Mohonky
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No one is blaming him, simply pointing out what you mentioned, the drivers more clearly defined boundaries on what to do under a double yellow.
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Wikipedia makes a depressing read.
90% of severe cases of diffuse axonal injuries end up in pernament coma.
Psychotext
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Fuck. 
Fuck... =/
I wanna know what the idiots responsible for not pushing forward the start of the race have to say now. Also, Massa, Surtees, Weldon, Alonso (almost), and now Bianchi, and probably more... how many drivers will get injured until people finally realize that the look of the cars is way less important than the driver's safety?
I wanna know what the idiots responsible for not pushing forward the start of the race have to say now. Also, Massa, Surtees, Weldon, Alonso (almost), and now Bianchi, and probably more... how many drivers will get injured until people finally realize that the look of the cars is way less important than the driver's safety?
Big Takeover
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This guy is, at least, partially blaming the drivers for not obeying flag rules to the T. Plain and simply, this isn't their problem. I just found the article to be complete overreaction, and not based in reality.
BTW, the most memorable of yellow flag penalties was when Jacques got disqualified from, coincidentally, the '97 Japanese GP. That was about Ferrari screwing him however, nothing about safety
I'd guess there have been some since, but nothing is jumping out at me.
Mastah
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Hartstein's opinion on Bianchi's injury:
and much more on http://formerf1doc.wordpress.com/2014/10/07/diffuse-axonal-injury/
and much more on http://formerf1doc.wordpress.com/2014/10/07/diffuse-axonal-injury/
gingerlord
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1) Looks like a terrible track for the current F1 cars
2) Barely in Europe yet is the European GP
2) Barely in Europe yet is the European GP
Wax Free Vanilla
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Poor Jules
Alonso to do Le Mans 24hr with Toyota in 2015, then join Mercedes in 2016.
Alonso to do Le Mans 24hr with Toyota in 2015, then join Mercedes in 2016.
[ http://www.braininjuryinstitute.org/Brain-Injury-Types/Diffuse-Axonal-Brain-Injury.html ]
Looks like the helmet & other driver safety measures did their job, but the impact was too big to avoid this kind of injury.
Elvin Atombender
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Yes, they really should try to enforce some kind of speed-limit through a zone where there is a double waved yellow. Most of the time they will only need it for 1-3 minutes and a safety car would take a lot longer than that.
What about the track being broken down into zones like the pitlane is? So they have to average say 80kph through a zone or get a penalty. White lines on the road, markers at the side of the road.
So Where you have a track broken down into 3 sectors at the moment for timing, break it down into say 10 sectors for safety.
I suppose one issue with that is that anyone caught in it just as it goes green is at a disadvantage from the guy speeding up the track behind him who doesn't have to slow down.
So Where you have a track broken down into 3 sectors at the moment for timing, break it down into say 10 sectors for safety.
I suppose one issue with that is that anyone caught in it just as it goes green is at a disadvantage from the guy speeding up the track behind him who doesn't have to slow down.
Safety should overcome fairness. Yellows happen in racing so might as well make them as safe as possible.
Elvin Atombender
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There already are a lot more than 10 zones for safety. Everywhere you can see a new flag/light is the start of a new zone.
Fox Mulder
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holy shit that track looks god awful.
I am 'not not' blaming him because he's severely life threatening injured. Don't forget he endangered the lives of those marshalls.
It fucking sucks and I really really hope everything will work out eventually, but there was only one person in control of the gaspedal and if he lifted off more there is a chance he wouldn't have lost control. He is an adult and knew the risks by not lifting off more.
I realize it sounds harsh but people shouldn't be afraid to blame him because he's injured and that is what happening.
Graphics Horse
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At least the carpet looks interesting.
They are also part of Eurovision. Just roll with it.
Well technically it's Europe...
But that would be like holding an Asian Grand Prix in Turkey...
Big Takeover
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Complete and utter rubbish.
The safety of the track, and it's marshalls is entirely the responsibility of the FIA. I'll bet my house Bianchi's telemetry looks exactly the same as the other 20 guys that were circulating at that time. The Marussia is a piece of crap as well, so you could expect it to be way down on kph through there too.
If the situation is too dangerous for the drivers and marshalls, put out the safety car. That's exactly what it's for.
Man, super sorry to hear that stuff about Jules, but it's definitely what I expected. Really hope he pulls, though. Seems like this is going to be another waiting game like Schumy, which is sad. Well, you can't rush good medicine and I'm sure Jules is getting the best care he possibly could be. Good luck to him.
Hell of a way to get in the car, but I can't wait to see him out there. Might be a good resume to eventually get picked up by the Haas Formula One team. Whatever he says, Haas has to know there needs to be at least one American on that squad to get American viewers to care.
Hell of a way to get in the car, but I can't wait to see him out there. Might be a good resume to eventually get picked up by the Haas Formula One team. Whatever he says, Haas has to know there needs to be at least one American on that squad to get American viewers to care.
Jezbollah
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http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2014/10/bianchi-family-issues-a-statement-on-jules-condition/
Hopefully this brings more optimism to the Bianchi situation - the injury he suffered is what Richard Hammond had when he had his high speed accident - he woke up after a week.
Hopefully this brings more optimism to the Bianchi situation - the injury he suffered is what Richard Hammond had when he had his high speed accident - he woke up after a week.
Doubt it, Lotus of 2012 and 2013 is long dead with all the best chassis and aero people gone to Mercedes and Ferrari.
It would be a worse move than moving to McLaren who at least have the budget and have been actively hiring for a year now.
Well, they'll have to talk about this at some point, but who's going to replace Bianchi at Marussia for at least Sochi if not longer?
Alexander Rossi (currently 21st in GP2), or the freshly-signed Will Stevens (currently 6th in Formula Renault 3.5)? Or someone else with a larger bundle of money?
Alexander Rossi (currently 21st in GP2), or the freshly-signed Will Stevens (currently 6th in Formula Renault 3.5)? Or someone else with a larger bundle of money?
Wax Free Vanilla
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Both are terrible, what other drivers have Ferrari got?
Bring back Badoer.
I will never forget that overtake at Spa against Schummy. And one thing I will always admire about him was his ability to overcome so many adversities. He came back after a huge shunt at Adelaide while other drivers like Massa, Wendlinger or Panis never managed to get back to the same level from lesser crashes.
Coulthard (and cough Villeneuve cough) gifting him his 1st win at F1 in Jerez. Then when he battled Schumacher, he almost always managed to stay the same. Calm, funny, teary and never seemed to be bothered by pressure. I compare it to the glorious battle between Alonso+Renault+Briatore+Michelin vs Schumacher+Ferrari+Todt+Bridgestone and that year was a complete trainwreck of emotions in which every part lost control. Meanwhile Mika never did. Schummy and Todt mind games never seemed to bother him.
Wow how I miss the that Renault and Ferrari battle. There were accusations thrown every weekend. Mass dampers, Ferrari putting sticky substances in their tyres, illegal fuel, illegal suspensions. This Hamilton vs Rosberg battle is a kids fight compared to that year. How do I miss those times where teams pushed everything. Every race there was upgrades, new engines, new tyres etc.
Business
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That is in my opinion the most overrated overtake ever. Yeah I get it that Zonta in the middle made it more spectacular but the overtake itself was just a matter of having a massively faster car in the straight. IIRC in the previous lap he almost passed him in the same spot but Schumacher avoided it by being a tad dirty or at least very agressive. In the next lap with Zonta in the middle he couldn't shut the door and Hakkinen just got the inside easy. Literally every race weekend these days I see a better one, Hamilton on Rosberg sunday required much more skill.
From a drivers' perspective, that layout looks like it could be a lot of fun. A few technical areas, a long complex of turns similar to the infamous Turn 8 at Istanbul, and some decent runs down into heavy braking areas.
There is no pleasing some people. You should see the state of the Baku WTCC layout, then tell me this is a bad track.
Also, +1 on the Hakkinen move being overrated. It was more a case of right place, right time. The build up to that move was so intense though with the level of defensive driving Schumacher was maintaining.
There is no pleasing some people. You should see the state of the Baku WTCC layout, then tell me this is a bad track.
Also, +1 on the Hakkinen move being overrated. It was more a case of right place, right time. The build up to that move was so intense though with the level of defensive driving Schumacher was maintaining.
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