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The Formula 1 2014 Season |OT2| Louder Than Formula E
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I would post my Octavia, but I hear off topic chatter isn't appreciated here
I would post my Octavia, but I hear off topic chatter isn't appreciated here
Bleh, its a community thread, community threads are about the community more than the topic lol. Stroll into the football thread at any given moment and unless its between 12 & 8 on a saturday/sunday, they could literally be talking about anything else in the world
.VRS I'm assuming? I went 1.8 TSI L&K. So comfy and great fun to drive.
CurlySaysX
Banned
Audi could use the Lamborghini name if they went into F1.
Believe.
Lamborghini could supply it's engines to RedBull
Lamborghini = Bull
Bull = Spanish Icon
Alonso = Spanish Icon
Alonso to Lamborghini Red Bull Racing. Believe.
Believe.
Lamborghini could supply it's engines to RedBull
Lamborghini = Bull
Bull = Spanish Icon
Alonso = Spanish Icon
Alonso to Lamborghini Red Bull Racing. Believe.
Pretty sure the FIA banned that immediately after Vettel won at Monza in 2008.
Graphics Horse
Member
Lamborghini would balk at the idea of running a V6 engine even more than Ferarri did.
Bleh, its a community thread, community threads are about the community more than the topic lol. Stroll into the football thread at any given moment and unless its between 12 & 8 on a saturday/sunday, they could literally be talking about anything else in the world
VRS I'm assuming? I went 1.8 TSI L&K. So comfy and great fun to drive.
Nah, I drive a conservative 1.6 FSI. I contemplated a second hand RS instead of a regular new one, but I got a good deal on a new one (from stock) and gas prices were going through the roof at the time (even though they pale in relation to current prices), so I figured it best for my wallet to keep it simple. I was going to get a TSI and kind of regret not doing that, but at the time it meant getting the new car a week from my ordering it and waiting 8 weeks... And well, I just wanted to go.
All in all I'm super happy with my car though, got some nice BBS rims and I love it even after six years.
Best thing is how it corners like it's glued to the asphalt, might be the 225 wide wheels, but no matter how fast I throw it into a cornoer, it never fails me.
ConstructMe
Banned
This sounds real worrying....
Only porsche and toyota in lmp cant be healthy
Wat happens to red bulls junior shit if torto rosso is bought?
Wat happens if rbr is bought? Is the main red bull owner tired of f1 or something why would he sell the main team?
Only porsche and toyota in lmp cant be healthy
Wat happens to red bulls junior shit if torto rosso is bought?
Wat happens if rbr is bought? Is the main red bull owner tired of f1 or something why would he sell the main team?
We're headed to three cars per team anyways, right. So why can't RBR use their third car for a junior instead of Torro Rosso?
Nissan is entering in the LMP1 league, and it seems others will follow.
ConstructMe
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Im more getting at the implications if red bull are willing to sell any team....are they not happy with the current arrangement? Is one bad year enough for him to start selling shit off? F1 needs big money like him so its worrying if hes open to doing shit like this, also f 3 car teams too hope that doesnt happen.
Bleh, its a community thread, community threads are about the community more than the topic lol. Stroll into the football thread at any given moment and unless its between 12 & 8 on a saturday/sunday, they could literally be talking about anything else in the world
That's what they ought to be, but quiet frankly in reality it's not that way. At least not in a practical sense. If all Formula 1 related discussion happened in one or several threads in OT, then the community thread should be all about the community of frequent posters. As it stands, NFL GAF and several other community threads that venture into communal topics more than topics relating to their actual title are just incredible tedious to read/participate in if you are not (willing to be) a member of said community and just want to discuss the actual topic at hand. As such I really value that this F1 thread seldom goes completely communal.
There have been long stretches in the recent past with two (or even fewer) large car manufactures fielding factory teams in LMP1. LeMans/WEC is way less dependent on works teams than F1. Also anything that leads to a rise of GTs back to prominence is fine for me.
theignoramus
Member
Yeah those examples were rubbish. 2011 had lots of embarrassing moments for Lewis though, especially his public feud with Massa and him carrying on like a martyr. Maybe it was the season he needed though.
nature boy
Member
Adam Scott Aukerman
Member
Caterham's circumstances are obvious, but you would have thought Marrusia could have at least gotten by with a Rossi-related cash infusion for that weekend.
nature boy
Member
They will also miss the Brazilian GP, due to the logistics involved.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
I would like to see Audi and Tata/Jaguar come into the sport. I have always had the latter pencilled in for when Mallya runs out of money or loses interest, but with two slots opening up I hope they come in earlier and buy up the existing operation at Caterham or Marussia and sign a deal with Honda for 2016 onwards as a customer rather than works team. It's worth remembering that JLR made $2.4bn in profit last year and they are going to beat that by a significant margin this year so a team by Tata/Jag would be well funded.
I don't think BMW will make a comeback and none of the US groups would bother with F1 and Aston Martin don't seem likely at all given the expense.
I don't think BMW will make a comeback and none of the US groups would bother with F1 and Aston Martin don't seem likely at all given the expense.
Only seeing 18 drivers is weird, esp. with that #17 cut-off in Q1. Shame T-Cars are no longer around, since that would have made it simpler to allow teams to have a third car around to fill the field back up, of course third car wouldn't count to Constructors championship points, but it would be a nice way to get some extra pay from third drivers for the smaller teams, or a way to let promising prospects for next year get a go.
Holy crap.
I think the writing was on the wall for Caterham when Fernandes buggered off but Marussia too? I honestly thought if they kept hold of 9th in the constructors that they would be ok.
If both teams drop out of next year Bernie will be in big trouble as the FOM agreement with the FIA was to delivery 20 cars minimum? I hope one or both manage to be saved.
I think the writing was on the wall for Caterham when Fernandes buggered off but Marussia too? I honestly thought if they kept hold of 9th in the constructors that they would be ok.
If both teams drop out of next year Bernie will be in big trouble as the FOM agreement with the FIA was to delivery 20 cars minimum? I hope one or both manage to be saved.
Feathers would fly in that epic battle.
nature boy
Member
And the funny thing is Vettel won't run in qualifying, so Q1 is absolutely pointless.
I do wonder if Marussia is trying to save some cash now that Caterham isn't racing and therefore isn't going to challenge their 10th place.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Jaguar under Ford and Jaguar under Tata are two completely different companies. Most of the management from the Ford days have moved on or been moved on by Tata. As I said I think the best chance of their entry would be from Mallya throwing in the towel and Tata picking up the pieces of Force India, but even now I think Tata may be interested.
brotkasten
Member
All the cost cutting measures over the years and we're still in this situation.
Mastah
Member
I think it will be 4 cars out in Q1 and further 4 in Q2.
Let's face it, cost-cutting and F1 is a paradox to begin with. The investment cost to enter into the sport alone is so high that for those who can seriously compete, money is the least of their concerns, while for those who actually have financial concerns, no amount of cost-cutting will even really make it comfortable for them.
Nicktendo86
Member
How much of a cut of the TV revenue does Bernie get again? Would wager a chunk of that could easily help the smaller teams.
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
there's no point in them returning, both are on a hiding to nothing and won't achieve anything in the sport, i'd rather see 3 car teams, more top drivers in better equipment the better.
alonso saw it coming, he's off to mercedes.
button, magnussen and kobayashi at mclaren.
alonso saw it coming, he's off to mercedes.
button, magnussen and kobayashi at mclaren.
Adam Scott Aukerman
Member
And when one of those teams inevitably find themselves regularly running at the back, what do you think will happen then?
It's not sustainable.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
If they don't force it, they can't allow it, as that would screw up the WCC.
theignoramus
Member
I thought the reason for 5 engines a season limit, fuel flow restrictions and rev limits were for "cost cutting"? Thats what FIA apologists told me earlier in the season. Yet teams are pulling out anyway.
Time to tweak the formula so we have some decent sounding cars again. The formula we have now isnt preventing backmarkers from pulling out because of ridiculous cost, so may as well make adjustments to give fans and viewers a better theatrical show. Cant wait to hear how the crowd in Austin receives these rubbish sounding cars after the deafening wall of sound theyve enjoyed the last two years.
They are for cost cutting. You don't have to be a FIA apologist to state that. It's a fact. It's also a stupid idea because the cost cutting doesn't really help anyone in the end. The FIA is filled with bad ideas, but the continue to have the power to execute these ideas.
nature boy
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What "cost cutting"? Power unit alone for Caterham is 38$ million per season.
F1 caved in to manufacturers' demands about being "eco-friendly" but they weren't interested in subsidizing the power units to smaller teams. Problem is, manufacturers don't last long in the sport. They don't spend hundreds of millions to not challenge for the title.
Add into that the increase in Grand Prix fees and TV rights (being eaten up by CVC - if Bernie is a money grabber, what's CVC?), teams also in trouble (Lotus, Sauber, even in a way Mclaren with no title sponsor on the horizon) and how political the sport and I'm surprised anyone would want to get into the sport, be it team or GP promoter.
F1 caved in to manufacturers' demands about being "eco-friendly" but they weren't interested in subsidizing the power units to smaller teams. Problem is, manufacturers don't last long in the sport. They don't spend hundreds of millions to not challenge for the title.
Add into that the increase in Grand Prix fees and TV rights (being eaten up by CVC - if Bernie is a money grabber, what's CVC?), teams also in trouble (Lotus, Sauber, even in a way Mclaren with no title sponsor on the horizon) and how political the sport and I'm surprised anyone would want to get into the sport, be it team or GP promoter.
So let me get this straight. You say first, that Hamilton and Rosberg are only this dominant because of the OP Car. Then you say the same to Vettel in the last years. AND THEN you say He has to prove He is a "fucking fantastic Driver like Hamilton and Alonso" ???
Hamilton never proved he outdrove his car. We can only say that about Alonso. Hamilton was freaking inconsistent since his WCC year. And the first shot after his WCC, he gets it with an OP car that is more dominant then any Red Bull car was in the last 4 years.
the real paradox is with the nature of the "cost cutting".
A team that has a budget of 200 Million isnt affected by reducing the numbers of Power units. If they only can use 5 PU`s, what will they do with the money that was going into PU budget? Well they wont cut it. They will spend it elsewhere. Somewhere where its not regulated and they will then get an advantage in another field against teams, that MUST cut the budget.
Regarding 3 Car teams: I like it. But maybe the third car shouldnt be eligible for Constructor points. And the car that dont get points must be declared before the Race. But the Driver still get his WCC points.
Could be great for Junior drivers. But should the Points of the third car got to the next car or should it lapse? I think the small teams want the points to get to the next car.
As a TV-viewer I prefer the current sound, It's nice to actually hear the tires working and the fans screaming.
The way I see it, the only thing that would be more than a drop on a hot stone would be an actual spending cap and better revenue sharing.
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
will it be long term? it should be no problem for the top teams, the original story only mentioned that some teams could run 3 cars next season, with two cars eligible to score constructors points to make it fair on the two car teams.
mercedes, redbull, ferrari and mclaren to run three cars
williams and toro rosso maybe, lotus, fi and sauber not a chance.
alonso leaving ferrari not even close to being settled according to marca, what if he doesn't leave, he's decided he wants to stay and give vettel a good hiding, and the three car team doesn't happen? would they pay kimi off again? lol