No upgrades until Europe is ridiculous but understandable when you invest 20 % of your overall budget in the salaries of two drivers. They have a similar budget as Red Bull but Vettel actually said "I have enough to have a good life, spend the rest on the car". That's why Ferrari won't be a WC as long as Alonso is around, they need to fix their ressource management.
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The Formula 1 2014 Season |OT| Who Will Win? Nobody Nose
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No upgrades until Europe is ridiculous but understandable when you invest 20 % of your overall budget in the salaries of two drivers. They have a similar budget as Red Bull but Vettel actually said "I have enough to have a good life, spend the rest on the car". That's why Ferrari won't be a WC as long as Alonso is around, they need to fix their ressource management.
Dutch Gronk
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No upgrades till Spain...Solid decision, might as well shift focus on next years car already! Maybe then we van quality on the first row for once again.
Stefano is a baboon, but LdM is an as big a problem as well at the moment, trying to get too involved. Can't expect a team to function properly when the 2 guys at the top are fools.
I think they thought about major upgrades, because they had some new stuff in Malaysia, but more on PU side of things. RBR is also planning huge upgrade package for Barcelona.
Mercedes will try to ship new pieces to Bahrain, otherwise they will have first big part upgrade in China.
LicenceToK1ll
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So yeah... that's that...
He must have fell quite hard on it to damage it because unless he weighs way more than 100kgs it should be possible to lean on it as it supports several hundreds of kgs downforce on the straights without breaking .
I think it's been posted to show that there was a guy in the pits without any safety equipment, which Red Bull are currently under investigation for.
Nicktendo86
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Yeah that is a slam dunk, what a stupid thing to do.
Psychotext
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Panic stations at that point. Doesn't really surprise me.
Nicktendo86
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Yeah he has deffo got Webber's garage/car hadn't he...
From reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/21tvzs/williams_have_officially_suspended_felipe_massa/
On the same subject, here is some of the team radio on the final laps for Williams. Valterri seems to hold is cool for the most part, and it seems like they called him off it to keep engine temps reasonable after Massa wasn't having any of it. Going to be interesting to see what the fallout of this is in Bahrain...hopefully it'll push both of them further up the grid.
Interesting stuff.
http://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/21tvzs/williams_have_officially_suspended_felipe_massa/
It got me.
On the same subject, here is some of the team radio on the final laps for Williams. Valterri seems to hold is cool for the most part, and it seems like they called him off it to keep engine temps reasonable after Massa wasn't having any of it. Going to be interesting to see what the fallout of this is in Bahrain...hopefully it'll push both of them further up the grid.
Interesting stuff.
So basically this kills the "If Bottas was faster, he would've been able to pass Massa" theory?
Psychotext
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Yes... engine temps. I imagine Massa's engine was running white hot at that point. Full on meltdown I'd say.
Massa comes out very badly out of this. He didn't do anything wrong at the end if he didn't complained about Bottas and asked the team to tell him to back off his rear in the first part of the race.
You can't ask the team for team orders on lap 20 and then don't respect the team orders on lap 50.
Instead of coming out of this like a hero for refusing to accept team orders, he comes out as a complete hypocrite.
You can't ask the team for team orders on lap 20 and then don't respect the team orders on lap 50.
Instead of coming out of this like a hero for refusing to accept team orders, he comes out as a complete hypocrite.
If it wasn't for Alonso, they wouldn't have been in a position to win anything.
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Was he actually asking for team orders at the start? I took his message to mean Bottas had actually hit him when trying to overtake and he was just asking them to cool him down. It was Williams that decided to tell Bottas to hold station until after they were past Magnussen.
That's team orders. Tell him to stop trying to overtake/stop being so aggressive.
Telling him not to overtake or not be so aggressive are two different things though I wouldn't consider him asking that to be a team order rather common sense.
Psychotext
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We'll know for sure when we get the full transcript of the team radio. F1Fanatic usually post it a couple of days after the race.
I should clarify, I'm not criticising Alonso here. My point was that a Stefano-led Ferrari has won a Constructors' Championship and very, very nearly a Drivers' title too.
I don't think that's everything, just everything that the FIA let out. I say that since for 60 odd laps and that many cars there isn't all that much talk and it's only usually the top drivers. No way every driver isn't talking to his engineer on the parade lap, yet we only see a few mentions of it in those transcripts.
Psychotext
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That makes sense I guess. I always assumed it was taken directly.
Psychotext
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Constructors was in his very first year in the job. You have to wonder if it didn't have a little to do with Jean Todt's work in his previous role.
So yeah... that's that...
The guy is also holding the car with only one hand... was he drunk?
Before the team orders were called Bottas was told to overtake Massa and he never even attacked him.
Well, no he wasn't. He would've made the same complaint if any other car touched him.
Also someone did the math with the lap times and there was absolutely no way Bottas would catch and overtake Button by the end of the race. I don't know what the heck Williams were thinking.
Psychotext
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That doesn't really tell us anything without knowing the gaps.
Sounds like a carbon copy of Multi-21 last year. Down to the requesting for team orders/disobeying team orders. Of course, I didn't see it live, so maybe it's not at all similar.
Wasn't like that at all really, even if your view of the Magnussen-Massa-Bottas thing at the beginning of the race was a request for team orders (which I don't think it was). In fact it seems like most journalists seem to be on Massa's side here and criticizing Williams, just like they sided with Webber in the Multi-21 incident.
I'm not sure how that's similar. In that scenario, Webber was following team orders. In this scenario, Massa is the one not following them (though I guess it can be debated). To be honest, this wouldn't that big of a deal if it wasn't for Massa's history at Ferrari. The "How could you do this to Felipe?" question asked to Claire Williams after the race is pretty clear proof of that.
My point is that it wasn't similar to the Multi-21 scenario at all. Vettel disobeyed orders to gain a position over Webber with an unfair advantage, as Webber lowered power to bring the car home when he got jumped. Massa did it under completely different circumstances.
Dutch Gronk
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Twitter said:
#FireStefano
lol!
Oh you wrote that yesterday.. I thought it was meant as an April's foolsday joke.
Myoclonic Jerk
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After the puncture Kimi suspects that there was a floor damage, as the handling of the car was different. The strategy was to put him on the options so he can "storm back through the field" but it didn't work, so they opted to play it safe and go with the harder compound throughout the the race and try to make up positions by staying longer.
Towards the end he wasn't able to pass Gros because his tyres were really worn by then. It was a disaster of a race for Kimi, but the good thing is that he's liking the car more as proven on Friday and I bet he'll be quick in Bahrain
Kimi wasn't there to harvest that potential
Yes, they're working to solve his issues and he's communicating better with the team. No more "get in, drive, and fuck off" approach from him either.
Alonso just said that there will be no magical change will happen in Bahrain. I'm ready to bet that Kimi will prove him wrong in few days
Dutch Gronk
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I wish I had your optimism.
I hold Stefano solely responsible for the death of my hopes and dreams.
I hold Stefano solely responsible for the death of my hopes and dreams.
Myoclonic Jerk
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I'm not saying they will win. And btw I've been calling for Stefano's head since Kimi's firing at 2009.. So I agree that he's the one responsible
There was no unfair advantage. It has been confirmed several times that both were using full power during the battle.
Psychotext
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Team radio messages from Massa / Bottas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngWhFrQdIYA
I assume that's everything.
I assume that's everything.
zomgbbqftw
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Massa is a dick. Fuck whatever has happened in the past with the phrase or whatever, he is an employee if Williams and should respect the team's instructions. If the team thought Bottas could have overtaken Button then Massa should have given way. Not to do so was disrespectful to the team's management. Also, it's clear enough that Bottas was faster than Massa, he recovered his stop go penalty quickly and it was clear Massa wasn't getting past Button. If only that April fool were true...
Psychotext
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He was in DRS for at least two laps. He just ended up bouncing off the limiter.
The F1F transcripts are only the stuff that's broadcast on FOM's pit lane channel that you can get as an alternative stream from certain providers like Sky F1, Sky Deutschland and BBC (but only during their live weekends)
and I should know, I'm the guy who does the transcripts after all!
There is of course loads of stuff being said over the radio to all the drivers during the race, but most of it isn't all that important or exciting. FOM have guys listening out for juicy stuff to broadcast and they just use more of it on the pit lane channel rather than the primary world feed.
Nicktendo86
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Agree 100%, he needs to grow up. He was not getting past Button, let Bottas have a go. I think he was on fresher tyres as well?
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