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The General Star Trek Thread of Earl Grey Tea, Baseball, and KHHHAAAANNNN
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SeventhSon
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This might be something interesting to reference as you go through TNG, http://www.tor.com/features/series/star-trek-the-next-generation-rewatch
It's a complete series rewatch with notes. The writer is currently in the midst of DS9.
It's a complete series rewatch with notes. The writer is currently in the midst of DS9.
WhiskeyDiver
Member
Yeah that stuck me as odd that you never saw a Sovereign class in any of the battles considering they were the strongest class of ships the feddies had up to and probably a bit a ways beyond the Nemesis film.
Edit: It could be one of those things where they didn't want their best ships being used as fodder for large scale combat.
Well either way it's one of those annoying things where all those ships they invented for First Contact (including the Sovereign itself) never really saw any appearances beyond the Akira anywhere else.
If they do another old Trek series I'd love for them to finally retire some of the old models and either give them a facelift so they feel like they belong in the same time period or just create new classes. It's kind of bizarre the Miranda and Excelsior classes have been in operation for a hundred years without any external changes.
Henchmen21
Banned
To be fair TNG did give us a few new classes. Constellation class, Ambassador class, and Soyuz class to name some.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060628111347/startrek/images/9/9b/Defiant_fleet.jpg
Steamrunner, Akira and Sabres were shown in DS9. I think I remember seeing a Norway class as well...
Steamrunner, Akira and Sabres were shown in DS9. I think I remember seeing a Norway class as well...
BrokenEchelon
Banned
I've seen TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY at least two times through fully. (TNG is probably past three full series viewings at this point >_>)
I've seen all of the movies multiple times, First Contact and Wrath of Khan probably numbering in the double digits at this point.
And now, finally, at the ass end of 2013 I've started my first ever run of Enterprise.
Part of me has kept putting it off because people shat on it SO much, but I also think I've put it off because in a lot of ways it symbolizes the end of Star Trek. It's the last piece of Star Trek media to come out before Abrams Trek, and nearly a decade after its conclusion we're still without a new Star Trek TV show.
I'm only five episodes in, but it's growing on me slowly. It's rough around the edges, character chemistry is struggling, acting is a mixed bag, but it feels like they're getting their footing.
I instantly liked Phlox. I started giving a shit about Trip after his first "contact" on the alien ship. Archer is still in limbo; it's like he's still waiting on the sidelines. When he's on the bridge it feels more like he's walking in there to check out a room and see what's going on instead of being the Captain.
T'Pol is like an annoying Spock. She's too snide and judging, but I understand her whole schtick will be to argue with Archer over and over until they become friends and learn to trust each other. Jury's still out but I think both of them have the potential to become good characters.
By the way, does it annoy the living shit out of anyone else that T'Pol uses contractions? Is she the first major Vulcan character to do so?
Hoshi is about as interesting as a rock.
Black guy is black guy whose name I can't even remember. Then there's other white guy whose name I also can't remember yet. So those two are definitely the weakest characters so far IMO.
Overall I'm looking forward to the adventure, and from bits and pieces of I've read here it seems like the show does actually find its way in the second half.
One other thing: I love the intro + song. Love it.
I've seen all of the movies multiple times, First Contact and Wrath of Khan probably numbering in the double digits at this point.
And now, finally, at the ass end of 2013 I've started my first ever run of Enterprise.
Part of me has kept putting it off because people shat on it SO much, but I also think I've put it off because in a lot of ways it symbolizes the end of Star Trek. It's the last piece of Star Trek media to come out before Abrams Trek, and nearly a decade after its conclusion we're still without a new Star Trek TV show.
I'm only five episodes in, but it's growing on me slowly. It's rough around the edges, character chemistry is struggling, acting is a mixed bag, but it feels like they're getting their footing.
I instantly liked Phlox. I started giving a shit about Trip after his first "contact" on the alien ship. Archer is still in limbo; it's like he's still waiting on the sidelines. When he's on the bridge it feels more like he's walking in there to check out a room and see what's going on instead of being the Captain.
T'Pol is like an annoying Spock. She's too snide and judging, but I understand her whole schtick will be to argue with Archer over and over until they become friends and learn to trust each other. Jury's still out but I think both of them have the potential to become good characters.
By the way, does it annoy the living shit out of anyone else that T'Pol uses contractions? Is she the first major Vulcan character to do so?
Hoshi is about as interesting as a rock.
Black guy is black guy whose name I can't even remember. Then there's other white guy whose name I also can't remember yet. So those two are definitely the weakest characters so far IMO.
Overall I'm looking forward to the adventure, and from bits and pieces of I've read here it seems like the show does actually find its way in the second half.
One other thing: I love the intro + song. Love it.
Lucky Forward
Member
No...Vulcans have always used contractions. You're thinking of Data.
A quick search easily turned up these quotes from Spock in TOS:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series
GungHo
Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
They irradiated their own planet.
BrokenEchelon
Banned
How odd. I have no idea why I thought that.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
In the book timeline, the Enterprise was dealing with the occupation of Betazed during the war.
Lucky Forward
Member
Well, you weren't the only one:
http://star-trek.answers.wikia.com/...ractions_when_Spock_can't_and_he's_half-human
BrokenEchelon
Banned
Maybe it was just the fact that Spock speaks slower, firmly and enunciates harder.
"No Captain, I do not believe that blah blah blah"
Instead of "I don't think so."
SeventhSon
Member
funkystudent
Member
I remember a green or blue dress that had some ridiculous cleavage. Maybe its that.
SeventhSon
Member
DrForester
Kills Photobucket
Troi looked so much better in S7 when she was in a real uniform.
So did Seven...
So did Seven...
Henchmen21
Banned
It was teal actually.
Troi looked so much better in S7 when she was in a real uniform.
So did Seven...
I disagree.
Notice how the sciences/medical uniforms go from deep rich blue to almost green. It's like season 1 tng has a dark blue then by season 3 with the introduction of the redesign it gets lighter and with each subsequent iteration gets more green. It's like someone left a green sock in the wash with the uniforms.
I prefer them in the uniforms too, but I agree that the blue color looked better than the more real we got later. In Generations the new uniforms actually had that matching deep blue and they looked great.
Kinda like how DS9 ruined the FC uniforms by having the front slits different on every character; they made it look like they were ill-tailored on everyone.
(Also Kira also looks better in a uniform, so she can join the club.)
Henchmen21
Banned
DS9 had awful uniforms to begin with. The DS9 uni's were just the Starfleet Cadet uni's from the episode "The First Duty" with the collars removed and a v-neck put in it's place with an undershirt. Looked hideous to me imo.
Oh I agree that the jumpsuit look wasn't great, but they screwed up the FC replacements. Although now that I think about it, it was an issue with the DS9/VOY ones on that show too.
In FC, while there were minor variations everyone's uniform had a lot more consistency. Ezri shows up fairly similar:
But Bashir always has an outer jumpsuit that doesn't fit right, with a skinny slit in the front...
Sisko's cut extends just to the base of the grey shoulder yoke, but his yoke extends far lower than everyone elses...
And O'Brien always had a massive open front, with a different fit on the front.
Yeah, I know, it's OCD, but it just really got to me. They also increased the height of the collar which makes some of characters looks really odd.
EDIT: Yeah and looking back the bluer tone looked a lot better on the DS9/VOY uniforms. Wonder why it was changed for DS9.
Bonus bad tailoring job from S1!
DrForester
Kills Photobucket
Well, they're zippers aren't they? They're not cut differently.
BrokenEchelon
Banned
SeventhSon
Member
It's a wonder Barclay doesn't run around adjusting everyone's slides to the same proper height.
Troi looked so much better in S7 when she was in a real uniform.
So did Seven...
Maybe if you have a Starfleet uniform fetish...
SeventhSon
Member
DrForester
Kills Photobucket
This dress just won't go away....I'm seeing it again. Her breasts are wayyy out there. She must've had objections to this dress right?
Henchmen21
Banned
SeventhSon
Member
lastplayed
Member
Never understood the love for the Nebula. It looks like a kitbash.
lastplayed
Member
It is a kitbash. With subtle differences of course.
My point is it doesn't look designed. It should be a random ship in the background not something they brought out as a major ship several times.
lastplayed
Member
Maybe they were trying to emulate the Reliant, using existing engines and saucer configurations. It's not unprecedented in military history.
Yeah it's obviously an attempt to copy the reliant, but it doesn't work nearly as well. The reliant looked kind of sleek, the bubbliness of the TNG-era starfleet works against that.
Yeah the Galaxy doesn't feel modular anyhow, so the Nebula looks a lot like you just took a Galaxy-class ship and pounded it so that its nacelles were pushed down and its neck was squashed into the hull.
I'd love to see the old classes refreshed. Excelsior could get a modern treatment like the Sovereign--just extend the neck forward, slope the back and have the nacelle struts come off the hull at a windswept angle. The Miranda would probably need more work to make it fit the aesthetic.