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The Formula 1 2014 Season |OT2| Louder Than Formula E
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Diablo Rosso
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Big Takeover
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I wasn't speaking about Magny-Cours specifically. Just historically speaking.
Magny-Cours indeed put on some dreadfully boring races when it wasn't raining, but I actually kind of liked it from a spectacle point of view. Mega fast first ess, incredible turn-in on the other two.
Absolutely nowhere to pass outside of the back straight. I mean nowhere.
Similar situation to Imola as Juicy said.
DRS would have been a life saver. At Magny-Cours in particular.
It's owned by Bernie. I think he bought it with the intention of leasing it out to a promoter, but I'm not sure what happened. I think he was hoping the government would pay for the race.
Psychotext
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Psychotext
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Wow if this is legit:
Isn't he super close with Wolf? Then again, with Hamilton likely extending his contract, it could be a while before he could go to Mercedes.
nature boy
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Well Sport Bild are reporting it on their website. It's LOL worthy, but nothing that surprises me.
Joe Saward on the problems F1 and FIA might face from the EU commission:
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2014/11/26/oh-what-a-twisted-web/
Big Takeover
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brotkasten
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So the car and engine for 2015 are going to be amazeballs and not only challenge the Mercedes, but also easily dominate the rest of the field?
Awesome.
Myoclonic Jerk
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LOL..
Kinda been in that situation myself. The guy who hired me got fired with few members of his team a week or so before me joining! lol .. shitty shitty feeling
sounds like the wasp I expected it to be. nice.
haha
goddamn it ferrari you are so fucked. get your fucking shit together.
JadedWriter
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RukusProvider
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Sebb should just collect his fat check and have a good time. That team is so fucked.
Great point about Magny-Cours and DRS I'm curious to know how it would've faired given the length if the straights. It might have made it serviceable instead of being the dedicated circuit version of Valencia. PEACE.
Well, should be better in 2015 with Grosjean in Mercedes powered car. And then there will be also Pastor in Mercedes powered car....
Holy shit, that is amazing!
How long must they have had the domain and hosting for? Must be one of the longest a site's been on the web and not been touched.
Edit: Maybe not, looks like that domain name (at least, the current iteration of it) was registered in 2006.
brotkasten
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Okay, I take that as a no. Too bad.
Can you spill some beans around the current state of Ferrari and what is going on there right now? And how their project is going?
Can you spill some beans around the current state of Ferrari and what is going on there right now? And how their project is going?
FER has been in constant disarray now for several months. LdM is now at Alitalia, Matiacci is crying in a toilet stall somewhere wishing he´d never left the good ol´ US of A.
Fiat has no idea how to run that shop, and whom to put in charge. Everyone is looking busy, keeping their heads down, to save their jobs.
Right now one can´t shake the feeling that its a ship without a captain, first mate (or anyone in charge whatsoever), that lost its rudder a couple months ago, and there is no one to tell this fact - the sailors fear to walk the plank and find this worse than the drifting behemoth.
I do have the feeling, they hope for VET being some kind of savior, that takes command in a way MSC did back in the days. Who tells them how to develop the car and in what direction.
Enginewise FER should be fine - if they come to a solution to split their turbo merc-like. But that's just the combustion engine, everything electric is a total dog. If they can´t get the temps down (see turbo split), they´ll have to design a new one from scratch.
Merc is now @ ~ 160-180hp, the others are lucky to get ~150hp once in a while.
So for 2015 I´d say their better off than MCL. At least they already know what's not working.
Fiat has no idea how to run that shop, and whom to put in charge. Everyone is looking busy, keeping their heads down, to save their jobs.
Right now one can´t shake the feeling that its a ship without a captain, first mate (or anyone in charge whatsoever), that lost its rudder a couple months ago, and there is no one to tell this fact - the sailors fear to walk the plank and find this worse than the drifting behemoth.
I do have the feeling, they hope for VET being some kind of savior, that takes command in a way MSC did back in the days. Who tells them how to develop the car and in what direction.
Enginewise FER should be fine - if they come to a solution to split their turbo merc-like. But that's just the combustion engine, everything electric is a total dog. If they can´t get the temps down (see turbo split), they´ll have to design a new one from scratch.
Merc is now @ ~ 160-180hp, the others are lucky to get ~150hp once in a while.
So for 2015 I´d say their better off than MCL. At least they already know what's not working.
ConstructMe
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Why did they shaft mattiaci? Why not send him back to ferrari usa?
Also was ldm ousted or looking to move on no matter what.
Also was ldm ousted or looking to move on no matter what.
M didn´t want the job, but you don´t say no to the Fiat bosses. If he had, he´d been replaced rather quickly. From the Fiat perspective, he´d been a stopgap solution anyway. But there are not many Italian talents of the caliber to lead such a team.
Going outside (read: foreign) is always the last step they´d take, thus they asked for Brawn as he is at least a known quantity.
LdM moved on his own, when it became clear he was going to get ousted anyway. He didn´t want to wait for that, as it would have tarnished his rep.
Going outside (read: foreign) is always the last step they´d take, thus they asked for Brawn as he is at least a known quantity.
LdM moved on his own, when it became clear he was going to get ousted anyway. He didn´t want to wait for that, as it would have tarnished his rep.
ConstructMe
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Sometimes i shake my head at how f1, basically high end boys with toys, gets so insanely political.
I feel for mattiaci i like him and i think hes been screwed over most of all.
I feel for mattiaci i like him and i think hes been screwed over most of all.
ConstructMe
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If it werent for vettel id find it hard to keep supporting ferrari now ldm is gone i think he was a vital part of the character they had built up (not just in the f1 side).
nature boy
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There are two reasons for the current state of Ferrari:
- Their dismal 2014 campaign;
- Marchionne's vision for Ferrari, splitting Ferrari from FCA and floating 10% of the company, which LdM disagreed, and LdM left for better pastures after being the present-day Enzo Ferrari (regardless of its F1 team, Ferrari is a very successful company compared to where it was when Enzo Ferrari died) for more than 20 years. Not having the buffer that FIAT provided and a strong character like Luca (who was at a point, before the young Elkann was ready, Chairman of FIAT, so he was a strong buffer against any interference) and a non-present chairman (Marchionne has more things to do than deal with F1) will only make Ferrari a more political place with more shareholders.
- Their dismal 2014 campaign;
- Marchionne's vision for Ferrari, splitting Ferrari from FCA and floating 10% of the company, which LdM disagreed, and LdM left for better pastures after being the present-day Enzo Ferrari (regardless of its F1 team, Ferrari is a very successful company compared to where it was when Enzo Ferrari died) for more than 20 years. Not having the buffer that FIAT provided and a strong character like Luca (who was at a point, before the young Elkann was ready, Chairman of FIAT, so he was a strong buffer against any interference) and a non-present chairman (Marchionne has more things to do than deal with F1) will only make Ferrari a more political place with more shareholders.
Myoclonic Jerk
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The truth is Kimi is the real boss. he came in, fired everyone, will collect another fat cheque next year and leave.
Payback is a bitch
Payback is a bitch
Video about the noses for the next year: http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2014/0/1246.html
Kimi still hasn't even realized Stefano isn't there anymore.
Wax Free Vanilla
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Button's performance this year has no bearing on whether McLaren will keep him - lol, they're a bigger joke than Ferrari. Too bad Honda are lumbered with them for the next 10 years 
Nicktendo86
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Well might be the other way round and too bad McLaren are lumbered with the Honda seeing how testing went.Button's performance this year has no bearing on whether McLaren will keep him - lol, they're a bigger joke than Ferrari. Too bad Honda are lumbered with them for the next 10 years
brotkasten
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Even if they still had Aldo Costa, I don't think that Ferrari could give him the right work environment. It seems pretty toxic there.
Everyone knows that the problem is not one person. It is the entire development process especially after they lost the huge advantage of being able to use Fiorano as their test for new pieces. Make new piece in the morning in Maranello, test it on the track in the afternoon. Everyone knows that now Ferrari can't be fixed as easily as it was during Schummy early years because they can't test 250 days per year like they used to.
The perfect example of the true Ferrari problems is that during the V6 early development Tombazis asked Luca Marmorini to make a smaller PU with less power because it would be compensated with aerodynamics gains due to the smaller PU size. Basically Tombazis, the aero team leader, asked Marmorini to fuck up the only thing you can't remake because of the engine freeze just so he could get better aero efficiency.
Where was the supervision here? Of course the aerodynamics leader wants better aerodynamics but in a normal developmental process there is a project leader that decides the best for the entire car and especially minimizes risk for the long haul. And anyone knowing that there is a engine freeze period in place, knew you couldn't take huge risks with engine development. Ferrari decided they could compromise the engine for aero and the decision was taken by Tombazis not Domenicali. That to me tells a lot why Ferrari is completely fucked.
Psychotext
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Just booked my tickets for Hungary (gold 4, which should hopefully see some action thanks to DRS). Might try and do Monza again next year as my friend hasn't been there and Bernie has been running off at the mouth about replacing it.
Though I might not, given how shitty Ferrari are likely to be doing.
Though I might not, given how shitty Ferrari are likely to be doing.
brotkasten
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They switched from Lotus to Williams? Good move on their part, but Lotus losing more money can't be great.
Of course it's not just one person. Even Alonso said that.
I know the story about the engine, but I'm wondering why Marmoni didn't stand up and took the fight to a higher level. I mean, if he did then it's entirely on the management. When they fired Marmoni, he also said that he just did what he was told, which sounds like a bad excuse. But the thought that after so many years of aero problems, Ferrari could magically come up with a mind blowing aero concept that is good enough to compensate for a weaker engine… that's just ridiculous.
Of course it's not just one person. Even Alonso said that.
I know the story about the engine, but I'm wondering why Marmoni didn't stand up and took the fight to a higher level. I mean, if he did then it's entirely on the management. When they fired Marmoni, he also said that he just did what he was told, which sounds like a bad excuse. But the thought that after so many years of aero problems, Ferrari could magically come up with a mind blowing aero concept that is good enough to compensate for a weaker engine… that's just ridiculous.
brotkasten
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Sorry, double post.
Wax Free Vanilla
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Must be why McLaren haven't announced Alonso yet, he must have signed a Porsche contract before they came sniffing and they don't want him to honour it, so behind the scene tussling by all parties, but in the end the blackmailer will come out on top.