JadedWriter
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The Formula 1 Off-Season |OT| Haas to get better, right?
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Graphics Horse
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Manor have gone with a Gulf colour scheme to represent the gulf between them and Mclaren.
JadedWriter
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OT should be 50 Shades of Grey then.
Psychotext
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Definitely leaning towards the 50 Shades of Grey one.
Icefire1424
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I second this. Until something better comes along, that is.
I don't know... if that story with them bringing a different engine upgrade for each week is true, we don't really have the bigger picture, this engine could be a slightly updated 2015 engine for all we know
massivekettle
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Encouraging, certainly, but the real test is when everyone turns the wick up.
Ah, thanks!
I don't know... if that story with them bringing a different engine upgrade for each week is true, we don't really have the bigger picture, this engine could be a slightly updated 2015 engine for all we know
Definitely. But if reliability is at an acceptable level, you can concentrate on performance - unlike last year where they had to concentrate for months on end to get the engine to a place where it could run at an even remotely acceptable level (and that's putting it kindly) without blowing up.
Far too early to say where they are at the moment performance wise. I would expect nowhere near the top, but maybe a bit closer to the midfield than at the end of last year (maybe).
Ferrari dominant season incoming
Barcelona preseason test #1
day 1 final times
1) Vettel 1m24.939s
2) Hamilton 1m25.409s (+0.470s)
3) Ricciardo 1m26.044s (+1.105s)
4) Bottas 1m26.091s (+1.152s)
5) Celis 1m26.298s (+1.359s)
6) Button 1m26.735s (+1.796s)
7) Sainz 1m27.180s (+2.241s)
8) Ericsson 1m27.555s (+2.616s)
9) Wehrlein 1m28.292s (+3.353s)
10) Grosjean 1m28.399s (+3.460s)
11) Palmer 1m29.356s (+4.417s)
And lap count for day 1
Hamilton - 156 (726 km)
Ericsson - 88
Ricciardo - 87
Button - 84
Bottas - 80
Vettel - 69
Celis - 58
Sainz - 55
Wehrlein - 54
Palmer - 37
Grosjean - 31
Barcelona preseason test #1
day 1 final times
1) Vettel 1m24.939s
2) Hamilton 1m25.409s (+0.470s)
3) Ricciardo 1m26.044s (+1.105s)
4) Bottas 1m26.091s (+1.152s)
5) Celis 1m26.298s (+1.359s)
6) Button 1m26.735s (+1.796s)
7) Sainz 1m27.180s (+2.241s)
8) Ericsson 1m27.555s (+2.616s)
9) Wehrlein 1m28.292s (+3.353s)
10) Grosjean 1m28.399s (+3.460s)
11) Palmer 1m29.356s (+4.417s)
And lap count for day 1
Hamilton - 156 (726 km)
Ericsson - 88
Ricciardo - 87
Button - 84
Bottas - 80
Vettel - 69
Celis - 58
Sainz - 55
Wehrlein - 54
Palmer - 37
Grosjean - 31
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
For reference:
Full combined results from four days of pre-season 2015 F1 testing in Jerez, Spain.
1. Kimi Raikkonen Finland Ferrari-Ferrari 1m 20.841s 200 laps
2. Sebastian Vettel Germany Ferrari-Ferrari 1m 20.984s 149 laps
3. Felipe Nasr Brazil Sauber-Ferrari 1m 21.545 197 laps
4. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes-Mercedes 1m 21.982s 308 laps
5. Marcus Ericsson Sweden Sauber-Ferrari 1m 22.019s 185 laps
6. Lewis Hamilton Britain Mercedes-Mercedes 1m 22.172s 208 laps
7. Felipe Massa Brazil Williams-Mercedes 1m 22.276s 144 laps
8. Valtteri Bottas Finland Williams-Mercedes 1m 22.319s 134 laps
9. Max Verstappen Netherlands Toro Rosso-Renault 1m 22.553s 170 laps
10. Pastor Maldonado Venezuela Lotus-Mercedes 1m 22.716s 137 laps
http://www.crash.net/f1/results/214427/1/jerez-f1-test-times-combined.html#PEoRWg3ALCefXuVJ.99
Bleak Haas?
JadedWriter
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Mercedes clearly just loaded that thing up with fuel and are just pounding laps looking for reliability problems.
Hence you award points for Qualifying. I really like all three suggestions, but I'm also not vehemently against sprinklers either and would reduce free practice to zero. I want to see drivers make mistakes when it counts or being able to take a higher risk when not knowing the limits of the track perfectly well and thus shaking up the predictability of the field for a bit. Oh well...
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Whereas Ferrari needed to know if their radical design would actually go quick.
Reverse grids don't go on qualifying, they go on last race result. Generally when a league has a sprint and feature race in the same weekend.
JadedWriter
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Yeah at times testing rarely truly shows the pecking order. It helps you see who's going to be reliable, but even that's not always the case. McLaren 2011 and Red Bull 2014 kind of proved that wrong. Deadly accurate with Honda last year though.
Icefire1424
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...to which I don't think anyone would want to see with F1.
If I may ask, why did you reply to me and not the one I replied to? I'm well aware of how things are usually handled, but there's not that much reason why they can't be done a different way.
Manor.
brotkasten
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Weirdly enough, it was the Toro Rosso with the gearbox issue.
They do have a great rear package, though.
JadedWriter
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It might be too tight back there, you never know, but I wasn't counting on them having problems. They're using last years Ferrari engine right? They might have problems adapting the package due to the size differences.
Jezbollah
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From the feedback he's given out, it seems like the McLaren Honda package in general is much more refined in terms of integration, and that both chassis and engine are responding positively to the small amount of changes they have done so far. I'm looking forward to seeing what Honda bring in the next few weeks, but I think we might be able to say that they're certainly on par with the Renault now.
Dat ultra-soft, looking fancy !
dukeoflegs
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Looks like I'll be watching this year. I didn't watch last year and only watched 5 races the year before, it didn't capture me like in previous seasons. I'll definitely be cheering on Haas, I like underdogs and I am an American so gotta cheer on your homies.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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That Manor is gorgeous.
Icefire1424
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I will go on record and say I am quite a bit more eager for this season than I was last year. There definitely seems to be the potential for more competition across a few teams, at the very least.
And as an America, yea, I want to see Haas do well, but I'll still be pulling for Ferrari. Blame my being a Schumi fan as a kid for that one.
And as an America, yea, I want to see Haas do well, but I'll still be pulling for Ferrari. Blame my being a Schumi fan as a kid for that one.
brotkasten
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Banned for being a tifoso. I will miss you, old friend. Shall German Jesus get us the title this year.
Ferrari looks worse on the track than on the pictures. Also Spanish media aka Abad's close buddies are not going into hysteria, so the McHonda must not be that quick.
Just wait until they merge the mark I and mark II engines that will have good reliability during testing and then in Melbourne the mark III engine will explode in less than 10 laps.
It just shows Honda doesn't have any solid development plan. You don't make 2 different engines hoping one of them actually works.
Just wait until they merge the mark I and mark II engines that will have good reliability during testing and then in Melbourne the mark III engine will explode in less than 10 laps.
It just shows Honda doesn't have any solid development plan. You don't make 2 different engines hoping one of them actually works.
JadedWriter
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Maybe they think the Voltron method of combining actually works.
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