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The Formula 1 2015 Season |OT| Formula E Feeder Series
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Seems like nothing conclusive yet though.
(Kinda hope they leave. It'll be interesting that way.)
But in that case they could just partner for an F1 engine with one of them and suffer a year or two with whatever they can get.
I hope this happens and I hope any teams using a V8 get destroyed to show how stupid an idea it was.
These new engines are brilliant pieces of technology in a sport which is supposed to be a pioneer in such things
Big Takeover
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I would be cool to see V8s and the current power units share the same track, but they are so different in their power delivery. I can't imagine how'd they'd get the BoP correct. Perhaps with a significant weight reduction for the V8s. Dunno.
I agree, but in fairness, the back of the grid isn't pioneering a damn thing. They just write checks.
I agree, but in fairness, the back of the grid isn't pioneering a damn thing. They just write checks.
The only problem is the lack of development and testing. It was a silly idea to disallow most development and testing. They should have allowed more, at least in the first year of these engines. Renault and Honda would not have the problems they have if they'd been allowed to test and develop their engines better.
Its just scare mongering to force Ferrari/Merc into a deal with RBR group.
The other engines wouldn't be competitve at all IMO.
Fuel is limited to 100kg per race and these other engines were never designed to work with these tight limits.
Realistically though it wasn't unreasonable to expect that both Renault and Honda would have been able to turn up with competent engines on day 1, and obviously the rules on limited development were all agreed likely on the assumption that they would all have produced engines that were roughly in line with one another.
There's no guarantee that unlimited development wouldn't be anything other than a massive money sink either, if you look at Renault when they had the opportunity to make real progress over the winter they totally failed to so. If anything it could have allowed Merc and Ferrari to move even further ahead.
Exactly, the problem was never the new engines, only the stupid rules limiting their evolution.
Wax Free Vanilla
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Amus says Mercedes, Renault and Honda will quit if V8s are allowed, Ferrari will veto any changes.
F1 is done.
Goldrusher
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Wax Free Vanilla
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So gimped PUs will be allowed next season? Lol
32 tokens, in season development, component development not frozen.
32 tokens, in season development, component development not frozen.
Rare sighting of angry Bottas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xH5LU5-owE
I now want one of those little drift car things. I didn't realise a full-size human could fit in them.
I'd just like to see something that mixes shit up a bit. Ditch DRS, give engine developers a little more freedom but with certain exceptions to keep the competition tight. I'd love to see different teams having distinct advantages over others at different tracks.
About the 3.5L V6... what is the engine they have this year? Is it not that or a different capacity V6?
Agreed. Maybe even if they could've had weighted performance-based testing to give other manufacturers a chance to catch up. I realise that's potentially flawed, but I'm sure it'd be better than the current system.
Eh, every right to be pissed with that. Dick move from Kimi.
Pretty sure he said that last weekend while Horner was still spouting "we're still working on it".
Problem with that is there is less than zero chance of the teams agreeing to it.
Exactly. At least, Ferrari and Merc.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
What are the chances of Red Bull getting a 2015-spec engine from Mercedes?
Cheeseman Battitude
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It would be great to have something like the early 90s when V8, V10 and V12 were used.
Good luck finding new engine suppliers...
This formula sucks.
Why in HELL would someone want to develop a F1 V6 engine... considering all the trouble you'll have to go through...
"Cutting-edge engines" mean jackshit, too. Does anyone watching really care how cutting-edge they are? No, they're not faster, they sound like crap, they were terrible for the actual show.
One of the worst descisions F1 has ever made was stepping away from the V8 engines.
One of the worst descisions F1 has ever made was stepping away from the V8 engines.
Motorsport reporting that Mercedes is using brake warmer blanket, so that rear brakes are hot, when wheel is put on.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
That would in part explain their qualifying performance. It would also explain why they had too low pressures during that one race, probably due to failing brake warmers. But the sour point is that they can actually use this to cheat.
First thing I thought, the subscription rates on something like this would be pretty big
I'd be in straight away
Mastah
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Yeah, finding another 500 million dollars from streaming service. Totally not from pushing coverage worldwide to PPV, taking sponsors away from teams, destroying every smaller team because who wants to watch these peasants, squeezing every single dollar from existing circuit owners (even more expensive tickets, hello!) and saying goodbye to the presence of Silverstone, Monza, Spa or Hockenheim in the calendar, because Qatar, Thailand or Who-Knows-Where will pay ridiculous sums of money to host F1 race with empty grandstands.
yeah sure. national tv broadcasters and their advertisers are still going to pay huge amounts of cash for the rights, when there is an alternate local provider (the internet). great idea to cut your own tv revenue.
f1 is not some shit show like formula e or wrc (dont get me wrong. i love wrc, but they re not able to make proper tv revenue).
and it is not like the nba, which has a national league pass (that blacks out for games shown on national tv, because tv revenue > internet revenue) and an international league pass (without black outs), because they doesnt get any international tv contracts.
f1 gets proper tv contracts world wide nation by nation.
its a cash machine you dont want to cut. you re not getting that lovely direct subscription, because they re not able to do so. its because they would cut their own bussiness.
f1 tv ratings may be going back, but you people dont realize that its still one of the top tv happenings.
and its just amazing that some here even think that red bull could make anything close to it on its own.
What you person don't realize is that TV is an archaic concept, especially for young people. TV ratings are diminishing, which is exactly the reason why free-TV is no longer able to afford Formula One. It will take a while, but traditional TV will slowly fade away. More-over, cord-cutting is becoming more and more frequent and you need to be able to anticipate the next trend and be ahead of the curve if you wish to make money. Which is exactly why the NBA, NFL, UFC, WWE and the like all have pretty huge online subscription services by now.
Another thing you don't realize is that F1 gets a fixed income from Sky and the like for the rights to broadcast F1, the income Sky generates from subscriptions goes to them, not F1. Why is this important? Because if you could eliminate the middle man, the subscription money could go straight to your pocket. Also, you wouldn't have to keep renegotiating contracts every few years and you would be able to make your product available even in markets that are considered to niche for a traditional TV contract, exposing your product to countless of people that now rely on illegal streaming just to see your shit.
Now, could your contract with Sky be a problem right now? Sure, but your next contract could include a clause for streaming where costs are split. Where you put the Sky coverage on your streaming service for a fee to them, or where Sky gets a discount and you have income from both.
This is all based on the premise that it's one or the other, what is actually the case with F1's contract with cable companies, though, is that none of them are allowed to show old races, or any old content from previous seasons. Why is this not allowed? Because F1 wants all the rights to this. A streaming service doesn't necessarily mean live F1 races, but rather insight, documentaries, all the old races, FIA Year Reviews and much much more. All content that is ripe for monetization. Again, look at UFC, they have their shows and PPV events along with their streaming service. You mention how the NBA does regional black-outs. WWE still has their TV programming along with their Network and we could go on and on.
All that doesn't change the simple fact that having such a service = money in your pocket and CVC is just not monetizing that wealth of content that's just hanging out in some storage locker or on hard-drives somewhere.
nature boy
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I don't think any new owner will make anything different (at least not for better) - at least not until 2020.
Meanwhile, Mclaren fired Magnussen via email on his birthday - classy.
And it seems a twin turbo V6 is the alternative that the FIA will accept.
Meanwhile, Mclaren fired Magnussen via email on his birthday - classy.
And it seems a twin turbo V6 is the alternative that the FIA will accept.
It's like they don't want people to like them.
They are so far up their own arses it's unreal. Bouillier's reaction to DC trying to interview him on the grid walk and DC's subsequent burn just sums them up as a team perfectly.
And totally agree with Aii, creating a subscription service with old races etc. is pretty much a no-brainer revenue stream.
Seems Toto Wolff is pushing the third car idea still. From a cynical point of view, I can see why they'd want to dominate the podium with three cars. But his idea of 26-28 car grids, so three car teams even if Red Bull and TR stay, sounds awesome to me. Put the kids in the third car as a proving ground, keep it to only one pit box per team...That alone would create a bit of havoc in the race
JadedWriter
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Well this was fucked up. I wonder when he gets announced as a Formula E driver.
I like that they have a wall of champions and the kid pushes to the limit on every lap.
Is that tops of skyscrapers in the distance outside? Are they in a mega highrise?
Honestly I can totaly see spending myself more for F1 (which this year was nothing other than 35 for the pc game). If they can provide a good Streaming coverage akin to DTM or WEC I'm definetly ready to pay for it. I hope this "double the profits" statement is not going in the direction of even less freetv coverage.....
I never saw that interview. What happened?
ha, that was awesome. Nice work DC
nature boy
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WOW WOW
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2015/10/...ays-ecclestone-as-he-hails-blatter-and-putin/
Rest at the link.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2015/10/...ays-ecclestone-as-he-hails-blatter-and-putin/
Rest at the link.
JadedWriter
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But DC, they don't have any sponsors to give air time to.