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[pants]

an asshole compared to whom?
None of the top runners are saints. Nico was thought to be a gentleman's driver, but he put an end to that this weekend

You realize 3/4 of this thread has called out Vettel for the stuff he did over the last 4 years right. This isn't a complaint unique to Hamilton, he just has the spotlight at the moment.

No. I acknowledge that he's a bit whiny and emotional but he has unusually large number of detractors and a large number of people are fixated on every one of his actions, always looking for a story.

This is true of everyone. Would you say Vettel has an unusually large number of detractors?

 

[Dilly]

You realize 3/4 of this thread has called out Vettel for the stuff he did over the last 4 years right. This isn't a complaint unique to Hamilton, he just has the spotlight at the moment.


This is true of everyone. Would you say Vettel has an unusually large number of detractors?

And before that Alonso, and before that Schumacher,...

Yet some people still can't handle not everyone likes their favourite driver. Get over it and enjoy his dominant season.

 

[Zeppu]

No. I acknowledge that he's a bit whiny and emotional but he has unusually large number of detractors and a large number of people are fixated on every one of his actions, always looking for a story.

Still has nothing to do with race. Vettel got constantly booed every time he made a podium appearance. People called him whiny when he complained about anything. This time round he retired almost immediately. I'm sure he complained about something in interviews yet no one seems to have even mentioned it.

Hamilton, on the other hand is like the child star who is all grown up. He's the British driver who raced for ages for McLaren, a quintessentially British team in a sport where media coverage is mostly British. Now he's found himself in Vettel's old position. Utter domination by the team in what is turning out to be a quite tedious season. Of course he is going to get some hate.

 

[Hammer24]

Who knows? It's incredibly hard to prove someone did something deliberately. Only insiders may know, and they have clearly spoken; most think ROS did this on purpose.

Also, the fact that Lewis is still as pissed today suggests he probably knows.

Sorry my friend, but that is bs. With todays telemetry you can say when a driver farted. The only "insiders" that know what is up, are the ones that have a look at the telemetry data.

I don't see how Mercedes, even with competent leaders, is going to be able to manage this situation.

Its actually rather simple. Give both the same winning car, set up rules that both have to abide to, and let them drive against each other. That's more than any other team would have offered.

McLaren has two strategists who look out for the best result for each driver and Mercedes has one, who looks out for the best possible result for the team and the driver leading is the one that gets preference. That's why the drivers at Mercedes don't get to call the pit stops.

That HAM quote is a bit misleading. Its the same rule for every team: whatever driver wins the qualifying, gets to choose his strategy first. If the other driver goes on to choose the same strategy, then he will be second to pit. As easy as that. That's why they didn´t let HAM pit yesterday (before the SC), and that's why there are bullets flying in FER hospitality right now.

 

[herod]

Okay, there's Templar Wizard, but he proved to be a total idiot by calling Rubens a Zipperhead multiple times and he got banned for it.

That doesn't make any sense, pretty sure it's just that Rubens looks like Zippy from Rainbow.

 

[Shaneus]

Stupid question: Worth downloading to watch this? I saw the first 10ish or so laps, but if there's a good battle towards the end, I'll definitely get it. Heard that Ricciardo was unlucky not to take an overly-defensive Hammy, but that's only hearsay.

Sorry my friend, but that is bs. With todays telemetry you can say when a driver farted.

I have to steal that line. Beautiful.

 

[brotkasten]

That doesn't make any sense, pretty sure it's just that Rubens looks like Zippy from Rainbow.

That's what he said, but even after the people here made him aware of the term, he still insisted on calling him that.

 

[Ark]

We haven't seen Ricciardo and Vettel going at it when they're both on their a-game. I've no doubt Ricciardo is a huge talent worthy of a WDC, but whether he's better than Vettel? That's a much bigger question.

Could Ricciardo replicate Vettel's drive in Barcelona? We won't know for some time, but to be fair to him he's only just started out. I can't wait to see what he can do when Mercedes isn't so dominant and Ferrari aren't sat on a bench.

 

[acm2000]

is there anywhwhich has an up to date table on driver penalty points?

 

[brotkasten]

That HAM quote is a bit misleading. Its the same rule for every team: whatever driver wins the qualifying, gets to choose his strategy first. If the other driver goes on to choose the same strategy, then he will be second to pit. As easy as that. That's why they didn´t let HAM pit yesterday (before the SC), and that's why there are bullets flying in FER hospitality right now.

Huh, that sounded completely different yesterday. Anyway, do you have more on that FER bit?

 

[herod]

That's what he said, but even after the people here made him aware of the term, he still insisted on calling him that.

Watering down terms by using them more appropriately in an alternative context is a good thing surely.

 

[Hammer24]

Huh, that sounded completely different yesterday. Anyway, do you have more on that FER bit?

Yeah. The same rules apply at FER that I described in my last post. RAI won quali in Spain, choose his strat, and ALO choose the same strat. So RAI was got to call the first pit. But ALO wanted to (in terms of teams rules: illegally) undercut him, called the pit saying his tyres were shot. So they let him pit, he undercut RAI and thus overtook him. When the team looked at his tyres, they were perfectly fine, so he basically lied to his team to gain an advantage.
Lauda and Zetsche were invited to the FER hospitality Friday. When they arrived, there was a shouting match going on. An embarrassed staffer quickly ushered them to the upper level, but they could still hear parts of it. RAI was very... uncool.

 

[DrM]

Chairman Niki is going on a mission

Niki Lauda says feuding Mercedes Formula 1 team-mates Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg overstepped the mark with their behaviour at the Monaco Grand Prix.

Lauda plans to talk to both drivers in the coming days to get their perspectives on the situation at Mercedes, and he is hopeful that things will be better in Canada.

 

[pants]

That's what he said, but even after the people here made him aware of the term, he still insisted on calling him that.

I have no idea what the term means. First I'm hearing of it now, I guess I must have missed this dude. Glad he is gone if he was being a butthole like this

 

[herod]

I have no idea what the term means. First I'm hearing of it now, I guess I must have missed this dude. Glad he is gone if he was being a butthole like this

It's a racist term for South East Asians. It clearly doesn't apply to Rubens, and it seems pretty dumb to me to somehow think it ever was used in this context.

 

[nature boy]

Its actually rather simple. Give both the same winning car, set up rules that both have to abide to, and let them drive against each other. That's more than any other team would have offered.

They worked out really well with Senna/Prost and Hamilton/Alonso. They will push those rules to the limit to their benefit.

Face it, if this continues at least one is going to leave at the end of the season. And Lewis' whining is not doing him any favors.
There's no professionalism when you can win the title.

 

[ConstructMe]

aussies- how are the 1 day grandstand seats at t15/16?

 

[Hammer24]

They worked out really well with Senna/Prost and Hamilton/Alonso. They will push those rules to the limit to their benefit.

Exactly. If one of them was to overstep the rules set by the team, he´ll be a goner by the end of the season, just like Brawn last year.
And thus lose the chance to drive the dominating car, and his best shot to win the WDC. Lauda will make this perfectly clear.

 

[brotkasten]

I have no idea what the term means. First I'm hearing of it now, I guess I must have missed this dude. Glad he is gone if he was being a butthole like this

He was banned for a while, but is back now.

It's a racist term for South East Asians. It clearly doesn't apply to Rubens, and it seems pretty dumb to me to somehow think it ever was used in this context.

If someone explains the context of the term to you and asks you not to use it, you don't double down on it and insist that it's okay. Using racial slurs in a different context doesn't make it acceptable. Again, I didn't say he was racist, just that he's an idiot for doubling down on it.

But we're drifting in a completely different topic here. If you want to continue the discussion, we can switch over to PMs.

 

[Shaneus]

aussies- how are the 1 day grandstand seats at t15/16?

Check AusGAF

PS.

Stupid question: Worth downloading to watch this? I saw the first 10ish or so laps, but if there's a good battle towards the end, I'll definitely get it. Heard that Ricciardo was unlucky not to take an overly-defensive Hammy, but that's only hearsay.

Anyone?

 

[Hammer24]

Anyone?

What kind of response do you honestly expect? Every single driver who ever planted his ass into a F1 seat will tell you its the most important race of the year. You´re a fan? Friggin watch it already! ;-P

 

[LeBoef]

could you guys please go back to interesting f1 comments? this thread usualy has some nice posts.

this f1 is racist talk is non sense.
and of course some f1 viewers dont like hamilton because he is black. but those idiots arent f1 specific.

 

[brotkasten]

"When you see progress in a small team every single person knows they have contributed to it, and that's what makes it so valuable to everyone involved."

The Monaco points come despite Marussia's limited budget with Lowdon revealing that just £2,000 was spent on upgrades between the Spanish and Monaco races.

"If we were to spend another couple of thousand we'd go even quicker," he told Press Association.
http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/9326471/Monaco-points-cost-Marussia-2-000

I don't like the assumption and headline of that article, because I don't think that the upgrades they brought to Monaco were significant enough to make a noticeable step (especially not on that circuit anyway), but it shows on what a budget a team like Marussia runs. £2,000 for a race-to-race upgrade seems like nothing.

 

[Hammer24]

this f1 is racist talk is non sense.
and of course some f1 viewers dont like hamilton because he is black. but those idiots arent f1 specific.

I think you misunderstood. We had one poster here, who used a racial slur towards BAR, back in the days. When it was pointed out to him, that this term was racist, he doubled down instead of stepping back, and in the end got banned.
Nothing to do with F1, and F1 GAF

 

[Psychotext]

Anyone?

Not really no. Handful of kamikaze overtakes, but it's Monaco... if it's not raining it's probably not going to be exciting.

 

[Xun]

Chairman Niki is going on a mission

Good.

It's apparent that Hamilton is incredibly sensitive as a person, which makes outbursts like this happen. He thought there was something iffy with the qualifying, and that's that.

It's a shame, but for me it doesn't take away from his quality as a driver.

 

[Zeknurn]

Check AusGAF

PS.

Anyone?

No it's not worth watching. In true Monaco sense everything worthwhile and interesting happened off-track.

 

[herod]

He was banned for a while, but is back now.



If someone explains the context of the term to you and asks you not to use it, you don't double down on it and insist that it's okay. Using racial slurs in a different context doesn't make it acceptable. Again, I didn't say he was racist, just that he's an idiot for doubling down on it.

But we're drifting in a completely different topic here. If you want to continue the discussion, we can switch over to PMs.

Just reads like silly righteous indignation justification to me.

 

[nature boy]

Not really no. Handful of kamikaze overtakes, but it's Monaco... if it's not raining it's probably not going to be exciting.

Exactly. F1 has outgrown Monaco.

 

[Hammer24]

Exactly. F1 has outgrown Monaco.

Wait, what? You would be hard pressed to find a single person in this sport to share this view. What makes you think that?

 

[Dilly]

Exactly. F1 has outgrown Monaco.

By that definition F1 has outgrown Monaco for 40 years.

 

[Razgreez]

I don't like the assumption and headline of that article, because I don't think that the upgrades they brought to Monaco were significant enough to make a noticeable step (especially not on that circuit anyway), but it shows on what a budget a team like Marussia runs. £2,000 for a race-to-race upgrade seems like nothing.

Their development budget is likely dwarfed by their logistics bill

 

[Psychotext]

Wait, what? You would be hard pressed to find a single person in this sport to share this view. What makes you think that?

I don't know what he means by outgrown, but I know plenty of people who think the Monaco race is awful. The overall spectacle is another story of course.

 

[Templar Wizard]

Just reads like silly righteous indignation justification to me.

It was and still is and I do like that some peeps still cling to it and WORSE YET! I wasnt banned for racism.

Anyways.

This Mercedes saga is turning into a PR massaged soap opera, there is a real rivalry no doubt, but its going to be unbearable over the next few weeks if this horseshit is an indication:

Headline 1: Mercedes dominance worse than RBR, rule changes may not bring Viewers back to F1
Headline 2: Senna v Prost 2, 'im the new Senna says hungry hammy'!
press goes crazy.
New Senna behaves like a Child post Monaco qual and race, headlines read: 'childhood friendship lost to cheating!'

 

[Psychotext]

Hungry Hammy. I like that.

 

[Hammer24]

... but I know plenty of people who think the Monaco race is awful.

From within the sport? Its the race with the highest media presence, no better place for drivers to show their skills, teams to find sponsors, basically the biggest flea market for money, talent and ideas the sport has, simply as everyone is so tightly crowded to anyone else. Its the one time of the year where all the drivers feel like royalty/big celebrities, strutting around like fighting cocks on the Albert gala. Ask any driver, right after winning a WDC comes a Monaco win importance wise. This is were legends are born, careers go to die, tides and lifes are changed.
And on top for this year, you have the new cars, that don´t go around the corners like on rails as in the last years. Two full hours of the highest concentration, two hours in qualy mode. Said HUL: "I said this race would be brutal. But it was monstrous!"
This is the race every driver and team looks forward to the most. This is the race they will look back to for a very long time. Just ask Marussia: the points from yesterday are worth tenfold, as they came here. Much better exposure to sponsors, this could basically feed mouths for years to come.

 

[nature boy]

Wait, what? You would be hard pressed to find a single person in this sport to share this view. What makes you think that?

By outgrown I mean cars aren't really pushed in terms of aerodynamics or engine, like other traditional circuits like Silverstone or Monza. It's all about not hitting barriers.

And the races are boring as fuck. This year was no exception, outside of Sutil.

By that definition F1 has outgrown Monaco for 40 years.

Yes it has, IMO it's seriously overrated. It's all about glamour and riches and has little to do with racing.

Right now I prefer the Singapore to Monaco.

 

[RukusProvider]

By outgrown I mean cars aren't really pushed in terms of aerodynamics or engine, like other traditional circuits like Silverstone or Monza. It's all about not hitting barriers.

And the races are boring as fuck. This year was no exception, outside of Sutil.



Yes it has, IMO it's seriously overrated. It's all about glamour and riches and has little to do with racing.

Right now I prefer the Singapore to Monaco.

As a driver there is something about the challenge of certain circuits and what it does for you as a driver.

I'm lucky to live close to 4 race tracks. Out of the 4, Sonoma raceway is by far my favorite (Sears point). It's the slowest by far. Neither my car or my ex race bikes could be fully stretched out and it's brutal to those who make a mistake.

Yet talk to any racer or trackday enthusiast running at a competitive pace and they will quickly tell you not that only is it the best but the most satisfying to go fast on.

Some tracks just have a character to them that you only learn when you drive. Perhaps Monaco is one of those.

 

[Hammer24]

By outgrown I mean cars aren't really pushed in terms of aerodynamics or engine, like other traditional circuits like Silverstone or Monza. It's all about not hitting barriers.

Come on, that's factually wrong. This years cars had wheel spin up to fifth gear. Open wheel cars. Wheel spin. On a city track. Up to fifth gear.

And the races are boring as fuck. This year was no exception, outside of Sutil.

I really do not want to be condescending, so sorry in advance: but this is Formula 1 and not NASCAR. This is a prototype formula, where the technical aspects of the racing are at least as important as the action on track. And the cars are open wheel for that reason - to unencourage the exchange of livery.

 

[Psychotext]

Apologies, I didn't read "in this sport" to mean people that work in / around F1. I was talking from a fan perspective.

 

[Hammer24]

Apologies, I didn't read "in this sport" to mean people that work in / around F1. I was talking from a fan perspective.

No apology necessary!
But as much as I understand how it sucks for fans when their team/driver of choice is not winning, I still don´t get it. Isn´t Monaco one of the races that is:
- one of the earliest to be fully booked trackside, even with the asinine admission costs?
- has one of the highest TV ratings of the year?

I´m probably my usual bad at explaining, but my point is: when everyone involved absolutely loves this race, then there can´t be something fundamentally wrong with it?

 

[Zeppu]

And the cars are open wheel for that reason - to unencourage the exchange of livery.

Not that I disagree with you, but could you elaborate on this? How does having open wheel cars discourage livery change? Or am I completely misunderstanding?

 

[pants]

Not that I disagree with you, but could you elaborate on this? How does having open wheel cars discourage livery change? Or am I completely misunderstanding?

He means its open wheel to discourage argy bargy

 

[Mastah]

Ferrari massaging Fred's ego once again:

Scuderia FerrariVerified account ‏@InsideFerrari

@alo_oficial Da Monaco a Maranello. Il #Maestro viene casa. From Monaco to Maranello. The #Maestro comes home.

 

[Hammer24]

Not that I disagree with you, but could you elaborate on this? How does having open wheel cars discourage livery change? Or am I completely misunderstanding?

Sorry, my English. Its to keep drivers from bumping into each other, thus "exchanging livery/varnish"

 

[nature boy]

As a driver there is something about the challenge of certain circuits and what it does for you as a driver.

I'm lucky to live close to 4 race tracks. Out of the 4, Sonoma raceway is by far my favorite (Sears point). It's the slowest by far. Neither my car or my ex race bikes could be fully stretched out and it's brutal to those who make a mistake.

Yet talk to any racer or trackday enthusiast running at a competitive pace and they will quickly tell you not that only is it the best but the most satisfying to go fast on.

Some tracks just have a character to them that you only learn when you drive. Perhaps Monaco is one of those.

Personally I doubt it.
I think it has more to do with the glamour than with actual racing.
Oh there's yachts, there's a casino, there's a prince and princess. Oh my!
Even the FIA admits as such.

Come on, that's factually wrong. This years cars had wheel spin up to fifth gear. Open wheel cars. Wheel spin. On a city track. Up to fifth gear.

Just as every other street circuit who arguably gives up better races for other reasons.

I really do not want to be condescending, so sorry in advance: but this is Formula 1 and not NASCAR. This is a prototype formula, where the technical aspects of the racing are at least as important as the action on track. And the cars are open wheel for that reason - to unencourage the exchange of livery.

I was talking about the Monaco GP being always boring, not F1 in general .

I watch F1 for places like sector 1 in Suzuka, Copse, Maggotts and Becketts at Silverstone or for places like Spa and the Nurburgring, where REAL racing and history is made.
Monaco?

 

[Zeppu]

Sorry, my English. Its to keep drivers from bumping into each other, thus "exchanging livery/varnish"

Ah! Got it! Yep. Open wheel racing allows for closer action while keeping the car pretty much intact.

 

[Cheesewheel]

Stupid question: Worth downloading to watch this? I saw the first 10ish or so laps, but if there's a good battle towards the end, I'll definitely get it. Heard that Ricciardo was unlucky not to take an overly-defensive Hammy, but that's only hearsay.

Ricciardo wouldn't have been able to overtake Hamilton at the end of the race. The Red Bull would catch the Merc in the corners, but the acceleration and straight line speed of the Merc always let Hamilton pull out a small gap. Ric needed a lockup to happen for any chance at overtaking.

 

[Hammer24]

I watch F1 for places like sector 1 in Suzuka, Copse, Maggotts and Becketts at Silverstone or for places like Spa and the Nurburgring, where REAL racing and history is made.
Monaco?

Then why are names like Mirabeau and Rascasse at least as famous as Eau Rouge or Beckets? Why does basically every single driver diasagree?
I don´t want to change your personal preferences (which I absolutely accept), but you gotta admit they aren´t exactly inline with what the people in this sport themselves would say.

 

[Draconian]

I watch F1 for places like sector 1 in Suzuka, Copse, Maggotts and Becketts at Silverstone or for places like Spa and the Nurburgring, where REAL racing and history is made.
Monaco?

The circuit itself is a challenging one with lots of famous corners but it's just too narrow for much exciting on track action to happen. Yes, there is a lot of spectacle too, which makes the race feel special. I don't go into it thinking it will be that exciting, because I know better by now.

I look forward to Silverstone, Spa, Monza, and Suzuka the most because I think those circuits lend themselves to great races as well as having some degree of history at them too.