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The General Star Trek Thread of Earl Grey Tea, Baseball, and KHHHAAAANNNN
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I just watched the "Cogenitor" episode of Enterprise and wow.
Fucking Trip man, meddling in other cultures without the thought of repercussion or consequence. Then, Archer gets angry at him for basically taking cues from his captain. Yes, John, this is in part your fault. The entire episode is a manifestation of Archers incessant meddling in alien cultures. I have a feeling that this is one of the best episodes of Trek that I will see.
AFAIK, in the modern American military (and maybe a few others), everyone anywhere is always referred to as either "sir" or "ma'am", unless they have an obviously displayed rank, in which case it might be taken as an insult to refer to them by anything other than their rank.jaxword said:
In Starfleet, everyone is referred to as "sir", regardless of gender. "Ma'am" has been basically abolished. There's actually an exchange about it in the first episode of Voyager.
Janeway: "Ensign, despite Starfleet protocol, I don't like being addressed as 'sir.'"
Kim: "I'm sorry ... ma'am?"
Janeway: "'Ma'am' is acceptable in a crunch, but I prefer 'Captain.'"
I'm actually kind of surprised at how well that line indicates that it's possible for Janeway to be strong and female at the same time. And all she had to do is throw out Roddenberry's/Starfleet's progressive notions of female equality.
The Technomancer
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Its funny that "These Are The Voyages" is supposed to be so terrible since "The Pegasus" is probably one of my favorite arcs of TNG. (Never watched Enterprise, going by Wikipedia here)
BattleMonkey
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SumPog said:
DS9 is great, probably the best Trek.
DrForester
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ruby_onix said:
Voyager had a strong premiere. I think the biggest problem was Janeway's personality changed every episode.
benjipwns
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I think it's just shorthand ease within the ship, they just picked one designation instead of the many possible selections. You also have to remember it's from like 1982 and written as a Naval film more than almost anything else Trek has done.B.K. said:
Awesome.SumPog said:
The_Technomancer said:
Part of me didn't mind it but I do hate it in others as it take take away from the ENT casts final episode, completely overshadowed by Troi and Riker appearing. Heck, it's all on a holodeck ffs.
I remember reading somewhere that the ENT cast hated the final episode too.
SumPog said:
Really, really worth it.
Nexus Zero
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SumPog said:
It is in my top 3 TV series, certainly my favourite sci-fi ever (even ahead of BSG and B5, which are both excellent). It almost pains me that I have a social life now and have to sacrifice the ability to stay in every night smoking weed and watching a season per week! :lol
DrForester
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kharma45 said:
People who played Trip and T'pol didn't even attend the cast wrap party.
ruby_onix said:
Star Trek is very similar to our Navy. Same ranks of officers, with their collar pips mirroring our ranks. Example. Four stripes is a navy captain, 4 filled in dots is a federation captain. 2 regular stripes and 1 small stripe is LCDR navy. 2 filled in dots and 1 hollow dot is federation LCDR. Naval Line officers have command capability and staff officers do not. Federation depicts the staff officers as wearing blue uniforms. (came into play more starting with TNG. In the original series Spock wore blue as the science officer but was still second in command. )
You have a commanding officer (Picard) in charge, an executive officer in charge of ship's day to day operations of the entire crew. (riker...held department head meetings and discussed ship's watchbills). You have the third in succession of command, usually your Operations Officer (data). Red alert is like general quarters and people have battlestations during that event. A smaller shore command may have an enlisted man like a Chief Obrien in charge as the command's engineering department head.
Being in the Navy for as long as I have, it's interesting to spot all this stuff. Battlestar Gallactica had a ton of it too.
As far as the sir and ma'am part. Only when addressing officers of higher rank than yourself. Otherwise title and name is used in a formal environment. People of equal rank just use first names in an informal environment. Also at times it is acceptable to use Mr. like they do a lot in Star Trek. (Mr. Sulu instead of LCDR Sulu. )
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
With the rich tradition and history that the Enterprise name bears, it's not surprising really.BigDug13 said:
Also:
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Starfleet_ranks
Mr. Pointy
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If OzTrekkies are interested, John de Lancie ([Patrick Stewart voice]Q[/Patrick Stewart voice]) is narrating Peer Gynt at the Sydney Opera House in February. I dunno whether wearing a Trek uniform is correct etiquette for these circumstances.
http://www.sydneysymphony.com/seaso...ebook&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=StarTrek
http://www.sydneysymphony.com/seaso...ebook&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=StarTrek
JoshuaJSlone
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That's one of the reasons it's so bad. It takes what was a good TNG episode, and makes Riker look like a dumbass in the parts we weren't seeing.The_Technomancer said:
Henchmen21
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It really is the pinnacle of Season 2.kharma45 said:
Drumhead is also great just for the Picard trial at the end. Just love the way after that betazed interrogator insults Worf and Worf is about to kill him, Picard just has to say "Lieutenant" and Worf backs down. No other man could do that.
Saw this at Fatwallet.
Amazon has a DVD-ROM collection of every Star Trek comic released (supposedly including the movie comics, according to a review of the stand-alone movie comics disc collection) from 1967 to 2002. I guess that means it won't have anything from Enterprise or Star Trek 2009, but that's still over 500 various issues of stuff, all for $6.99. I was going to get some as gifts, but unfortunately there's a limit of one per person for some reason.
Amazon has a DVD-ROM collection of every Star Trek comic released (supposedly including the movie comics, according to a review of the stand-alone movie comics disc collection) from 1967 to 2002. I guess that means it won't have anything from Enterprise or Star Trek 2009, but that's still over 500 various issues of stuff, all for $6.99. I was going to get some as gifts, but unfortunately there's a limit of one per person for some reason.
JoshuaJSlone
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At that price, anyone interested in Star Trek enough to be looking in this thread should get their money's worth.
I am curious as to what crazy stories they would have put into the comics during the TOS era, considering the stuff they had in the animated series. I have a couple issues of TNG comics, and they were fairly reasonable; I'm just guessing that they were probably rather far out in those days. Too bad none of it can be considered canon.
Mine is IV because it's a comedic fish out of water Trek, which is usually my favorite Trek. But VI is my favorite cinematically. It's so good. Just amazing.Lard said:
Speaking of DS9, I recently started watching through it again. Haven't gotten far yet though. Only up to about 3/4th of the way through season 1. (Not even up to Dramatis Personae yet!) Most of these episodes I haven't seen in over a decade. The rest not since before 2006 when they reran on Spike constantly.
Gary Whitta
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Calling all Trek fans! Tomorrow I'll be part of an all-day Star Trek: The Next Generation MLK Day marathon featuring such Giant Bomb/Tested/Whiskey Media luminaries as Ryan Davis, Will Smith, Norman Chan, Brad Shoemaker, Ana Hurka-Robles, Alex Navarro and more!
The event will be livestreamed on www.tested.com/live and probably on a couple of our personal justin.tv channels. Details to follow on Twitter - follow @garywhitta and @nchan
More information and full marathon playlist can be found at http://gwhitta.blogspot.com/
Join us tomorrow!
The event will be livestreamed on www.tested.com/live and probably on a couple of our personal justin.tv channels. Details to follow on Twitter - follow @garywhitta and @nchan
More information and full marathon playlist can be found at http://gwhitta.blogspot.com/
Join us tomorrow!
DrForester
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Gary Whitta said:
Nice job scheduling Nth Degree so you guys can leave and get lunch. Looks like a great lineup.
I have work tomorrow. But have fun.
Gary Whitta
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Whatever, Nth Degree is good! Barclay rules!DrForester said:
There's actually a lot more I wanted to include - Frame of Mind, Tapestry, The Wounded, Captain's Holiday, Deja Q, Disaster... but some brutal cuts had to be made. I argued against Lower Decks but was outvoted.
DrForester
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Gary Whitta said:
You heartless bastard....
Guardian Bob
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Topher said:
Yeah, that one gets debates a lot. And that makes for some great Trek.
Gary Whitta
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Nobody cares about redshirts!DrForester said:
DrForester
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I liked Barklay, I just didn't care for The Nth Degree. Wasn't a terrible episode, just not a great one.
Gary Whitta
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WTF.Pinzer said:
What is it with Rodenberry's obsession with high ranking officers romancing? And it's the human guy and the female with telepathy/psychic powers.
It's the guy and girl (god it's been so long I forgot their names)Illyana and Decker I think? then he brought the same idea over to TNG with Troi and Riker.
It's the guy and girl (god it's been so long I forgot their names)Illyana and Decker I think? then he brought the same idea over to TNG with Troi and Riker.
JoshuaJSlone
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Since Barclay has come up, I'll point to this clip. For whatever reason today I had the urge to see Picard chagrined at calling him Broccoli.
I love how transparently it's the same idea reheated. Delta-named alien to Beta-named alien. Decker to Riker. Before The Motion Picture was The Motion Picture, though, they were characters intended for a new Star Trek TV series, so I guess he felt they were character types worth taking past a couple hours.G-Fex said:
Marty Chinn
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SumPog said:
DS9 is good but highly overrated. When it's good, it's great, but there's a lot of bleh littered throughout too, especially in the earlier seasons. To me it's inconsistant in quality. It also has very highly religious overtones so if that's not your cup of tea, that may bother you too. I don't regret watching it, but it's not the godly show that people praise it as IMO.
G-Fex said:
As others have kind of said, it's not that he's obsessed with it -- they're literally the exact same characters rebranded. When they started TNG a lot of the first scripts (most of the worst of S1, tbh) were redrafts of the Phase Two series scripts, and Phase Two was what eventually became ST:TMP.
The other connection no one's mentioned, btw, is Ilya is derived from Ilium, the name for Troy that gave the epic the name The Iliad.
Ilya/Ilium -> Troy/Troi.
I'm not entirely sure what symbolism was so important in that name, if there is any. Maybe Decker/Riker was supposed to conquer her. Or it was to imply a connection to Helen of Troy, supposedly the most beautiful woman of antiquity. Or Roddenberry just had a thing for using classical names whenever he could.
TheVampire
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What does everyone think of Q?
I recently watched all the episodes he is in and I find him hilliarious
I recently watched all the episodes he is in and I find him hilliarious
Q was close to overused and unfunny in TNG, but wasn't. He remains awesome and was the only way to end the series.
He was perfect in DS9.
Q was destroyed as a character as soon as he set one foot on Voyager.
John de Lancie is still cool. I thought his guest appearances on Stargate SG1 were well above average for guest appearances (as were Robert Picardo's).
He was perfect in DS9.
Q was destroyed as a character as soon as he set one foot on Voyager.
John de Lancie is still cool. I thought his guest appearances on Stargate SG1 were well above average for guest appearances (as were Robert Picardo's).
DrForester
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Slayven said:
What about Bashir?
BattleMonkey
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DrForester said:
Well he said TNG crew
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yet another reason why the first season of TNG was by far the weakest. It always did feel more like the old show in terms of writing style, and it didn't work for me because it didn't have the same historical context or campiness.maharg said:
Also, Q is awesome, and will forever be a wrench in any "Star Trek galaxy vs. ____" debate because no-one knows exactly what their power is. Could Q make an entire star disappear on a whim?
I thought I'd just drop in to say that I watched every single episode of TNG over this last summer. They were all mostly great and I loved it. It's the only star trek series that I actually like. The original is an incoherent mess with bad acting besides the main characters, and cheap story lines. Voyager is a constant morality therapy session (Had a chance to watch them all, got to the end of S1 and skipped to the last one.) Haven't watched much of DS9, seemed boring. Enterprise was ok but overly dramatic.
Don't kill me.
Don't kill me.
JoshuaJSlone
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With the snap of a finger. And the finger snap would be just for show.The_Technomancer said:
The_Technomancer said:
KamenSenshi
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MrBig said:
Now there are two of us. Welcome to the club.