what are you talking about he got a helicopter from monaco to woking while he was simultaneously flying to singapore for friday practice
nothing suspicious here guise
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what are you talking about he got a helicopter from monaco to woking while he was simultaneously flying to singapore for friday practice
nothing suspicious here guise
nature boy
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#EnginePorn
That rumor is crap because of the seat fitting part. Nobody makes a seat fitting for another team in the middle of a season.
However the Spanish press continues to insist Alonso is waiting for the possibility of Mercedes turmoil to happen and grab the empty seat left by Hamilton. Same rumors say Alonso still has 2 other options open to him: Williams and Lotus if he brings the sponsor required to pay his salary. According to those some rumors, Pat Symonds convinced Frank and Claire Williams that they can fight for the WDC with Alonso next year, the problem is that they are not going to pay him what he wants + Massa release clause.
Also apparently Marchionne was in favour of a complete driver overhaul and wanted a fresh 2015 lineup. Plans for the October 13th Vettel announcement are still up in the air after Bianchi's injury. Complete sadness if those rumors were indeed true (the Kubica-Ferrari deal was indeed true...)
#EnginePorn
I can tell that it's an engine by the engine sign.
Big Takeover
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Personally, I'm leaving the possibility open that Alonso ends up with Mercedes and Lewis goes back to McLaren. Despite whatever Niki says. If Merc was to be unhappy with Lewis' performance, attitude, or salary demands I think they'd be more than willing to do that. If he wins the WDC, probably not however. Ron would do that trade 100 out of a 100 times. I think getting Lewis back is why he gets out of bed every morning.
nature boy
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It's still an engine to me :/
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...fnahmen-vorerst-unter-verschluss-8643684.html
(Google translate)
Article says no recording of the accident from the FOM feed (no inboard recording?) and that there's a recording from the internal circuit video.
Russian Grand Prix bosses want night F1 race in 2015
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...fnahmen-vorerst-unter-verschluss-8643684.html
(Google translate)
Article says no recording of the accident from the FOM feed (no inboard recording?) and that there's a recording from the internal circuit video.
Russian Grand Prix bosses want night F1 race in 2015
Mastah
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Only 9 onboard cameras are working simultaneously. Usually it's the leaders, interesting action in the midpack and sometimes one backmarker. At the time of the accident, main onboard channel was showing Ericsson's Caterham, so there is no conspiracy and indeed there can be no footage from Bianchi's onboard.
That in itself is ridiculous. What excuse is there for every camera to not be recording all the time?
Hard Drive space obviously too much for FOM.
Wireless spectrum.
Then very car has an SSD in it and the problem goes away, for the sake of analysing accidents.
Psychotext
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Assuming the SSD was in a place where it could survive that sort of impact of course.
wut.
theignoramus
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He needs to win the next two races to get a comfy 24 point buffer.
Wax Free Vanilla
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i'm calling bullshit on the no official footage of the crash - what did salo watch in the stewards office? plus that german company supplies the fom their recording system that captures over 30 camera feeds, plus all radio channels.
nature boy
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Didn't know there was a limit on the number of simultaneous streams from the onboard cameras, I guess all of this just assumed that they were able to record every car at all time.
Here's some pics: http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...ormel-1-betritt-neuland-in-sochi-8643487.html
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...die-rekord-kurve-8643694.html#fotoshow_item=1
The night race in 2015 will look amazing to be honest.
Here's some pics: http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...ormel-1-betritt-neuland-in-sochi-8643487.html
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...die-rekord-kurve-8643694.html#fotoshow_item=1
The night race in 2015 will look amazing to be honest.
Mastah
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Bandwidth?
This is how it looks like:
As for what kind of footage they have - upper second row:
I don't think that view would add anything:
And finally this is view from camera that could potentially capture the accident, but here is the furthest to the right it was the whole race, so still accident would be off screen:
Saw this on Reddit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zaf7NvouDBQ
How is it crazy. They have more footage now than they ever did and almost certainly more footage than in just about every racing series in the world.
Not that there's no room for improvement, but let's be realistic here. Even if you have the footage from one angle, it's never enough to clear up every incident. In many cases you'll have to look at footage from multiple angles to really have a good idea of what happened exactly. It will take some time and a lot of money to cover every centimetre of a several mile long track from multiple angles.
Not that there's no room for improvement, but let's be realistic here. Even if you have the footage from one angle, it's never enough to clear up every incident. In many cases you'll have to look at footage from multiple angles to really have a good idea of what happened exactly. It will take some time and a lot of money to cover every centimetre of a several mile long track from multiple angles.
They have telemetry and outside views of every car.
They have this for this accident.
Again: Wireless spectrum. There isn't enough legal bandwidth in the sky for them to use.
All the circuit cams they use, the 30 odd so, are wired. Bringing an F1 circus to a circuit means there are already a bazillion wireless signals in the air...
Well you don't need to deal with realities like signal interference and bandwith and regulations.
Sure they probably could do it. Would that add anything more to this? They have outside camera's, they have GPS, they have telemetry... They know what happened.
K.
Yeah, I'm not talking about wireless. I'm talking about recording it locally. I'm just surprised it isn't done, that's all.
And yes, they know what happened - but I'm talking more widespread. Telemetry wouldn't have picked up a spring flying into Felipe Massa's left temple.
That's fair enough. I agree. Additional info never hurts. Costs are also probably relatively limited.
I'm still not sure on the bandwidth thing. Everyone at that track would have had a mobile signal, people/sponsors would have been setting up wifi hotspots, etc etc. The streams while "HD" aren't really decent quality, every camera from one car could be muxed down fairly easily I would have thought.
Since there are huge chunks of car and electronics that survive these crashes I'm sure it's possible. Hell, the monocoque survived, put it under his ass.
Since there are huge chunks of car and electronics that survive these crashes I'm sure it's possible. Hell, the monocoque survived, put it under his ass.
Weren't those grooved tires less grippy?
2006 Ferraristone's have far more grip than the pieces of shit they run today.
The work rate is higher in 2006 because cars today have much better suspension and diffusers.
Business
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Yes they had less mechanical grip but they also more aero grip to compensate for it and then some more, they still had the low and wide rear wing.
Mastah
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That onboard is from Q2 in 2004, when track was still drying.
But yeah, Pirellis offer very poor grip.
Myoclonic Jerk
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Quick fix until technology allows for all cams recording all the time?
Equip each corner with 3 GoPro's. Problem solved, and extremely cheap. Extract the footage if an incident or an accident happens that needs to be investigated further.
I've read some replies defending the sport regulators and justifications as silly as "they have the most camera coverage to any other sport" .. seriously?
You don't call yourself a pinnacle of something because you ticked a box in an area just for being "better". Being the pinnacle means that you keep working hard to achieve perfection, which is never achievable because standards change and the bars always get higher and higher, and in this instance they were far from being perfect taking the capability of the governing body into consideration
I don't think it's acceptable at all that there's no sufficient footage for them to analyze. Just off the top of my mind here's a couple of suggestions
- Place more fixed cameras on corners
- Fix tiny blackboxes on the cars to record all telemetry and camera recordings
See? Not difficult.. So it just shows that they just failed to even considering it an issue to begin with
but who am I kidding. The sport is ran by a man who said Senna's death was good for the sport. Shows where their priorities are
smh
EDIT:
Definitely agree!
He said the publicity generated by the death, not the death itself. I know even that makes quite an impact but let's not take things out of context.
Man do I miss that sound.
Autosport magazine is reporting that Ferrari fired Alonso after they discovered that the Spaniard was talking to Mercedes for a swap between him and Hamilton. Trusting issues...
Massa confirmed that Fernando wants to go to Mercedes, but believes that McLaren is the only place he can go now. The Brazilian also believes that the Honda engine will be the best of the grid, but he's not sure if the car itself will be good, since McLaren isn't in great shape recently.
Felipe also said that the last race was the worst of his carrer. Even worse than his own accident because he doesn't remember a thing about Hungary 2009. Said that he was shouting on the radio for them to end the race, because the track was getting worse and very dark.
It seems that telemetry shows that Bianchi was at 203 Km/h when he lost control of the car. On the lap before, he was at 230 at the same place. For comparison purposes, Ericsson was at 220 Km/h, and Chilton was at 198 Km/h.
Edit: Claire Williams wants covered cockpits, and Rob Smedley says that it's easy to implement it.
Massa confirmed that Fernando wants to go to Mercedes, but believes that McLaren is the only place he can go now. The Brazilian also believes that the Honda engine will be the best of the grid, but he's not sure if the car itself will be good, since McLaren isn't in great shape recently.
Felipe also said that the last race was the worst of his carrer. Even worse than his own accident because he doesn't remember a thing about Hungary 2009. Said that he was shouting on the radio for them to end the race, because the track was getting worse and very dark.
It seems that telemetry shows that Bianchi was at 203 Km/h when he lost control of the car. On the lap before, he was at 230 at the same place. For comparison purposes, Ericsson was at 220 Km/h, and Chilton was at 198 Km/h.
Edit: Claire Williams wants covered cockpits, and Rob Smedley says that it's easy to implement it.
If somehow the angular momentum of the car during the spin/slide was greater than that of the car driving normally then the car could potentially gain speed. However, this is highly unlikely given the only moving part of the car able to affect angular momentum to that extent is the fuel and the fuel tank is designed to limit this
