Psychotext
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That line about last year's race is a bit silly. No way was the crash Massa's fault.
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That line about last year's race is a bit silly. No way was the crash Massa's fault.
Verstappen clearly feels the same about his crash.
Psychotext
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I'm sure he does, which is why we have other people making the decisions rather than the drivers themselves.
I'm pretty sure the Honda boss man has mentioned it once or twice since Monaco. Though thinking about it, I might be getting confused with Renault. Either way, it's not surprising.
Also, Verstappen is quickly becoming the least likeable driver on the grid.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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To be fair, as long as he's doing brilliantly then he can kind of get away with it. The minute he acts like that when his performance is lacking then, by all means, he's a bellend.
It was a racing incident, if the data shows Grosjean didn't brake overly early compared to normal and Verstappen's data shows he didn't brake later than normal, then neither should feel the need to apologize. Massa had some harsh words for Verstappen, so him not being very diplomatic is indeed a sign of youthfulness, but I also can't really blame him for not rolling over.
To be fair, I like drivers that get pissy sometimes, guys like Senna, Schumacher and Hamilton. Most people dislike that, I know, but I see it as a good racing quality. Arrogance makes for better racers.
I'm sure Verstappen learned from the incident BTW, but I disagree he had anything to apologize for. But we've had that discussion.
That was legit lolz. I hope no one kicks up a fuss about it though.
I agree. I'm not saying he should apologise, per say. I don't think he did anything outrageous or stupid - he just made a misjudgement. It happens. Rookie drivers do that sometimes, let alone 17-year-olds.
The problem I have is that rather than simply saying "oops, my mistake", or, "it's unfortunate but these things happen. I'll put it behind me and look forward to the next race blah blah", he actively entertained the idea that Grosjean deliberately brake tested him. Now, I've been critical of Grosjean before, but the idea that any driver out there (except maybe Maldonado or Alonso who brake-tested Doornbos in Hungary practice that time) would ever even consider doing something like that in a race is just ludicrous and pretty inappropriate, actually. Especially when the stewards examined the data and found Verstappen to be the one at fault.
Saying something like that after the stewards looked at the data and concluded Grosjean did nothing wrong is pretty poor form, IMO.
But anyway. I know it doesn't matter now so I'll drop it.
Hahaha. That's amazing.
Psychotext
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It's a TV show. Had no idea it was coming back.
Damn, the first second or two he lip-sync'd so well I thought he was just having an emotional breakdown and calling out Nicole. Well played.
JadedWriter
Member
He probably is calling out Nicole, you never know.
It even sounds a bit like him. :lol
Refuelling probably won't return:
So they looked at the charts after all
But that year also had the F-Ducts.
Refuelling probably won't return:
So they looked at the charts after all
That's good news.
Oh wow, so did I.
ads are all over ch4 dude
i think theyve moved it to a later slot so hopefully it wont be family friendly anymore
Business
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No offence but you keep repeating To be fair when your judgement is in my opinion evidently clouded by the fact Verstappen is Dutch like you.
Verstappen is behind and was behind the lap before, if it's true Grosjean braked at the same-ish spot, then it's Verstappen fault, nobody cares if he could brake later or if he did brake later in previous laps. Bringing up last's year crash to Massa would have been cheeky if Massa's crash would have been similar, but because it wasn't it just came across as silly.
Psychotext
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ads are all over ch4 dude
I don't watch TV...
Roude Leiw
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how can a team stay in f1 without any sponsors? maybe Putin is sponsoring the team ;P
PdotMichael
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Refuelling probably won't return:
So they looked at the charts after all
What's the common explenation that F1 pretty much peaked in popularity at the time of few on track overtakes, boring Q format, dominating Ferrari and all the other shity stuff?
No but I'm going to check it out. Thank you.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01fcncc/madness-on-wheels-rallyings-craziest-years
They're doing a one-off next week. Got Chris Evans (No, not that one) back for it, too.
There's a F1 Rewind on tomorrow on BBC2, if anyone's interested; Suzi Perry talking to Murray Walker about highlights of three of Senna's races.
Psychotext
Member
It's probably a hangover from the 90s, but I fucking hate that guy.
If you had read what I said after that "to be fair", you would have seen that I admitted that I kind of like arrogant drivers and as such admitted that my opinion was rose colored.
I hope he goes for that hairstyle.
Grand Prix - The Killer Years http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x14el38_grand-prix-the-killer-years-documentary_auto
Madness on Wheels - Rallyings Craziest Years http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xty1w4_bbc-madness-on-wheels-rallying-s-craziest-years_shortfilms
Both are required viewing for any motorsport fan I feel. Especially when someone says "Bring back the old Spa"
I think there is a third that I keep forgetting.
EDIT
There is also
1: Life On The Limit - Narrated by Fasbender - Not seen this yet
Deadliest Crash - The 1955 Le Mans Disaster http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlq9ml_the-deadliest-crash-the-le-mans-1955-disaster_auto
Hamilton and Webber say what they think, and they do it with conviction because they're usually correct, and when they aren't they apologise.
Maldonado does the same thing, except he's the opposite. Right now, Verstappen is just as bad.
I've got nothing against Verstappen, it does annoy me that a 17 YO can race in F1 without issue, but the kid clearly has immense potential and I want to see him succeed. But his comments post-Monaco have really lacked any sporting professionalism.
Massa has been in a more than a few accidents over the last handful of seasons, and I can't remember him ever apologizing or taking any responsibility. He blamed Magnussen and railed against rookie drivers when he failed to leave enough space at the first corner of the German Grand Prix last season.
Verstappen was ultimately responsible for the accident. The obvious rookie move was how Verstappen and his camp handled their response after the race. I understand they want to prove and tell everyone that he is worthy of a seat in F1, but they are not making it easy for themselves this way. All they have to say that he is here to learn. Others will be there to sing his praises.
Verstappen was ultimately responsible for the accident. The obvious rookie move was how Verstappen and his camp handled their response after the race. I understand they want to prove and tell everyone that he is worthy of a seat in F1, but they are not making it easy for themselves this way. All they have to say that he is here to learn. Others will be there to sing his praises.
I guess everybody saw that coming towards Verstappen. Being at the age of 17, you either are seen as the second coming of Jesus, or you are extremely overrated (strangely, I don't think that he's none of these things). Worse if you get involved in silly accidents, and even worse if you don't take responsibility for that when everyone is pointing the finger at you. But I guess that that's what happens when you have Jos around you.
If this happens again, I have no doubt that Max will be penalized. It took a race ban for Grosjean learn that he can't drive like an idiot, and he kept his head down an learn from it. There's no problem in making mistakes. Even experienced drivers do that. Max is good. The problem is his attitude, that may lead people tainting him like a new Perez or worse, a Maldonado. And, unlike these two, Max doesn't seem to have many millions from sponsors to keep his seat. What's in his side, though, is that Red Bull will never admit that they made a mistake putting a teenager to drive a F1 car.
Max deserves a place in F1, no question about it. But no more than Frijns, for example. I still think it is too early. But since the shit is done, he'll have to learn to deal with this kind of pressure in a better way before he gets burnt.
If this happens again, I have no doubt that Max will be penalized. It took a race ban for Grosjean learn that he can't drive like an idiot, and he kept his head down an learn from it. There's no problem in making mistakes. Even experienced drivers do that. Max is good. The problem is his attitude, that may lead people tainting him like a new Perez or worse, a Maldonado. And, unlike these two, Max doesn't seem to have many millions from sponsors to keep his seat. What's in his side, though, is that Red Bull will never admit that they made a mistake putting a teenager to drive a F1 car.
Max deserves a place in F1, no question about it. But no more than Frijns, for example. I still think it is too early. But since the shit is done, he'll have to learn to deal with this kind of pressure in a better way before he gets burnt.
Subterranean
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Problems with Button's McLaren right off the bat in P1. Figures.