Elvin Atombender
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Drivers who do well in lower formula-series but don't have the money to compete higher up but get a chance in something like DTM won't have a chance at F1 then?
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The Formula 1 2014 Season |OT2| Louder Than Formula E
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theignoramus
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"To get the best from Kimi you need to give him the car"
Not exactly a notch on his belt. In his Mclaren days he was thought to be at or near the level of Schumacher and Alonso. We know now that that was emphatically not the case and that the car flattered the driver, not the other way around, like we saw constantly with Alonso and Schumi at Ferrari.
Adam Scott Aukerman
Member
Well if they don't have the money to compete in GP2, they're hardly likely to end up having the money to compete in F1 anyway.
Elvin Atombender
Member
A lot of promising drivers in F3 end up in DTM including people like Juncadella and Merhi. Paul di Resta spent four years in DTM after winning the European F3-title and even won the DTM-championship. With these new rules he wouldn't have been able to move to F1.
Mastah
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Adam Scott Aukerman
Member
If these rules in place back then, if Paul's ultimate goal was F1 he likely would have chosen his drives differently. It's a silly comparison.
nature boy
Member
Yikes the debt Marussia built up is shocking.
Nicktendo86
Member
Shamelessly stolen from the autosport forums, rumours about the mp4-30
The nose will not be like the RB10, instead it will be closer in shape to the 2009 Brawn.
Particular attention has been paid to the area around the turning vanes and front brake ducts in an effort to reduce turbulence and improve the quality of airflow to the rear of the car.
The central and rear area of the car will be the most interesting. The sidepods will be tall in the center section and very tight towards the rear.
The extreme compactness of the rear is possible because of the positioning of components of the Honda engine.
Here is a direct Google translation of a section of the article with regards to the exhaust layout:
"The exhaust manifold 3 , the output from the cylinders , are joined in the manifold that is directed toward the turbine set well back and is attached to the cylinder block."
It also says Prodromou is still studying the concept of exhaust blowing even though the FIA rules prevent it.
Prodromou and his staff are still looking at interesting ways of exploiting exhaust gas and hot air from the radiators to create downforce at the rear of the car. This is why last years butterfly suspension will not be used.
The car will initially use the new Red Bull inspired front wing seen in practice at Abu Dhabi.
The nose will not be like the RB10, instead it will be closer in shape to the 2009 Brawn.
Particular attention has been paid to the area around the turning vanes and front brake ducts in an effort to reduce turbulence and improve the quality of airflow to the rear of the car.
The central and rear area of the car will be the most interesting. The sidepods will be tall in the center section and very tight towards the rear.
The extreme compactness of the rear is possible because of the positioning of components of the Honda engine.
Here is a direct Google translation of a section of the article with regards to the exhaust layout:
"The exhaust manifold 3 , the output from the cylinders , are joined in the manifold that is directed toward the turbine set well back and is attached to the cylinder block."
It also says Prodromou is still studying the concept of exhaust blowing even though the FIA rules prevent it.
Prodromou and his staff are still looking at interesting ways of exploiting exhaust gas and hot air from the radiators to create downforce at the rear of the car. This is why last years butterfly suspension will not be used.
The car will initially use the new Red Bull inspired front wing seen in practice at Abu Dhabi.
Mohonky
Member
Well hopefully this pushes out the concept of pay drivers some.
But then some of the smaller teams need them to stay afloat.
Pay drivers will always be an issue (though dont forget Niki Lauda and other champions forced their way in this way too) but yeh no real easy solution right now.
Well, not really. If drivers would have been forced to go through different formulae just to be allowed into F1 is that not a legitimate point against the regulations?
king picollo
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Looking at the schedule is slightly depressing, no races till well into March 
Psychotext
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Wow, I'm surprised the BBC chose not to show Monaco. They usually make a huge thing of it.
Adam Scott Aukerman
Member
I'm not really sure why you consider that to be automatically detrimental, to be honest.
Mastah
Member
It will be 3rd year in a row they are showing Monaco as highlights.
Psychotext
Member
Shows how much attention I pay to the race, clearly!
(I can't stand Monaco, as a race at least)
(I can't stand Monaco, as a race at least)
I don't see why excluding drivers based on the fact they choose to do DTM (or Indycar, or FR3.5) rather than GP2 is a benefit to the sport. If anything these regs are going to make it harder to get in via GP2 and the other FIA-sanctioned series because those seats will be a higher premium and the sport is dominated by pay-drivers as it is.
I don't know, I think superlicenses needed fixing but I don't think this was the solution, it's undervaluing series like FR3.5 for no real reason, and the fact that perfectly capable drivers would have been forced to take "the FIA route" or face exclusion just seems off to me.
We need a wet Monaco.
Speaking of wet racing, lets watch some vintage Jos Verstappen that popped up in my YouTube suggestions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njAqOXdgT5I
nature boy
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Two new teams developing 2016 F1 cars
No, they're not entering the F1 championship. Just a cheap(er) way to get a super license.
No, they're not entering the F1 championship. Just a cheap(er) way to get a super license.
Elvin Atombender
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You might end up with more pay-drivers since people will have to start paying earlier when series that give out more superlicence points will be more attractive.
F1-teams that have young drivers in a series like F3 or GP3 might not even want to move them to a better series anymore. It's better to let them stay in a lower series and get "easy" points instead of risking it in something like GP2 where they might end up with less points.
Why should a young, talented formula-driver that doesn't have enough money be punished for driving a few years in a series that (as far as I know) pay the drivers?
Diablo Rosso
Member
These new super licence rules also mean that no one is ever going to do what John Surtees did and win both MotoGP and F1. Not that it would happen again anyway but now we'll never know.
I'm ok with that. I'm sure its great to go to but the race is usually a bore fest on TV.
Adam Scott Aukerman
Member
Again, if a driver is struggling that much to get funding, the chances of them ever making it into F1 are slim-to-none anyway. No amount of super license-tweaking is really going to change that unfortunately, and keep in mind that any changes to the super license regulations will end up excluding someone.
It seems to me that the main aim of the new rules is to narrow the focus of, and thereby increase the competitiveness of, the feeder series. That should also benefit F1 in the long run.
JadedWriter
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The best part of Monaco is the qualifying.
Agreed.
Some beautiful concept liveries made by fans:
http://wtf1.co.uk/f1-2015-concept-liveries/
http://wtf1.co.uk/more-2015-concept-liveries/
http://wtf1.co.uk/fan-gives-teams-a-new-look-in-these-2015-f1-concept-liveries/
http://wtf1.co.uk/f1-2015-concept-liveries/
http://wtf1.co.uk/more-2015-concept-liveries/
http://wtf1.co.uk/fan-gives-teams-a-new-look-in-these-2015-f1-concept-liveries/
Psychotext
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brotkasten
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I like most of them and they confirm that the 18" rims look definitely better than the current ones.
Russian driver in RBR?
Yep.
Nah, I like rubber. Rubber is good.
Wax Free Vanilla
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McLaren on the 29th
Issues with the McLaren car?