Is that last comment a joke? They can't even finish in the points on a regular basis. Williams and Force India have a much better chance of winning a race than McLaren do.
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The Formula 1 2014 Season |OT| Who Will Win? Nobody Nose
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Is that last comment a joke? They can't even finish in the points on a regular basis. Williams and Force India have a much better chance of winning a race than McLaren do.
Before or after PD releases the Senna content?
I don't think it's so easy to put a value on the driver. With Hamilton for 6 consecutive years they won races every season and had strong in-season development. They end 2012 with the fastest car and since then have been no absolutely no where. They're starting to look completely lost again this year which is really disappointing after Aus.
They desperately need a 'superstar' driver back in their line-up.
theignoramus
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Man, you guys are hard on Jenson.
Monaco 2004, Hungary 06, Montreal 2011, Japan 2011.Jenson can put together some great drives, certainly enough to be afforded some respect
Monaco 2004, Hungary 06, Montreal 2011, Japan 2011.Jenson can put together some great drives, certainly enough to be afforded some respect
Benson is a pedestrian driver. The championship he won was in a car retired Rubens would've won in. McLaren has been going backwards since he joined. Hamilton fans were thought to be bitter or resentful for saying it, but it's the truth. He held Lewis and McLaren back. Whitmarsh was the muppet many of us called him out to be, and now he's sacked. Button is the last remaining weak cog from that regime. Mac hitched their wagon to a certified donkey while everyone else is fielding thoroughbreds. PEACE.
Wax Free Vanilla
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williams and force india have maximum engine performance from using petronas fuel
once the big update is on the car and mobil 1 deliver a new fuel mix mcLaren will win and handsomely beat williams and force India in the constructors championship
after some of the senna content is being released this week
lotus 97t
some shit go kart
80's versions of monza and brands hatch
so mclaren are now shit because hammy is no longer there saying 'it needs more grip, man' ?
whitmarsh didn't sign button
ron dennis did after he found out whitmarsh was going to sign heidfeld for the 2010 season
Sources please. Everything I've ever read about that had Heidfeld pegged for the extra seat at McLaren for most of the year until Button won the title, at which point they changed their minds and went with the Champion.
Wax Free Vanilla
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i can't remember if it was the jan or feb edition of f1 racing magazine, but here's a crop of the mclaren / ron dennis piece i posted in the off season thread:
in ronbo we trust :bow
in ronbo we trust :bow
They've certainly lost something since Ham left.
Caught up with the race yesterday, pretty boring overall but fun finish with Rosberg coming for Hamilton. As long as he keeps the competition up then we'll at least be in for a few interesting battles up front.
Fantastic drive by Vettel, wow. So impressed with him working up the field, good to see after he's been fairly stagnant this year. Sad he passed Bottas in the end, though. Otherwise, happy to see Bottas up in 5th.
Though I have noticed Williams seems to have problems in the long run? They always start great for the first stint or so but then really fall back afterwards. What is that? Poor tyre management/fuel strategy? Still new to following the sport so I'm unsure of why they seem to lose it. Massa really fell of at the end.
Also I can't believe the Silver Arrows lapped Raikkonen on the last lap, fucking unbelievable how much more pace they have than the rest of the field.
Fantastic drive by Vettel, wow. So impressed with him working up the field, good to see after he's been fairly stagnant this year. Sad he passed Bottas in the end, though. Otherwise, happy to see Bottas up in 5th.
Though I have noticed Williams seems to have problems in the long run? They always start great for the first stint or so but then really fall back afterwards. What is that? Poor tyre management/fuel strategy? Still new to following the sport so I'm unsure of why they seem to lose it. Massa really fell of at the end.
Also I can't believe the Silver Arrows lapped Raikkonen on the last lap, fucking unbelievable how much more pace they have than the rest of the field.
Nicktendo86
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I'm with waxy on this one, they will win a race or get very close. The car will have basically a b spec and will be much improved.
god I hope anyway
theignoramus
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Your definition of pedestrian certainly isnt mine. if he was that, why is his career marked with demonstrations of him putting together a superlative drive in races that had unpredictable weather. The man has an exceptional knack for figuring out where the grip is in the wet. I gave you specific examples, like Hungary 2006 and in 2011 or Montreal in that same year. Never mind the Brawn championship year, which I never mentioned.
What are the chances of both Silver Arrows, both Red Bulls and Alonso having mechanical failures in the same race? We'll also pretend that Hulkenberg, Checo and Bottas all come down with malaria that weekend. Then just maybe, McLaren could snatch a podium.
Given that only 4-6 drivers a season get to drive a car capable of winning a race, you're pointing out a small number of races in an extremely long career, whereas the likes of Alonso, Hamilton and Vettel tally that number of great drives in a single season. Plus, those conditions are rare. And we're not even sure he's better than everyone at figuring that stuff out, just better than Lewis.
Ruben has amassed more memorable drives than Benson. Hockenheim 01 alone shames anything Button's done. Yet, we'd rate Rubens as pedestrian. Ditto for Coulthard, who's also had as many great drives as Jenson. Understand I have had this opinion for years. Jenson came into what was still a good Williams team. Did nothing there, while it crumbled. Became a headline driver at BAR for god knows what reason, and outside of that one win, where he showed good form, the team was going nowhere. It took Brawn's diffuser to get him a title, and since then nothing.
McLaren was good when he got there, and wonderboy Whitmarsh proceeded to compromise a fast car repeatedly to accommodate Button, who's style is simply slower. That's the galling part. Developing a car to accommodate a slower style. Fuck all that. Was so happy for Lewis just to escape that disaster. The dominance this season is a nice bonus. Lewis' entry to both teams coincided with their emergence as contenders. I don't think it's a coincidence. Button's entry has coincided with a decline each time. I don't think that's a coincidence either. PEACE.
They have problems with rear tyres, when car starts to get lighter and looks like also car set up problems. Massa suffered from heavy graining, Bottas did not report anything similar.
Sauber will have Pirelli test day today, with Mclaren and Force India taking it up tomorrow.
Merc are running some odd brake ducts at todays test.
http://forums.autosport.com/topic/192870-mercedes-amg-f1-w05-part-ii/page-28
http://forums.autosport.com/topic/192870-mercedes-amg-f1-w05-part-ii/page-28
massivekettle
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Jenson is terrible in full wet, but might just be the best driver in changeable conditions... I think that's what you meant.
Personally I think that's a bit of a myth, he got a lot of credit a few years back in Australia after changing tyres first and gaining a massive advantage from it but that was a change forced onto him by burning out his tyres before anyone else and requiring a pitstop. The press heralded it as a great, intelligent decision when in reality his only other choice was to continue tumbling down the grid.
Psychotext
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Nicktendo86
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It is a slim chance, but the car is clearly flawed and needs a new direction. The reason they have failed is the whole chain of command and way they worked was wrong under Whitmarsh, it is now being changed and the car is going to look very different in the latter part of the season.
Things change very quickly in F1, you would be foolish to write them off completely. I've been shitting on them all year and last year, but I really think they will start to sort things out soon.
Oh what a pair of twats. ffs.
Nicktendo86
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Ouch, that lotus one hurt the mist as it was Jim Clark's. Idiot should be strung up.
Urgh. I felt physically bad watching that.
Big Takeover
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Ah, my eyes! That last video - how to lose your racing license for life.
Yagami_Sama
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Is not that I am blaming him. I like his style, I just don't see that he, and many other pilots which were racing for MacLaren have this kind of skill., even Hamilton . And for some reason I see this in Alonso.
Haha. I wonder if that would please everyone still whining about the sound.
Big Takeover
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Looks like something that was lost in translation.
Bernie: "Tell that douche nozzle, Todt, to fix the exhaust sound"
Todt's secretary: "Jean, Bernie says you can fix the exhaust sound with a douche nozzle"
Bernie: "Tell that douche nozzle, Todt, to fix the exhaust sound"
Todt's secretary: "Jean, Bernie says you can fix the exhaust sound with a douche nozzle"
Nicktendo86
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That exhaust is even more comical than I imagined.
Wax Free Vanilla
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3.1 seconds faster than his qualifying time, were they running on super sticky tyres or what?
Elvin Atombender
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Chilton fastest in a Marussia?
That was something I thought I'd never see.
That was something I thought I'd never see.
Huh. What's going on here? Cleaning up air running to the diffuser under braking? Those ducts vent most at that point, and looks like they're directing that off-gassing towards the rear wing plate. Not sure where that normally vents. I can't imagine teams just let it spill out around the wheel. PEACE.
Gribkowsky second day of testimonial yesterday:
- two tries by Bernie to bribe him beforehand
- one over 10mio$, one over 80mio$
- told him he´d get the money in Singapore, as that´d be the "last safe haven" and "I know a chief of police there"
- G. thinks he did this to test the waters, read: if he´d be open to a bribe
- repeated the conversation when E. told him "I will take care of you" offering him a job in the new company
- said he did pressure E., but only in the interest of his employer BayernLB
- said he flew several times to London to drink espresso with E., and that no extortionist would do
- said E.´s weakpoint was his desire to remain the boss of F1, "I´d rather die in a puddle of gas than relinquish my F1"
Today third day of G. testimonial, first chance for E. lawyers to have a go at him
- two tries by Bernie to bribe him beforehand
- one over 10mio$, one over 80mio$
- told him he´d get the money in Singapore, as that´d be the "last safe haven" and "I know a chief of police there"
- G. thinks he did this to test the waters, read: if he´d be open to a bribe
- repeated the conversation when E. told him "I will take care of you" offering him a job in the new company
- said he did pressure E., but only in the interest of his employer BayernLB
- said he flew several times to London to drink espresso with E., and that no extortionist would do
- said E.´s weakpoint was his desire to remain the boss of F1, "I´d rather die in a puddle of gas than relinquish my F1"
Today third day of G. testimonial, first chance for E. lawyers to have a go at him
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