.
While I agree with most you wrote, this particular sentence is somewhat unfair, as WEB was already under order to save his engine at that point.
Psychotext
Member
Don't they generally race until the final pitstop? Would seem a touch unfair for the driver on a different strategy otherwise.
In other news, Little Miss Ecclestone's doing a Playboy shoot.
NSFW: Bumshot
http://instagram.com/p/XU0M75lw2x/
NSFW: Bumshot
http://instagram.com/p/XU0M75lw2x/
Ross Brawn alleges that the race engineers told ROS and VET to save fuel in lap 34...
In the end it depends on the car, and the race situation. I think RBR was already sure they´d win this race well before the last pitstop.
Psychotext
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Would.
brotkasten
Member
It was clear who would win the race, after the 2nd lap.
He was told to save the tires not his engine. Thats what i heard on team radio messages.
Correct me if im wrong but webber could easily could have switched his engine to full mode when he saw vettel right at his back. They had 3 laps to fight over position and in the end Vettel won that battle.
You could just see it in how Vettel drove that he wanted that win bad. He clearly was faster than webber and chose to keep distance between him and webber in stead of killing his tires. I think he was preparing himself to fight after the last pit stop. His ideal situation would have been a better in and out lap so he could have come out in front of webber.
His time in the pits was slower that webber though which caused him to come out behind webber.
pants
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lol why, she needs no money. Does she want to become some faux celebrity or something?
Want some of that paris hilton and kim kardashian fame.
This is the one that bought that huge mansion in beverly hills right?
brotkasten
Member
Perhaps she was bored?
Psychotext
Member
Truth.
Wow, you're taking all this negativity toward Vettel far more dramatically than I thought.
she should be dating Vettel. Imagine that. Webber would be just perfect for her and Bernie likes him
Myoclonic Jerk
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Nice article about Mark and Kimi
Mark really became my second favorite driver on the grid
EDIT: Link.. duuuhh - http://www.f1plus.com/en/news/item/3381-does-formula-1-lack-personality
Mark really became my second favorite driver on the grid
EDIT: Link.. duuuhh - http://www.f1plus.com/en/news/item/3381-does-formula-1-lack-personality
They did let them race, Webber won that race and they were told to bring the cars home.
You are wrong. Vettel never put his car into "multi 21" mode or whatever, meaning by the time Webber realized that his team mate disobeyed his team it was already too late. Also not really a "battle", more like a sneak attack.
Psychotext
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That doesn't really jive with the numbers we saw. Webber lost all of his time on his inlap and pit (he went from 3.5 seconds ahead to neck and neck)... so he either made a mistake, they screwed up his pit (they didn't) or basically turned his engine off rather than down.
As for when Vettel made his "sneak attack" he still took more than a lap to pass him so obviously Webber had plenty of time to turn everything back on (and then two laps within DRS range to attack him back).
Vettel never got the chance to win that race. He was screwed by his first pit stop when he got out in traffic. I cant remember when RBR have pitted him first in a situation like sunday. Normally they pit Webber to see how things go.
Also im not wrong, the fight took place over 3 laps. Vettel tried overtaking him on several occasions. Webber had enough time to fight back as he did and change his settings. Brake bias and engine settings are changed in seconds on a f1 car.
Exactly. Webber lost a lot of time in his inlap. His pit stop was faster than vettel and his time in the pits was shoter. Vettel just nailed his in and outlap to close that gap.
There is no way in hell webber was suprised. He had enough time to fight back.
Also if webber was as fast as people think he should have overtaken vettel after he was overtaken. He got close but never got close again and vettel pulled away.
Vettel lost a lot of time behind webber during lap 23 to 28 or 29. He was within a second those laps but lost time behind him, thats why the mercs got so close to them.
Psychotext
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Sorry, just double checked my numbers, he was 3.5s ahead not 4.1s. Either way, that's a MASSIVE amount of time to lose in one lap. Maybe he overcooked his tyres a bit.
Unrelated - Why on earth was Webber on hards for the final stint? He pitted 2 laps after Vettel who was on the medium tyre for the remainder of the race. Especially given Vettel had done 17 laps on mediums at the start of the race... they have to have known it was doable.
Unrelated - Why on earth was Webber on hards for the final stint? He pitted 2 laps after Vettel who was on the medium tyre for the remainder of the race. Especially given Vettel had done 17 laps on mediums at the start of the race... they have to have known it was doable.
Team control knew vettel would be on the faster tire on his last stint.
Also webber eats his tires. Everyone knows he is no magician with his tires like some other drivers.
What would be the point in taking the risk with the mediums. Maybe they thought he had the race won and his team mate wouldn't attack since there is no threat behind.
Psychotext
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Possibly. But the team had to know that Vettel had a brand new set of mediums to come and that's he'd be massively racy on low fuel. Surely they should have used those earlier if they knew they were just going to let Mark coast to the end?
Either that, or Webber should have got out of the way on the first stint when he was on a different strategy?
(This all aside from the disobeying orders thing, just find the strategy choices odd)
That's the older one, right? I thought the younger one, that bought the house in California, was blonde. The older one is already a lingerie model so I guess playboy is the next step...
followed by porn?
Webber got to the weigh in much earlier than Vettel and Hamilton. By the time they arrived in the little box with drink and watches he was nowhere to be seen. Apparently didn't want to go outside. Then he did come in, I think said something to Hamilton then blanked Vettel.
"Mark"
"Multi 21 Seb"
Webber's fastest lap on hards was .200 off Vettel's fastest lap on mediums. They were basically lapping the same times throughout the entire race, with Webber even pipping him on the occasions they were different, with the exception of after the third stop.
Psychotext
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That was lap 45, probably the only lap where they were both pushing as hard as they could (when Vettel was trying to overtake Webber). Seems when Vettel passed Webber neither bothered putting in any more fast laps.
Of course, that puts paid to the "Webber had his engine turned down when Vettel passed him" aspect.
Of course, that puts paid to the "Webber had his engine turned down when Vettel passed him" aspect.
Psychotext
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I'm still gutted about Kobibashi and Chandhok.
Realistically that's as much to do with personalities as anything else... sue me.
Realistically that's as much to do with personalities as anything else... sue me.