Brad's Rage? There's been plenty of that!
The Giant Bomb Quick Look Thread 2
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It definitely falls under the umbrella of serious games despite the goofy ass audio logs. It seems like a neat little simulation of something that is glossed over in games despite being in almost all of them.I'd like to see some of its ideas worked into other games.
A Sentient Keyboard
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Not that significant really.
Find it rather interesting how adamant they are for Fire Emblem that if you turn perma-death off, you're basically playing the game wrong (at least that's what it sounds like from Patrick). I understand that's the traditional Fire Emblem experience, and it can change the strategy significantly, but I question if you're necessarily getting a lesser experience on Casual.
Now I don't know for sure since I've yet to play the game, but Casual still seems more appealing to me. I'm someone who'd keep restarting missions to save everyone, and probably burn out on the game due to my over-obsessiveness with that. Sure I could move on, but I'd just hate to lose someone and miss out on all that future character dialog. Casual seems like a good way for me to avoid that frustration and enjoy the experience more.
Now I don't know for sure since I've yet to play the game, but Casual still seems more appealing to me. I'm someone who'd keep restarting missions to save everyone, and probably burn out on the game due to my over-obsessiveness with that. Sure I could move on, but I'd just hate to lose someone and miss out on all that future character dialog. Casual seems like a good way for me to avoid that frustration and enjoy the experience more.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Yup. Know how you feel.
It really makes it feel like a whole different game. Aspects such as army placement and boss strategies become completely eliminated, and instead of actually using strategy you can brute force your way through the game. Honestly, the games aren't that hard, but in my opinion it would be better to just lower the difficulty instead of turning on casual mode.. and if you do turn on casual mode also increase the difficulty.
One thing to note is fire emblem games have an inverse difficulty curve, and the game gets way easier as you progress, so even if you start off and find the difficulty just right, it may turn into a complete bore half way through (and this doesn't even take into account understanding the mechanics better or whatever).
Anatoli Bacharach
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Ryan and Brad kinda sound like they have been hotboxing the quick look room in this one.
Is ostensively really a word? It's listed in a few online dictionaries, but it's not uncommon to see non-words in those. For instance, both 'illucidate' and 'elucidate' will show in in google searches are real words, but I don't think the former is an actual word.
Restarting to make sure everyone makes it through alive is part of the game. I never let anyone die, regardless of whether I intend to use them or not, and it adds real tension. If I could just run in there and sacrifice some units knowing I get them back when the mission is over it would completely change the game.
How is there tension if you know you are going to restart upon any death? That seems more like tension through annoyance rather than any long term loss. A game like XCOM would lose most of the real tension if I knew I could just restart a mission if an important soldier died. What you describe just seems like a grind.
Is there any sort of Ironman equivalent in FE?
never played sword of seals, huh
every map after the halfway point has like 20 asshole sages with bolting tomes and asshole bishops with sleep staves
Because units are unique, valuable non-replaceable assets. Choosing to restart is a strategic/emotional consideration you make every time you lose one of them.
Without perma-death, you don't need to worry about losing a unit. Without needing to worry about losing units, FE is pretty boring and you can brute-force your way through the game.
I think they're cute :<
XANDER CAGE
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I actually don't see a problem here. You can recognize that a game is good and still not care for it personally.
That and, I mean, that was yeaaaaaars ago.
I do prefer the Tactics Ogre LUCT system of giving you three hearts for each character so they have to die three times before you lose them.
Ventilaator
Banned
20 is the level cap in Fire Emblem games? As a Disgaea fan I find that offensive.
Was meaning to check out the Fire Emblem series, but fell into Advance Wars instead. Dual Strike was a pretty easy game until mission 22 happened and I don't have a clue what to do with that one.
About Fire Emblem though, does the villager dude actually develop into something awesome then?
Was meaning to check out the Fire Emblem series, but fell into Advance Wars instead. Dual Strike was a pretty easy game until mission 22 happened and I don't have a clue what to do with that one.
About Fire Emblem though, does the villager dude actually develop into something awesome then?
I was turned off by them at first too but I've grown at accept them. I'm more disappointed by the attack animations.
This times 100. On paper it might not make too much sense, but in practice it forces you to learn how to properly play the game and think through every move you make. Your end goal doesn't just become to "beat the mission", but to "beat the mission with everyone alive". This also adds another layer of challenge by possibly guiding you to use a self imposed save state, but if you choose not to go the restart route, it still becomes a very unique experience that not too many other games out there give you.
This is the kind of game design decisions that Japanese devs come up with a lot that I feel is missing from most western games and I feel like a large part of the reason that it's not considered over here is people missing the point and complaining. This is not to call out the post that was quoted in the above post, but just an observation, but good example is how the Giant Bomb guys complain about "animation priority." It's okay to not be a fan of it, but they point it out like it's a flawed mechanic. Like bad camera angles, or something...
EDIT: Meant to say self imposed fail state not "save state." Derp...
Correct, I haven't played sword of seals or Thracia 776, although I do own the carts for both of them.
It doesn't sound like there's any consideration at all if someone restarts every time a unit dies, that's just changing the fail-state. Playing it that way seems equally wrong. It's just the opposite extreme from no permadeath. I don't see much of a difference between that and save-scumming in XCOM, just more time consuming since you can only restart to the beginning of the missions. What's the point of permadeath if you aren't allowing characters to die?
vitaminwateryum
corporate swill
Where's this Luigi's Mansion talk I keep hearing about?
Vire
Member
Seriously, I need a Vinny Jeff quicklook STAT.
I don't hate Patrick but they gotta mix-up the lineup hes been all over the place on recent quicklooks.
As I stated in my above post and other people have stated, it forces you to learn how to play the game properly and think before you make every move you make instead of just brute forcing your way through. It is a self imposed fail state, but the punishment is harsh enough that you would be more careful the next time.
If you could just save state in the middle of battle, you'll just make every careless choice and keep reloading until you land on the "correct" choice. If you're forced to play through the whole battle though, you'll think twice before moving that healer into the movement range of 3 enemy units.
That was a great QL on many levels.
It adds tension because if I'm 30 minutes into a mission I really don't want to start over.
You really don't see the point of the permadeath? It's there to give you the choice of going on without the unit, or to restart and make sure everyone survives. If there was no permadeath it would completely change the way I play the game. The tactical element would be completely different when you no longer need to care about whether your units survive. Sure, to me it might as well say game over when a unit dies, but the permadeath means it's up to the player how they want to handle it.
Level Cap is technically 40, since after promoting your level resets to 1.
Peter Bazooka
Banned
Yes. He becomes one of the best characters.
MiniBossBattle
Member
I honestly thought Patrick was the news guy, not the constant Quick Look guy? He is informative to a degree but ends up not being as entertaining at the rest of the crew.
Zeouterlimits
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.I think things have changed, maybe permanently. Patrick obviously isn't the news guy anymore even if he was hired for that purpose. Alex writes more news and is beginning to write more articles in general. Patrick constantly talks about features he wants to do or is planning on doing but most of them never end up happening. He's, for better or worse, taken over as "filler" for when Jeff and Ryan are busy in...meetings and stuff.
MiniBossBattle
Member
Don't leave Brad....
What generally happens is that you have two tiers of classes: regular and promoted. At regular level 20 (or earlier if you have a special item) you promote to the next class. So for example, if you have a Mage, you can promote them to Sage (class names may not be accurate). When you promote a unit, their stats increase and they usually gain a new ability or can equip additional weapon types, their level resets to 1 and they level up to 20 again, with stat increases at each level as normal.
Generally if you get a unit that's already been promoted, and it's in the early game, that unit can dominate immediately but near the endgame it won't be as good as a unit that has leveled all the way from the bottom.
Typographenia
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The Luigi's Mansion talk made this Ken's Rage QL worth it. I really hope Luigi's Mansion shows up on this next unprofessional friday.
Ken's Rage looks awfully bland. There is absolutely nothing noteworthy in the characters, the art, the level design, interface, or anything. It is so just getting by looking that it makes me sad.
Ken's Rage looks awfully bland. There is absolutely nothing noteworthy in the characters, the art, the level design, interface, or anything. It is so just getting by looking that it makes me sad.
Vire
Member
The funny thing is if you back and watch the QL for the first game, it actually looks legitimately better than the sequel. (Graphically)
Hot Coldman
Banned
It's almost as if this game was rushed into production for the anniversary or something
snoopeasystreet
Member
That's in line with how I feel about Patrick, he's a cool guy, great writer and adds so much to the bombcast but is way overexposed on the video end. It's not that I think he's bad in the videos or anything, he's just always there. I doubt it's his plan to be the annual sequelization of video game websites, I'm guessing it's just enthusiasm.
Gozer the Gozerian
Member
What if CBS management gets really strict like they did with the CES thing and Jeff gives Kane and Lynch 3 a 3 star review and gets fired again and makes a new independent game journalism website again and all the other guys quit the old place again to come join him
WrenchNinja
Member
I was screaming at my phone hoping Dave wouldnt kill Gaius, but he actually did it.
He got Stahl and Virion killed too, oh god
Donnel is totally a pain in the ass.
He got Stahl and Virion killed too, oh god
Donnel is totally a pain in the ass.
Then Patrick will stay at Gamespot for a month, and as soon as he leaves it'll go under.
Donnel is the best. He does with a bronze sword what no one can do with a steel sword.