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The GAF POP |OT| of Diversity, Hidden Talent, and Stan Wars
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I'm referring to her Ryan Tedder - "Mr. Know it All" kerfluffle, which was honestly where I cashed in my fan card.
*Listens*
That's...a lot of Rock.
No fair. You posted 2 tracks from the album era I've gone on record as saying was the ONE by her I enjoyed.
That's understandable. I'm just of the opinion that technical ability and "fundamentals" aren't the end-all when you still have the ability to sing well, which Christina does. In her comfort range, particularly her lower to mid belt range where she is able to achieve the most power and resonance without straining her larynx, she has great tone and pitch, and near unparalleled interpretive ability (when it comes to contemporary Pop singers, at least). And she delivers stunning live performances when she sticks to this range. With her current technique she's delivered 4 diverse albums, and two exciting tours. I can't take that away from her just because her "fundamentals" aren't all there.
Then again, I tend to have an appreciation for singers who manage to sing well despite lacking a formal technique (and maybe having a few destructive habits). That Fantasia Barrino is still my favorite Idol winner is telling (and don't give me shit for that lol).
Granted, I'm excited that Christina is getting formal coaching (something she actually SHUNNED for a while), because I want her to be able to sing the way she does for a really long time, and because I do believe she has the ability to actually broaden her range with some good instruction, even at this point in her development. But the fact that she hasn't really done so until now doesn't detract from the material she's recorded leading up to this point, because she simply wouldn't have been able to record half of it if she didn't have one of the best voices in the industry. Certainly not a voice that could be ignored simply because some fundamentals are lacking.
But that may just be me.
Another interesting thought: a lot of people credit her singing ability with mimicking singers like Mariah and Whitney as a child, and that's partially true. But I think it's believable that Christina's telling the god's honest truth when she says Etta James was her real childhood role models. Apart from melisma (which Etta didn't do a whole lot of) Christina sings more like her than either Whitney and Mariah. Etta James had a tendency to raise her larynx on the high notes, an inclination toward raspiness and shouting, and no strong vibrato to speak of.
But, she went on to release timeless music and is considered one of the premier vocalists of her era....
Absolutely disagree. Of course we're not talking "Me Against The Music" era Britney with god-tier choreography here, but that is some intense choreography to be doing while singing and NOT having musical theater training. It's not so much the rapid arm movements, as those are easy to pull off while singing relatively demanding music (and something a lot of singers do). It's the fast paced strutting and the constant level changing - going down to the floor and then back again. That's the kind of stuff that literally forces the air right out of you, not to mention fucks with your ear.
Pop singer or not, it's very impressive that she was able to sing that particular song and keep up with the majority of the choreography. Only Beyonce matches her in that regard.
krypt0nian
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Yeah I retreated to Mariah's Emotions. Feels good man.
Phonomezer
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Haha Kylie. Jesus.
Phonomezer
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Haha Pariah. Jesus.
krypt0nian
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I guess you're just playing a character now. Because Aphrodite is heads and tails above MDNA.
And Vintage Mariah slays Madonna any day of the week, both in vocal talent and quality of songs.
Real talk. Not silly gurl pop GAF.
And Vintage Mariah slays Madonna any day of the week, both in vocal talent and quality of songs.
Real talk. Not silly gurl pop GAF.
Phonomezer
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I haven't bothered with Kylie since the abysmal Body Language.
As for Pariah, I'm just going to pretend I didn't read that.
As for Pariah, I'm just going to pretend I didn't read that.
i guess i could listen to a collection b-sides from blackout era britney, but to be honest i feel like i've given MDNA a fair chance already
X and Aphrodite are solid. They've not revolutionised pop but at least I can listen to them all the way through without skipping tracks.
krypt0nian
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Pretend you didn't read what? The truth? I'd love to hear you argue either Madonna's *cough* vocal talent, or the quality of the songs on MDNA compared to Emotions.
No, nevermind. That pretty much confirms my suspicions.
Phonomezer
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I've only heard one song from X and it reminded me of I Believe In You... which I REALLY didn't like. I just assumed she was going in that direction with the whole album. I love her classics though.
The singles from Emotions were excellent. I can't be bothered with the rest of the filler. She was incredibly dull and benign back then, thank god for MIMI.
I don't think anybody would dispute the vocals.
Ya'll better stan the Bajan Queen right now. Rihalla has now achieved 30 TOP #30 HITS, with Birthday Cake, a non-single interlude, entering the TOP 30.
"Pon de Replay"
"SOS"
"Unfaithful"
"Break It Off"
"Umbrella"
"Shut Up and Drive"
"Hate That I Love You"
"Don't Stop the Music"
"Take a Bow"
"Disturbia"
"Rehab"
"Russian Roulette"
"Hard"
"Rude Boy"
"Only Girl (In the World)"
"What's My Name?"
"S&M"
"Cheers (Drink to That)"
"We Found Love"
"You Da One"
"Birthday Cake"
"Live Your Life"
"Run This Town"
"Love the Way You Lie"
"All of the Lights"
"Fly"
"Princess of China"
"Take Care"
"Just Stand Up!"
"Stranded (Haiti Mon Amour)"
Im sorry your faves just.cant.do.it.
"Pon de Replay"
"SOS"
"Unfaithful"
"Break It Off"
"Umbrella"
"Shut Up and Drive"
"Hate That I Love You"
"Don't Stop the Music"
"Take a Bow"
"Disturbia"
"Rehab"
"Russian Roulette"
"Hard"
"Rude Boy"
"Only Girl (In the World)"
"What's My Name?"
"S&M"
"Cheers (Drink to That)"
"We Found Love"
"You Da One"
"Birthday Cake"
"Live Your Life"
"Run This Town"
"Love the Way You Lie"
"All of the Lights"
"Fly"
"Princess of China"
"Take Care"
"Just Stand Up!"
"Stranded (Haiti Mon Amour)"
Im sorry your faves just.cant.do.it.
Go back to stanning for Old Britney. At least she could dance.
I would like to start in medias res with this, because I do believe we have found the true source of your shade towards Ms. Clarkson!
You're still upset about Ms Clarkson effortlessly outsinging and upstaging your girl when they sang together live!
:3
I don't take it away from her. I just think all that happens to place her a tier below the other singers I'm talking about.
She's obviously above the jokes like Rihanna or Taylor Swift. She's above the passable vocalists like post-Evita Madonna. But once we start hitting the singers who are hit a decent level of talent combined with a better technical ability (or perhaps more to the point, better singing habits), I think she falls off and no longer keeps up. So to continue with the idea of placing them in tiers, I would call her upper mid tier, with potential to move to upper or even top tier (though that might be beyond her at this point) with proper lab work, but not quite there at this point.
From what little I've seen, Beyonce effortlessly slays everyone in pop music in that particular department.
Christina does not have musical theatre training, no, but she has been doing the singing-and-choreography thing for over ten years now - even longer if you go back to her childhood performance days. It's not like she is in the "classical singer now learning to move and sing for the first time" category (and that obviously would be a particular sort of hell for a classically-trained singer, with all of the emphasis on posture and position of your neck and head and alignment and all that, and then just suddenly losing all of that base as you're moving). I think you're making an apples-and-oranges comparison when you compare the experience of the people in your choir to the base of experience I think Christina has.
I suppose it is possible that the real issue was simply that she wasn't in the best of shape and so that light amount of movement combined with singing wore her out. But I thought her struggles were palpable.
After listening to this constantly the last few days, not only is it better than anything on MDNA, I also think I prefer it over 'On the Floor'.
That is for real very impressive, but allow me to be snarky.
We all know she didn't do anything but sing on this track.
She can thank Godplay for this one.you should be nicer to Gaga sis, after all she is kind enough to take your fave for a walk
You're sure don't seem mind when an alpaca is always the lead in your fave's videos.
Katy Perry's 'Part Of Me' Film Inspired By Madonna
Her honesty is welcomed when other unscrupulous acts go out of their way to copy the Queen's every move and then turn around and pretend they're being original.
It's what makes the difference between an artist and a con artist.
I am still waiting for Madonna's honesty towards copying Marilyn Monroe
Well that isn't hard to do, almost anything is better than MDNA
but yes Dance Again is miles better
That is for real very impressive, but allow me to be snarky.
We all know she didn't do anything but sing on this track.
That's applied to most of her hits though. Nevertheless, I thank Godplay for giving and writing this song with Rih in my mind. It was for her 2009 album Rated R.
does day and night remind anyone else of the theme tune to the 90s xmen cartoon?
Crumpet Trumpet
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Yeah, there are some similarities to that Bruno Mars song I suppose. It's not as insultingly obvious as the Halo/Already Gone connection. I'm a lot more disappointed that My Life Would Suck Without You (and now I Forgive You) are shameless, basic Since U Been Gone retreads and that she hasn't mentioned anything about it.
I think it's clear by now that Rock is one of her preferred genres. I think I'd rather her continue to evolve her sound in this way than try to reinvent herself every single album...which can be risky, especially when critics aren't here for it.
Haha. Well I don't know how to say it. I've been to her concerts during the Breakaway and Stronger eras and her improvement in everything from stage presence to vocals is remarkable. She's obviously not a performer in the Christina/Beyonce/P!nk sense of the word, though. More of an Adele.
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Retread sounds too dismissive, it's just a certain style of music. You Can't Win, Don't Be A Girl About It and Tell Me A Lie are very similar as well.
Can't believe I'm coming to her defense, and against you of all people
Crumpet Trumpet
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The God of Nonexistence
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Crumpet Trumpet
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They ungrew on me
That review is embarrassing because I was in hyper stan mode
That review is embarrassing because I was in hyper stan mode
More at sourceThe Hollywood Reporter said:
No me gusta the lead single.
... and he has way too much clothing on.
The God of Nonexistence
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I wish I were that puppy.
Cyno is back
you britney stans better keep it cute
None of us Brit stans were coming for her lol it was all Koohovah (im selling you out sis. RIP)
Truth, just like X took a steaming dump on Hard Candy.
I knew the SECOND I typed that you were going to go there. lol
No, I loved Fantasia because she was such an exciting, entertaining, passionate singer, and her vocals were just good enough (still good enough), to convey this each and every week. 8 seasons later and we've still to really have a contestant on Idol turn that stage out like she did.
And this is just where we'll have to continue to disagree. I think that Christina's understanding of her voice, versatility, and musicality makes her one of the best contemporary pop singers, period. But, I don't think we were ever going to agree with this. LOL
I can't wait to hear the results of her work with Seth Riggs, though. From her performance of "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas" back in December of last year, you can already hear her sounding stronger and more relaxed than any of her Bionic-era performances, and she had only just started worked with Seth. That head voice moment...
Uhhh, Christina is hosting a popular singing competition, and working with some of the hottest producers in the biz on an anticipated comeback album. Leona has an album coming out...I think.
The God of Nonexistence
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I would have been remiss in my duties if I hadn't!
I'll give you versatility. I think she has some understanding of her voice, obviously (you can't sound that big with *nothing*), but her musicality is... well sometimes it is good (in her comfort range), but above and below that it is... *insert that side-eye emoticon Crumpet's always posting that I'm too lazy to look for*
That's the biggest thing for her. When you listen to that performance of Beautiful, she sounds, well, beautiful (until the two times she leaves her comfort range and belts "way"). She also sounds great here. She sounds effortless and relaxed, because she's staying in her comfort range - before she starts her habit of raising her larynx and before she goes lower and starts losing her ability to project.
And I think if this vocal training works out for her that she's probably going to gain a good half octave on either end of comfortable range, which is great. And that head voice moment was great. It sounded more connected than her usual head voice.
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ATTN Delio: Wand Erection is going to be on SNL tonight! Our boys are really going places.
Phonomezer
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No not really, just more embarrassing dance-lite coming out of the US. Nothing new.
love it
Christina's last album went stainless steel, and she's 1/4 of the judges on the second most popular singing competition. And Leona hasn't had a hint of relevance in forever.
SecretMoblin
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I don't care if it technically belongs in this thread, but Beth Ditto and Gossip don't deserve to be on the same page as all of these lessors.
Crumpet Trumpet
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I see how he won Idol. He snatched the gay vote right from under Adam, didn't he?
P.S. I just listened to this:
My review: Damn, yo
I see how he won Idol. He snatched the gay vote right from under Adam, didn't he?
P.S. I just listened to this:
My review: Damn, yo
O_O
WHERE THE HELL HAVE YOU BEEN!?
Crumpet Trumpet
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Right? I mean, I've heard a few of her singles before (Why is one of my favorite songs of ALL TIME) and my family is obsessed with Eurythmics but I never took the time to delve into Annie. I'mma start listening to her albums soon
ATTN Delio: Wand Erection is going to be on SNL tonight! Our boys are really going places.
YAS I've been waiting for this all day.
Well...
I am now!
P.S. I just listened to this:
My review: Damn, yo
I love her lower register *oh so much.* She also has a gorgeous upper register (well she sounds a bit tight on some notes, but for her voice type it's great!) and head voice.
Phonomezer
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Annie Lennox is one of those human beings you wish would stay on the Earth forever.
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