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[Psychotext]

If they can get this together, and it doesn't require a redesign of the size zero rear end, they should be much more competitive next year. Ferrari is the only team (barely) challenging Mercedes now so for McHonda to next year would be a long shot.

Not going to happen. They already know that running at the RPMs required for the size zero rear end is all but impossible (the engineering tolerances required are beyond comprehension). They'll most likely do the sensible thing and give themselves more room to work with.

 

[Zeknurn]

http://wtf1.co.uk/red-bull-audi-f1-concept/

Whoa.

 

[dubc35]

Not going to happen. They already know that running at the RPMs required for the size zero rear end is all but impossible (the engineering tolerances required are beyond comprehension). They'll most likely do the sensible thing and give themselves more room to work with.

Thanks. I haven't looked into it too much so I wasn't sure how possible/impossible it was; looks like the latter.

http://wtf1.co.uk/red-bull-audi-f1-concept/

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Whoa.

That looks really good! ....which means it won't happen.

 

[Aiii]

You're right I wanted to witness full Honda power this year.

You did, they even made it to Q2 once or twice. Full Honda Power just isn't all that much.

Arai post Sochi:

McLaren will be the only team to challenge the Mercs next season.

 

[JadedWriter]

Not going to happen. They already know that running at the RPMs required for the size zero rear end is all but impossible (the engineering tolerances required are beyond comprehension). They'll most likely do the sensible thing and give themselves more room to work with.

From what I've read it was impossible to get the whole design philosophy working because they were setting the turbos on fire.

 

[Ark]

I want Vettel to win the title just so we can finally shut up those "he's not really that good, it was all his car" naysayer's.

Also, because of the hilarious shots of Alonso post Vettel-title win we'll get.

Do those people still exist?

 

[Chris R]

It's going to rain most of the weekend in Austin apparently.

Well fuck, now I need to pack a rain coat and umbrella

 

[JadedWriter]

Do those people still exist?

Of course. Just like if you see enough planetf1 or autosport forum posts you'll still see people claiming Hamilton is a horrible driver.

 

[RaySpencer]

http://wtf1.co.uk/red-bull-audi-f1-concept/

Whoa.

That looks amazing. I wish people who knew how to design stuff worked on actual F1 Livery's.

Then we wouldnt have stuff like the Manor Marrusia shitting up the grid:

 

[Zeknurn]

Oh shit the new season starts this weekend.



Also
@adamcooperF1: Past winner @RGrosjean has signed up for the @RaceOfChampions, so that's 5 #F1 drivers in the entry now: https://t.co/9SJCN6kkbt

 

[Mastah]

Porsche Motorsport @PorscheRaces

Welcome at the wheel of #Porsche919Hybrid. @jpmontoya is having his seat fit for the Bahrain test on Nov 22 @fiawec

Oh yes.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

Ecclestone wnats to bring back V8's from next season?

What's happening ??

 

[Aiii]

Bernie Ecclestone has told The Independent Newspaper that he would want the V8 engines compiled with a KERs package to be made available from 2016.

Due to Mercedes and Ferrari's stronghold that they have on the Formula One's Grid order, F1's Ringmaster Bernie Ecclestone feels that something needs to be done to make the sport a fairer championship - as this weekend will more than likely see Lewis Hamilton grab his 3rd World Championship with 4 races to spare. To level things out, this can be down by dropping the V6 Power Units for the V8s.

The V8 Engines will not only level the playing field, but it will also increase the noise that has been a major critique of the V6. The Independent asked Ecclestone what if the teams don't agree with the change? The Briton gave little remorse, as he felt if the teams do not like it, then they will just have to deal with it.

“I don’t think we should get consent from the teams. I think we should just do it and say to them, ‘If you don’t like it you can go to arbitration’. We could get the V8s back next year. People can build them in no time so we ought to do it.”

Ecclestone also continued his stance that the Engine Manufacturers have too much control of the sport. And what does not help the situation is that there is not any independent supplier such as a Cosworth to help with new teams or even existing ones who do not have Power Unit or are unhappy with their current supplier, IE: Red Bull and Toro Rosso.

“If Ferrari only agreed to supply one customer engine, Mercedes only agreed to supply one, nobody would have any engines. That’s exactly what the situation is. We need an independent engine supplier. I’ve been on about this now for a year and a half"

Just to provide some context to MJ's post.

But yeah, I guess Ecclestone figures he can introduce the rule, ignore the teams and then wait for them to fight it so he can drag that on long enough that there's no alternative for 2016 then to have the V8's around, even if the teams win the appeal.

 

[stryke]

Don't know much about cars, are V8s inherentely easier to make than V6+turbo and thus should level the playing field?

 

[Souldestroyer Reborn]

Don't know much about cars, are V8s inherentely easier to make than V6+turbo and thus should level the playing field?

More or less yes.

The teams had been using and designing V8's for years so all the groundwork and development is done.

V6's at this sort of spec are a really new technology for these cars so they're very much in their infancy in comparison to the V8 blocks.

 

[ramparter]

That looks really good! ....which means it won't happen.

lol, it's funny because it's so f.. true in F1.

 

[Tubie]

Would be amazing to have the V8s back.

 

[Jezbollah]

The idea of moving back to V8s is going to initially go down like a lead balloon after all the R&D that has gone into the Hybrid V6s.

 

[dubc35]

The idea of moving back to V8s is going to initially go down like a lead balloon after all the R&D that has gone into the Hybrid V6s.

I was thinking the same. I'd love them back but I doubt this will happen (in 2016 at least). Doesn't the new formula start in 2017?

 

[tomtom94]

Utterly preposterous idea that, worryingly, suggests that Bernie is losing his grip on the one thing that makes him effective in his role, namely his ability to mollify and please all of the different groups that make up F1.

 

[Aiii]

You think Bernie doesn't know exactly what he says, how he says it and when he says it?

Come on now, the guy knows exactly what he's doing.

 

[tomtom94]

You think Bernie doesn't know exactly what he says, how he says it and when he says it?

Come on now, the guy knows exactly what he's doing.

I became unconvinced of that around the time he tried and failed to get the medals system imposed on F1.

Even if he is saying it deliberately it doesn't change the fact that the idea is preposterous.

 

[Aiii]

I became unconvinced of that around the time he tried and failed to get the medals system imposed on F1.

Even if he is saying it deliberately it doesn't change the fact that the idea is preposterous.

Propose some preposterous that'll make everyone in the room go "no, Bernie, fuck off" and then proposing something more sensible that is what he actually wants to happen is what he's been doing for as long as I've been following F1.

 

[JadedWriter]

I became unconvinced of that around the time he tried and failed to get the medals system imposed on F1.

Even if he is saying it deliberately it doesn't change the fact that the idea is preposterous.

Didn't Bernie also propose random sprinklers on the track to create random wet races? Why not just turn the sport into Mario Kart while we're at it.

 

[dubc35]

Propose some preposterous that'll make everyone in the room go "no, Bernie, fuck off" and then proposing something more sensible that is what he actually wants to happen is what he's been doing for as long as I've been following F1.

Pretty much this.


PS Bernie has been on a roll lately, lol. He knows we need that silly season.

 

[Mobius 1]

Wet in Austin, dammit. It will be a harsh day down with the GA plebs

 

[Big Takeover]

I started writing a reply praising Bernie for trying to provide some institutional control since Jean Todt seems completely disinterested, but it looks like Jon Noble beat me to the punch.

 

[dubc35]

I started writing a reply praising Bernie for trying to provide some institutional control since Jean Todt seems completely disinterested, but it looks like Jon Noble beat me to the punch.

Some comments on the article (general comments, not directed at anyone)

Both Ecclestone and Mosley talked about F1 not delivering in the entertainment stakes, it being too predictable and having become more of an 'engineering' challenge rather than one for 'drivers.' Costs were also deemed out of control.

It needs to be both, but I would agree that it's too far into the engineering side right now. (Although I can be found geeking out on the engineering of the cars so it's not a complete bad thing, IMO.)

"We should be asking the public – what do you not like about F1 today and what did you like about F1 before..."

Wasn't this the purpose of the driver's survey?

There were several references throughout the interview from both Ecclestone and Mosley about the need sometimes to cause upset to make things better. And both were open that Todt is a man who prefers to avoid such conflict.

Todt's past at Ferrari for sure plays a role in this.

 

[nature boy]

Bernie has Bernie to blame, and Jean Todt is a worthless FIA president considering he's not protecting the FIA's prize asset - the F1 world championship

Bernie should of called Ferrari on their bluff and never given them the power they have now - veto, tens of millions just for showing up and letting the teams decide the rules. The best he can do now is leverage another manufacturer against Ferrari.

Dietrich Mateschitz, Sergio Marchionne, Carlos Ghosn or Dieter Zetsche have more power than Bernie. Problem is they come and go as they see fit.

 

[JadedWriter]

But Dr. Z looks like such a sweet old man on tv.

 

[Hasney]

But Dr. Z looks like such a sweet old man on tv.

I wouldn't say old, but I agree.

 

[JadedWriter]

I wouldn't say old, but I agree.

The thought of Dieter Zetsche doing the Zoidberg Whoop after every race win cracks me up, lol.

 

[Big Takeover]

I don't know if it was posted here, or not, but here's the Max & Bernie interview.

 

[Mastah]

#4ThePlayers, yo.

 

[tomtom94]

#4ThePlayers, yo.

"Oh, so that's what the Mercedes feels like."

 

[nature boy]

Oh yes.

Would love to see this happen.

Next to Graham Hill.

 

[Zeknurn]

I don't know if it was posted here, or not, but here's the Max & Bernie interview.

It's such a shame that Todt killed Mosley's chance of running for the FIA presidency. I'm sure he would do a much better job than Todt.

 

[Jezbollah]

#4ThePlayers, yo.

"my only chance of getting a trophy this year...."

 

[Massa]

"my only chance of getting a trophy this year...."

More like "Embarrassing bugs, very embarrassing" and "last gen engine! Last gen".

 

[JadedWriter]

"my only chance of getting a trophy this year...."

Maybe he can find some time to play Tales of Zestiria.

 

[Souldestroyer Reborn]

I don't know if it was posted here, or not, but here's the Max & Bernie interview.

That was a pretty good interview actually.

It really does paint a picture that Max and (suprisingly) Bernie know what the issues are, they know what to do to solve the issues, but the 'main' teams just don't give a shit and would rather remain with the 'Status Quo' if it suits them.

 

[Mastah]

It's going to rain most of the weekend in Austin apparently.

Well fuck, now I need to pack a rain coat and umbrella

Well:

Ian Fergusson ‏@fergieweather

#F1 #BBCF1 #USGP UPDATE Risk of heavy rain remains key focus Fri-Sat, with uncertain outcome at #Austin. Sun *hopefully* improved by race.

 

[chuckddd]

El Niño ain't no joke. So much rain.

 

[yami4ct]

Please be a wet race, please be a wet race.

 

[Chris R]

Please be a wet race, please be a wet race.

Wet Friday/Saturday

Possible light showers on Sunday

At least that's what it looks like. I still need to bring an umbrella I guess

 

[A Fish Aficionado]

A wet COTA?
has any race been wet there?
I'm only familiar with MotoGP and F1.

 

[Jezbollah]

That COTA turn 1 (and it's drainage) is going to be fun in the wet

 

[A Fish Aficionado]

I don't know if it was posted here, or not, but here's the Max & Bernie interview.

LiS meets politcs?

 

[Norwegian Rudo]

It's such a shame that Todt killed Mosley's chance of running for the FIA presidency. I'm sure he would do a much better job than Todt.

Fuck off. The two people most responsible for fucking up F1 are Bernie and Mosley, and it's not even close. Ignoring everything else, how can anybody forgive the "commercial rights" deal. By far the most obvious scam I've ever seen in sport and it's costing the sport hundreds of million a year.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

Fuck off. The two people most responsible for fucking up F1 are Bernie and Mosley, and it's not even close. Ignoring everything else, how can anybody forgive the "commercial rights" deal. By far the most obvious scam I've ever seen in sport and it's costing the sport hundreds of million a year.

Is it?

The new venues pay a lot of money and the TV rights at a record high. No one gives a rats ass about the fans going to the circuit except the circuit owners.

F1 is financially sound, maybe even better than ever.