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The Formula 1 2015 Season |OT| Formula E Feeder Series
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I think it's pretty clear that it is. The racing incident was definitely the cause of his death.
I honestly doubt many people will argue against it truly being an F1 fatality. He died from complications directly related to his crash. Had he recovered a bit and then died, maybe I could see people making arguments. Since he never recovered, I think it's quite obviously an F1 fatality.
No doubt that his death is an F1 fatality and he's the first pilot to die since Senna. There's been multiple fatalities related to F1 since Senna though (2 Marshalls in the last 15 years)
RIP
All the best wishes to his family.
I sadly saw the race and the footage of the crash right afterwards. There will be no arguing or debate over this.
All the best wishes to his family.
I sadly saw the race and the footage of the crash right afterwards. There will be no arguing or debate over this.
JadedWriter
Member
RIP Jules, such a tragedy.
iceagecoming
Banned
RIP Jules. A great talent he was. I'll never be happy to see it rain at suzuka again
RIP Jules Bianchi
I can just send my condolences to the family really, what else can be said? I'm still too scared to even watch how the accident occurred really. I started watching Formula 1 when I was 10 and hoped I'd never have to see anything like Senna and Ratzenberger happen in the sport again, sadly it has.
I can just send my condolences to the family really, what else can be said? I'm still too scared to even watch how the accident occurred really. I started watching Formula 1 when I was 10 and hoped I'd never have to see anything like Senna and Ratzenberger happen in the sport again, sadly it has.
Adam Scott Aukerman
Member
At least his family now has some closure at the very least. I can't even imagine what they've been through since the accident.
Let's not forget Maria de Villota though. Who died from complications of her injuries sustained while driving an F1 car.
Myoclonic Jerk
Member
Horrible news.
RIP
RIP
Elvin Atombender
Member
Horrible news to wake up to.
RIP Jules.
RIP Jules.
Ohh 
What a tragic tragic story this is, Rest In Peace Jules, you will be missed.
I still remember the GrandPrix and the absolute dread at hearing about his crash and his coma(
He seemed like a really great bloke and one of the few talented french youngsters, my thoughts are with his friends and his family.
What a tragic tragic story this is, Rest In Peace Jules, you will be missed.I still remember the GrandPrix and the absolute dread at hearing about his crash and his coma
(He seemed like a really great bloke and one of the few talented french youngsters, my thoughts are with his friends and his family.
Cheeseman Battitude
Member
There's no argument. He died from injuries sustained in a crash during an F1 race.
xrnzaaas
Member
RIP Jules
Of course it is an F1 fatality. It's just that modern medicine kicked in, giving false hope and 9 months of torture for the family.
Of course it is an F1 fatality. It's just that modern medicine kicked in, giving false hope and 9 months of torture for the family.
RIP Jules
I cannot imagine worst scenario for every family - having a family member in coma with bleak predictions for recovery
Psychotext
Member
aspiegamer
Member
Really sad. First driver race fatality since I started following the sport. Unfortunately I figured some time ago that this was inevitable after hearing that he never really started to recover.
The official FIA reports might not have said specifically "it was the rain", but this was still a 100% avoidable incident considering the race could have been held during better conditions but was not. This year's moves with the VSC and earlier race starts are already at least some safety improvements. The next time the drivers, teams, media and global community repeatedly ask a question like "should we really run this race during a typhoon?" hopefully we trust out gut instinct. We'd been worrying about this well before the weekend had started.
Hopefully we might gain some medical knowledge from this, too.
The official FIA reports might not have said specifically "it was the rain", but this was still a 100% avoidable incident considering the race could have been held during better conditions but was not. This year's moves with the VSC and earlier race starts are already at least some safety improvements. The next time the drivers, teams, media and global community repeatedly ask a question like "should we really run this race during a typhoon?" hopefully we trust out gut instinct. We'd been worrying about this well before the weekend had started.
Hopefully we might gain some medical knowledge from this, too.
I think his passing is for the best of everyone involved. From what I read about his injury, it is unlikely that the person that was Jules Bianchi survived the day of the crash. The neurological damage must have been so severe that all that was left was barely enough to keep the rest of the body from collapsing. Consciousness, personality, and memories were likely already long gone.
At least his family and friends can now try to move on with their lives.
I wonder if this will reignite the discussion about closed cockpits.
As far as I'm concerned, they're an inevitability.But they have they're own set of safety challenges that F1 needs to figure out.
devastated that he didn't make it.. from all accounts he was an awesome guy and we know he deserved way better than a Marussia in still growing F1 career.
Sad to see our long year streak of having no F1 driver die from a crash in a GP weekend ended yesterday..
and so unnecessary too since it really was a judgement error to have a crane be out there during heavy rain.
Sad to see our long year streak of having no F1 driver die from a crash in a GP weekend ended yesterday..
and so unnecessary too since it really was a judgement error to have a crane be out there during heavy rain.
Mastah
Member
...and to not slow down significantly under double yellows (which means slow down and be prepared to stop). But that is also on Charlie Whiting's side and his ridiculous "you'll be fine if we see you slowing down by few tenths" position. Unfortunately, this is the end result.
Kimi asking for a "more dangerous" F1 just shows that he has no place there anymore. Yes, I know that these guys love what they do, and I know that they understand the risks involved. But it's not funny at all when shit happens. It took 21 years for someone to die because of an accident during the race, so people might have forgotten how dangerous this could be. In just 5 years we had 3 major head injuries (Massa, de Villota and Bianchi) with two deaths. If anything, F1 needs to be safer.
Souldestroyer Reborn
Banned
RIP JB.
I remember watching the race and there was no mention of the incident for a few laps or so until people realised something had happened.
It was a seriously unfortunate incident. With the height of the crane in which JB contacted at the rear etc.
I personally don't want there to be enclosed cockpits. F1 should be open seat unless they're gonna start making Wipeout-esque tracks.
I remember watching the race and there was no mention of the incident for a few laps or so until people realised something had happened.
It was a seriously unfortunate incident. With the height of the crane in which JB contacted at the rear etc.
I personally don't want there to be enclosed cockpits. F1 should be open seat unless they're gonna start making Wipeout-esque tracks.
Starting and running the race during those conditions was not the problem. The problem was what happened after the first accident and not having the proper reaction once a crane was within the track boundaries.
I still have not too distant memories of everybody - drivers, commentators, spectators - being annoyed by races not starting due to a slightly wet track, that had so little wetness that once the racing actually began cars immediately switched to slicks.
Considering how two out of those three things happened, I would like to argue that safety conditions are actually fine when on track under green flag conditions. Not so fine is what happened during that fateful yellow. But that is certainly a different issue from what Kimi might have meant. Since I'm lacking context I can only speculate about that.
Mastah
Member
Same. I'm afraid with closed cockpit there would be even less respect for tracks, marshalls and between drivers themselves and we would see more of this:
I mean, is it a coincidence there were I think 4 huge shunts in WEC with LMP1 cars lapping backmarkers since switching to closed cockpits in 2011? Better "safety", more risks, less respect, more crashes.
Yeah, he was speaking about slow lap times and probably acres of tarmac run offs.
Jezbollah
Member
I dont think this has anything to do with closed cockpits - if a car runs under a recovery vehicle like that, it's going to deform, enclosed cockpit or not.
As harsh as it sounds, this comes down to driver responsibility mostly, and to an extent both race controls reaction and the professionalism of the marshalls. It's well established that Bianchi was going too fast for the circumstances at that corner - but in my opinion no diggers, recovery vehicles should be out unless there's a safety car out if the drivers are not going to adhere to the marshalls.
Bianchi's loss is a tragedy that originates from Martin Brundle's incident there in 1994. It's an absolute fucking shame that lessons were not learnt from then.
As harsh as it sounds, this comes down to driver responsibility mostly, and to an extent both race controls reaction and the professionalism of the marshalls. It's well established that Bianchi was going too fast for the circumstances at that corner - but in my opinion no diggers, recovery vehicles should be out unless there's a safety car out if the drivers are not going to adhere to the marshalls.
Bianchi's loss is a tragedy that originates from Martin Brundle's incident there in 1994. It's an absolute fucking shame that lessons were not learnt from then.
I disagree, mate. For me it is clear that the head of the driver is the weak point (perhaps the only one?) of these cars. Except for Massa's accident, the two others didn't happened at very high speeds, specially with de Villota. Ok, her accident was a freak crash that should never happened, but it happened, and in a very low speed. I mean, if a driver crashes at 300 KM/h, shit, that's fucked. But de Villota was going very slow when her accident happened, and Bianchi wasn't that fast either, considering the speed these cars can reach.
bobnowhere
Member
Another driver for the great racetrack in the sky.
PdotMichael
Banned
Closed cockpit could also lead to the situation that the driver is trapped in the car after a high speed crash, espencially if you want smaller cockpits and don't want to go the Le-Mans car route.
You think drivers care about whether or not they're in a closed cockpit when it comes to racing? It won't make any difference. More cars, larger speed differential between cars, and significantly longer races = significantly higher chance of crashes in endurance formulas. Not to mention the lower average skill of drivers in all series compared to F1.
Once they figure out a practical & safe solution to getting a driver out of the car in the FIA mandated 3[?] seconds with a cockpit, we'll end up with them. I doubt it'll be until after 2020, but still. We've had so many close calls during green-flag conditions over the last twenty years.