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The Formula 1 2014 Season |OT| Who Will Win? Nobody Nose
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Sauber? You mean Force India?
Vettel must have unlocked some achievement there.
BBC F1 forum are pretty unanimous that it was Massa's fault.
Agreed. if Hamilton was going for a move when he did, I'd have the opposite view, but that was fine.
Agreed. if Hamilton was going for a move when he did, I'd have the opposite view, but that was fine.
He and Shaneus must be making it rain somewhere!
Norwegian Rudo
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You have to use the ICE more to achieve those speeds too if you don't have the 160hp of the ERS.
Yagami_Sama
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Yes, Button would be in the podium.
RomanticHeroX
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With all concerned faces on the pitwall I think that something really strange happened.
freakzilla149
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This has to be the most positive and satisfying podium interview to watch all season. Hamilton's bitterness in the last couple of races was really souring the victories. Funny how after his retirement, everyone is now all smiles!
Come on. That's bullshit. It was one race. He won everything else, there was no need for bitterness and there was none.
Was this the first F1 race from TV director? Cutting to unimportant scenes, missing a lot of action...
Nico for Autosport:
"When you lose ERS it doesn't harvest anymore, then any braking is done by rear braking, so that is why the rear brakes overheated," said Rosberg.
"That made it massively difficult: I needed to cool the brakes and lost speed on the straights.
Nico for Autosport:
"When you lose ERS it doesn't harvest anymore, then any braking is done by rear braking, so that is why the rear brakes overheated," said Rosberg.
"That made it massively difficult: I needed to cool the brakes and lost speed on the straights.
theignoramus
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the hell are you on about here. the stewards took a Grand Prix victory away from Lewis for cutting a chicane and "gaining an advantage" over Kimi Raikkonen at Spa in 2008. Get out of here with that nonsense.
nature boy
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27G impact for Massa?
FUUUUUCK.
FUUUUUCK.
^ Well I guess I'm closer than I thought...
Almost seems like it would be a software issue that links the two, but it also be quite some significant coincidence.
I was thinking this race that FOM should do picture-in-picture when they cut to replay, the replays are so long sometimes that it always feels like you're gonna miss something.
Almost seems like it would be a software issue that links the two, but it also be quite some significant coincidence.
DrM said:
I was thinking this race that FOM should do picture-in-picture when they cut to replay, the replays are so long sometimes that it always feels like you're gonna miss something.
Most drivers don't keep their foot in and gain a second when cutting a chicane. They need to put some foam or bumps there to stop that bullshit in future years.
LicenceToK1ll
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theignoramus
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wrong. dead wrong.
Yeah, that's brutal. Those barriers took most of it thankfully.
He's becoming my #1 driver this season, I wish Mercedes had a weaker car so we could see a 3 or 4 way battle.
Wax Free Vanilla
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No they weren't. DC said he moved across (he did) and EJ said it was Massa's fault.
The crash was 100% Perez's fault.
https://vine.co/v/MD0BgJYVeam
How many accidents has he caused in his F1 career? It's about time some action was taken. He's lucky his stupid actions didn't do some serious damage to the other two drivers near him, if Massa had ploughed into the cockpit area of the Red Bull it would have been horrific.
He was in "neutral media mode" : "bad luck, will come back stronger; Nico 0 DNF, Lewis 2... eh"
ok. give me an example and i might agree
theignoramus
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Spa 2008. Hamilton actually gave the place back to Kimi after cutting the bus stop chicane, then overtook him again before Eau Rouge. But he was still handed down a 25 second penalty and stripped of his victory with the logic that he never would have been in a position to overtake had he not cut the chicane.
Hamilton gave the place back, but still gained an advantage as he had the slipstream. therefore he retook the position before the first corner. if he had not cut the chicane, he wouldnt have overtaken kimi in that position.
Anyway, its not a comparable example. Kimi had won the final corner. lewis had not won the corner. if lewis wasnt behind nico, there is no way nico would have got a penalty. its only because lewis was behind him that we are even talking about this. the decision was the correct one
theignoramus
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youre splitting hairs and talking rubbish and you know it. In both instances a driver gained an advantage and a chunk of time cutting a chicane, with one driver defending a position by doing it and the other gaining one. Thats the only difference here, both cases involve a driver veering off track and gaining an advantage.
Though at least in Lewis' case, you could argue Raikkonen closed the door on him and forced him off the track, Nico simply buckled under pressure from a pursuing car.
Since it is hard to focus on both cars at once, watch one car at a time. If you focus on Massa it looks like he turns into Perez. If you focus on Perez, it looks like he turns into Massa. It is possible they both turned into each other.
Perez gets five place grid penalty for causing crash with Massa.
https://twitter.com/F1onNBCSports/status/475758655212896259
https://twitter.com/F1onNBCSports/status/475758655212896259
Wax Free Vanilla
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David Croft @CroftyF1
Five place grid penalty for Sergio Perez in Austria for causing the accident at the end of today's race with Felipe Massa, just announced.
Five place grid penalty for Sergio Perez in Austria for causing the accident at the end of today's race with Felipe Massa, just announced.
Gareth Bale
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Hamilton didn't accelerate off track either. But tbh it's hard to compare the incidents with respect to the rules when one involves an overtake and the other doesn't.
Your also missing the significant difference. unlike the 2008 incident, they werent side by side. nico did not defend the position by going off track. if he stayed on track, he would have maintained his position.
And why would I be wasting my life talking to you if i thought i was talking rubbish lol
As soon as it happened I thought it was caused by the ERS failing and them having to lean on the brakes more and I remembered hearing that the rears were much smaller than they used to be because of the ERS doing so much of the leg work this season.
They save some weight being that much smaller and obviously less rotating mass is also important for the engine, but if they'd had normal disks on the rear Hamilton would likely have finished the race, instead it's another DNF
Dutch Gronk
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theignoramus
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he took himself out of the second DRS zone by cutting that chicane
He said in the BBC interview that he saw Massa in the rearview mirror and took evasive action.
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