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The Formula 1 2015 Season |OT| Formula E Feeder Series
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RaySpencer
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Lewis with a new helmet this race? His 2 stars on the side were gone.
aspiegamer
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They tell the teams how long to expect the tyres to last and a maximum safe operating distance. If the teams choose to ignore those things it's not Pirelli's fault. There was a particular incident at Silverstone 2013 where there were multiple tyre explosions and in the end it was determined that all the affected cars were running suspension settings outside the parameters Pirelli had stated were safe for operation. You really can't blame them if they teams are going to take risks.
Vettel should be mad at the team. Should have pitted with 10-12 laps left for options and plowed through. That's something he's entirely capable of. Instead they left him out there knowing he was beyond the safety recommendations given and put him at risk. Had the failure played out differently (like, say, at the crest of the climb when the car gets light) it could caused a disaster.
Renault has spent millions and millions on developing this new hybrid engine and if Red Bull decides to drop them they will have to run the engines themselves if they want to get anything out of all that money.
Exactly this. It's not Pirelli's fault, it's either Vettel's if he chose to 1-stop, or the team for that same decision.
Well, good. I guess I got kind of lucky with the few minutes I managed to sneak in. Did Vettel overextend his stint on that wheel or was it just awful luck that it failed? The discussion on the last few pages seem to indicate he overextended it. A calculated risk, I guess, but a risk none the less. I don't see how the Risk/Reward stacks up for making that choice. That is easy to say when the tire failure happened already, of course, but the risks of changing vs. not changing seem to be slower time vs. risk not finishing the race. I know F1 is supposedly about pushing limits, but those were the wrong limits to push...
Bad move by Ferrari.
Mastah
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Well, well, well, look at that. It wasn't one-off
And once again it happened to right rear, exactly the same case as in 2004. Back then Michelin said their tyres weren't to blame, it was sharp kerbs. Sounds familiar, huh ? Bizarrely, all 4 punctures happend to 4 different Michelin-shodded cars, while not a single Bridgestone team was affected. Fast forward to this weekend and Pirelli say their tyres were absolutely safe, but it was "external factor" and evil Ferrari pushing over tyre life. Ah yes, "it's not us".
Race was quite boring, I don't know how anyone can be excited watching this DRS-yawnfest. Wow, he overtook another car in the middle of straight, so cool :/ Not a single battle spread over few laps with overtaking attempts and great defenses, it's either straightforward button pressing or Trulli train :/
TarpitCarnivore
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Wasn't it 2005 when almost every team pulled out of the USGP because of Michelin? If the tires were that bad and unreliable I'm sure we'd see something different. Both Vettel and Rosberg ran over kerbs seconds before their tires blew.
Mastah
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From a guy, who worked for FOM:
GTRacer said:
It was totally Pirell's fault. Why teams tried to swap tyres? Because they wanted to chase performance/life with shit 2013 tyres. Pirelli got absolutely perfect 2012 product, with only problem being narrow temperature window. Then they decided that's not good enough and trying to "spice up the show" (lol) they introduced tyres, which were already horrific during pre-season testing (few laps and they were gone with insane graining) and even before Silverstone happened, there was something like 10 failures on several different cars.
Teams were doing what were they doing all these years, but in 2013 it was too much for Pirelli.
TarpitCarnivore
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But hasn't Pirelli just been taking orders from FIA & the teams with regards to how they're making them?
I just feel like they're in a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation.
I just feel like they're in a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation.
You must have been watching a different race as there were plenty of overtakes which required multiple laps to accomplish
I'm sure you could do a 100 laps on those tyres it depends how you use them and the pace you are demanding. Considering Vettel rarely bothers keeping between the white lines or has any care when it comes to not smacking into kerbs it's no great shock that they died earlier.
Psychotext
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Yeah... I can't say I really agree with that. Tyres should lose all their performance, absolutely, that's what they were told to do. What they shouldn't do is randomly explode when they're worn out.
I assume we'll never know for sure exactly what happened to Vettel's tyre though.
Psychotext
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People died every other race at one point too. The question is, did the tyre fail because it was damaged, or because it was old. If it was damaged, no problem. If it went because it had done too many laps, that's another story.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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If anyone wants context before deciding whether to watch the above video: Justin Wilson was hit in the head by a large piece of bodywork from another car after it crashed. He's now in a coma.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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The tyres died because they were old, but should they really be exploding because they are old... He wasn't even losing that much grip. Grosjean looked good yesterday and probably wasn't going to overtake him in the next 2 laps.
Pirelli came out fighting saying they wanted a rule saying prime tyres should only be allowed to run 50% of race distance. http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/pirelli-says-it-was-ignored-over-tyre-rule-request
That's fucking dumb.
Pirelli came out fighting saying they wanted a rule saying prime tyres should only be allowed to run 50% of race distance. http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/pirelli-says-it-was-ignored-over-tyre-rule-request
That's fucking dumb.
Business
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So true, it's fine to want to make it to the end and exhaust every chance for points, but ffs get out of the way if you are a sitting duck.
Wilson in a coma after IndyCar incident.
Hope he pulls through, I wonder how many times something like this has to happen before closed cockpits become the norm. Irrespective of the category, we can still have great single-seater open wheel racing without the driver's heads being exposed at 200mph.
Hope he pulls through, I wonder how many times something like this has to happen before closed cockpits become the norm. Irrespective of the category, we can still have great single-seater open wheel racing without the driver's heads being exposed at 200mph.
Psychotext
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Fuck. =/
What does this even mean lol
Reading Autosport forums and some comments here about this somehow being Vettel / Ferrari's fault is just mind boggling. The punishment for running the tyre too long should be reduced grip, not an exploding tyre.
and the "he should have stopped attacking the kerbs"...seriously? Kerbs are there to be used, and drivers are going to use them. Trying to place random provisos to tyre usage is ridiculous
What it means?
How many drivers overtake in the last lap? Maybe you see more racing than me, but I can't recall a lot...
They all want to overtake someone on the last lap...well, on any lap really
Whether they get the opportunity or not is a different matter. That doesn't make him any more of a real racer than anyone else on the track
I'm not piling on here, but Max's driving yesterday was pretty reckless at times. Reminded me of Perez at Monaco a few years ago. But he is making races somewhat exciting though...
Maybe it's me, but I haven't seen anyone take risks like Verstappen does in a long time in F1.
How many drivers would have thought ''hey I already moved up to 8th position, I'm going to get to the finish line now and not take any risk'' ?
As said, I haven't watched a lot of F1 in the past years but the main reason for that was that it felt superboring to me, with Max in F1 I look forward to every new GP! And I don't even care that he is from the same country as me, if he was f.e. Japanese I would root for him too.