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The glass is half full thread. Why the sky isn't falling (free virtual hugs inside)

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KRod-57

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So when I realized the outcome of the election at first I was like

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then I was like

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but now I'm like


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So I am with most of you in saying I am very disappointed in the election results. I expected to feel sadness on election day, because that's the kind of person I am.. I was not going to be satisfied no matter who won on Nov 8th. What I wasn't expecting was to be anxiety stricken to the point of not being able to eat, and pleading with my friends to play some late night Tricky Towers with me to ease my mind.

All that being said, when our political system disappoints us it is easy to get carried away these negative feelings. We saw this from conservatives when Obama was elected and then reelected, but needless to say, most of the concerns they held of an apocalyptic future under an Obama presidency were greatly exaggerated (though there's still time for him to take all the guns away!). The point is, conservatives were getting carried away with their disappointment in our political system, this is one characteristic that liberals often share with them.

So getting into why a Trump presidency might not be as doom and gloom as our emotions tell us, the first thing that is worth noting is that US democracy was designed to withstand terrible presidencies. Also, when we look at Donald Trump's political history, he is someone who has been around a long time, and actually has a longer history being a moderate than an extreme GOP candidate.

In 2011 it was revealed that Trump had donated $1.3 million of his money to political campaigns, 54% of which went to Democrats. Trump also described himself as "more of a Democrat" . He was a lobbyist for Hillary Clinton in New York, and in 2008 he said that she would "make a great president" and then said she would make a great secretary of state. Trump was a bigger supporter of Democrats than he was Republicans clear up until after the 2008 election. He himself ran as a third party candidate in 2000 in which he stated "I would put forth a comprehensive health care program and fund it with an increase in corporate taxes" and he described himself as "very pro-choice" and said that he would not ban partial birth abortions if president.

Donald Trump expressed support for single payer healthcare as recently as January 2015 , and Trump maintained a pro-choice stance clear up until he started talking about running for president again, but as a Republican candidate. Now it could be that Trump had a sudden epiphany to take a pro-life position at the same moment he decided he would run as a Republican, but I find it far more likely he used the pro-life stance as a political strategy, because who was the last person to take the pro-choice position and get the GOP nomination?

We are also seeing several indications that a lot of the things Trump said were more for political points than a genuine platform. His ban on all Muslims entering the US? he abandoned that plan around the time he got the GOP nominee, changed this position to supporting a ban on travel from a specific list of countries (list has yet to be revealed). His plan to deport 11 million undocumented immigrants? He later softened that position to say he would legalize some of those immigrants, but still promises a deportation force

The sad fact about our political system is Bill Clinton set a record number in deportations that was broken by George W Bush, that was later broken by president Obama, and will likely be broken again by a president Trump. He is probably going to deport a lot of people, but he is not going to deport most of our 11 million undocumented immigrants. He cannot do that, we have a due process of law in the US which gives every individual subject to deportation their due in court fist. It is impossible for him to deport that many people within a single presidency without ratifying the US constitution, which would require a 2/3rds approval from both the house and senates

In regards to supreme court picks, the only seat up for grabs now is Scalia's who was already a member of the conservative wing, and in regards to a woman's right to choose, I do not believe Trump will take a more hard line stance on abortions in his nominations than Reagan, Bush 41, or Bush 43 (who combined assigned 7 members) given his history on the matter.

In regards to LGBT rights, Trump is actually better than most Republicans, said that transgender individuals should be allowed to use whatever bathroom they want. On same sex marriage he has sent mixed messages, and while it is true he did indicate disapproval in the supreme court's decision to legalize same sex marriage abroad, he made no such promises to overturn the court's decision (contrary to what many internet sources have claimed) http://www.snopes.com/trump-plans-reverse-marriage-equality-elected-president/

And finally, maybe... just maybe... he might be less hawkish on foreign affairs. His positions on foreign affairs is a mesh, he has used both the pro-war and the anti-war rhetoric, and while I find his sucking up to Vladimir Putin pathetic, it is not in our best interest to start another cold war with Russia. Such a thing would only lead to more excessive military spending, and would be bad for both Americans' and Russians' economic status. Back during the the 2012 debate Obama criticized Romney's aggressive position on Russia, and quipped that the 1980s called and they want their foreign policy back, and he was right to criticize Romney's position.

So in short, while I am with most of you in saying that I am very disappointed in this election's results, I do not believe we need to worry about our gay friends losing their right to marry, I do not believe we need to worry about our Muslim friends being blocked from the country, I do not believe we need to worry about our Latino friends getting deported, and I do not believe that women will lose authority over their own bodies


I understand most of you are pretty upset, and I am with you, but we're going to get through this together. If you're thinking about moving to Canada, please don't. We need you to be a part of our political system in 2018 and 2020. Having good people leave the country is the last thing we need right now. Also, while many of Trump's supporters are bigoted individuals, most of them are not, and it is our job to reach out to them rather than shame them. These are our neighbors, friends, and for many of us, our families.

Ultimately our political fate is in our own hands, and it is our job to do what is right.
 

Bronetta

Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
I think you guys need go seek professional medical help if youre literally feeling sick, anxious, stressed or depressed.

Seriously
 

Karu

Member
It is disgusting when people on here try and humanize Trump.

This is a big fucking deal.
and you still have to deal with it. You cant just cry for the next four years. That might be exponentially more difficult for certain demographics and groups, but it is what it is. This might be the phase of bargaining, that's where you have to go through.
 
I think you guys need go seek professional medical help if youre literally feeling sick, anxious, stressed or depressed.

Seriously

That's me but this was all true before hand but still can't afford and certainly won't be able to afford it when aca is repealed so /shrug right?
 

MMarston

Was getting caught part of your plan?
It is disgusting when people on here try and humanize Trump.

This is a big fucking deal.

He's got 4 years to to turn himself into at least a competent Rep. president who gives a damn.


He's got an extremely teeny-tiny snowball's chance in hell of doing that of course, but it can be done.
 

KRod-57

Banned
I think you guys need go seek professional medical help if youre literally feeling sick, anxious, stressed or depressed.

Seriously

Oh I already am, I have a long history of an anxiety disorder


Thanks man, working on my outlook too.


I appreciate the thank you, that makes me feel a little better inside. My hopes are that I can make other people here feel better too
 
Okay....Lets look at the hope he is a closet centrist. Lets take a look at his cabinet positions:

AG Giuliani- Yeah crazy racist openly for stop and frisk

SecDef Gen Flynn- Antisemitic psychopath

Sec State Newt_ Grandad of the Tea Party

Okay at least the house and Senate and court will keep him in check- All republican


Hmm not felling to optimistic. Oh and for bonus

VP Pence- Believes you can electrocute gay people into being straight.
 

Monocle

Member
OK great, now make me feel better about the scum of humanity that will fill his cabinet and influence policy.

People who hate gays and deny the reality of global warming. People who think women shouldn't make their own decisions about their health. People who view immigrants as hostile subhuman invaders.

Okay....Lets look at the hope he is a closet centrist. Lets take a look at his cabinet positions:

AG Giuliani- Yeah crazy racist openly for stop and frisk

SecDef Gen Flynn- Antisemitic psychopath

Sec State Newt_ Grandad of the Tea Party

Okay at least the house and Senate and court will keep him in check- All republican


Hmm not felling to optimistic. Oh and for bonus

VP Pence- Believes you can electrocute gay people into being straight.
Yep!
 

Shaanyboi

Banned
So in short, while I am with most of you in saying that I am very disappointed in this election's results, I do not believe we need to worry about our gay friends losing their right to marry, I do not believe we need to worry about our Muslim friends being blocked from the country, I do not believe we need to worry about our Latino friends getting deported, and I do not believe that women will lose authority over their own bodies

Look at his cabinet.
 

Mr. RPG

Member
Trump is a human. Did you mean something else? I'm not trying to be pedantic.

I'm saying that I'm tried of people trying to make Trump look like he's not all that bad when he definitely is.

When you consider the Supreme Court nominations he will make and what he can do with his executive power this is a huge deal...
 

SilentRob

Member
Okay....Lets look at the hope he is a closet centrist. Lets take a look at his cabinet positions:

AG Giuliani- Yeah crazy racist openly for stop and frisk

SecDef Gen Flynn- Antisemitic psychopath

Sec State Newt_ Grandad of the Tea Party

Okay at least the house and Senate and court will keep him in check- All republican


Hmm not felling to optimistic. Oh and for bonus

VP Pence- Believes you can electrocute gay people into being straight.

Hey, but I'm not part of a minority, so it's really not that bad! We should all calm down, right?

Nah. This is not just Trump. It doesn't even matter at this point if he turns out to be a lying assclown or an actual racist demagoge - his cabinet will make sure the racist, sexist, homophobic laws he promised but maybe didn't really believe in will get passed.
 
I'm worried that his actual stated policy to ignore the Paris climate agreement is going to turn earth into Venus before I turn 60
 

cress2000

Member
Only in the past few weeks did I finally get over the major depression I'd been suffering for decades. I decided the Trump win wasn't going to knock me back down. I'm working on stuff to get through these dark times as comfortably as I possibly can.
 
Okay....Lets look at the hope he is a closet centrist. Lets take a look at his cabinet positions:

AG Giuliani- Yeah crazy racist openly for stop and frisk

SecDef Gen Flynn- Antisemitic psychopath

Sec State Newt_ Grandad of the Tea Party

Okay at least the house and Senate and court will keep him in check- All republican


Hmm not felling to optimistic. Oh and for bonus

VP Pence- Believes you can electrocute gay people into being straight.

This.

If this lineup doesn't make your skin crawl and stomach turn, you aren't informed on shit. This situation is fucking grave.
 

KRod-57

Banned
Okay....Lets look at the hope he is a closet centrist. Lets take a look at his cabinet positions:

AG Giuliani- Yeah crazy racist openly for stop and frisk

SecDef Gen Flynn- Antisemitic psychopath

Sec State Newt_ Grandad of the Tea Party

Okay at least the house and Senate and court will keep him in check- All republican


Hmm not felling to optimistic. Oh and for bonus

VP Pence- Believes you can electrocute gay people into being straight.

If you're looking for an explanation for how Trump will be a good president, you're missing the point of this thread. This thread is not to argue that this will be a good presidency, this thread is to make light of the fact that the US was designed to withstand even terrible presidents, and that many of the extreme positions held by Trump's campaign have already been abandoned. They were not positions he held prior to his campaign, and were not positions he held by the end of his campaign. In short, this administration is going to suck, but it probably won't be as doom and gloom as our emotions lead us to believe.


As for Trump's cabinet, nothing has been confirmed on what his cabinet will look like, it is all speculation at this point.
 
I think you guys need go seek professional medical help if youre literally feeling sick, anxious, stressed or depressed.

Seriously

Whatever. I had a breakdown last night. Didn't sleep a wink. My wife was worried sick. Nothing has ever shook me this much outside of family tragedies.
 

XenodudeX

Junior Member
It's going to be a terrible 4/8 years. No doubt about it.

But you guys still have a life to live. What are you going to do, just give up and not live it?

You'll be okay, even if the county as a whole might not be.
 

KRod-57

Banned
I lost my appetite but I just ate

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I didn't finish my dinner last night, and I didn't have breakfast till 5:00pm today. Believe me when I say I am not happy about these election results, but I think if we take a minute to stop and gauge things, we'll find that for the most part our outcome is not so doom and gloom. We'll overcome this bad presidency the same way we overcame the bad presidents of the past
 

Not

Banned
We fight. All of us. We'll keep learning unity and empathy. We're just now under pressure to do so.

Hugs for everyone.
 

Slaythe

Member
Okay....Lets look at the hope he is a closet centrist. Lets take a look at his cabinet positions:

AG Giuliani- Yeah crazy racist openly for stop and frisk

SecDef Gen Flynn- Antisemitic psychopath

Sec State Newt_ Grandad of the Tea Party

Okay at least the house and Senate and court will keep him in check- All republican


Hmm not felling to optimistic. Oh and for bonus

VP Pence- Believes you can electrocute gay people into being straight.

Add non believers of climate change in ecology and energy please.

I'm on suicide watch.
 

Not

Banned
I didn't finish my dinner last night, and I didn't have breakfast till 5:00pm today. Believe me when I say I am not happy about these election results, but I think if we take a minute to stop gauge things, we'll find that for the most part our outcome is not so doom and gloom. We'll overcome this bad presidency the same way we overcame the bad presidents of the past

My nose was bleeding, I cried, I tossed and turned and couldn't sleep, I hugged and kissed my wife, I prayed, I played guitar, took a long shower, anything to make me feel better. I considered running away and ignoring the media forever just so it would stop hurting.

But I need to join the others now. I need to stand up for what's right, no matter how hard that has become. I'm not alone, and neither are any of us.
 

demon

I don't mean to alarm you but you have dogs on your face
Sorry if it's hard for me to look at a half-full glass here. We could have been looking at a Democratic president, possibly a Dem Senate, and 2-3 decades of a liberal Supreme Court. That all went down the toilet in the blink of a fucking eye last night and instead we got all 3 branches controlled by a right-wing authoritarian psychopath who has the support of a lunatic Tea Party Senate and House and all the wonderful appointments they get to make from Federal judges to head of the EPA. And I'm supposed to pin my hopes on Democrats showing up for the midterms in two years?

This is a nightmare scenario any way you fucking slice it.
 
Whatever. I had a breakdown last night. Didn't sleep a wink. My wife was worried sick. Nothing has ever shook me this much outside of family tragedies.

I've been fighting episodic depression for 15 years. I've been managing okay on my own.

If I don't snap out of this soon, I'll need to seek help. I'm more upset about this than any family member passing.
 

Fracas

#fuckonami
I'm trying to be optimistic but it's hard. I'm not scared of Trump. I'm scared of his cabinet, his appointees and his fully supportive legislative bodies. There are zero shackles on this dude now. Meanwhile the most qualified presidential candidate in possibly all of American history has been relegated as the footnote that couldn't beat a reality TV star.

Fingers crossed.
 

Plum

Member
My optimism died on Nov 8 2016

Same here. The double whammy of Brexit and now this has just left me drained. Just wish I didn't have familial pressure keeping me in a Uni course I hate because I really want to drop out and pursue my dreams whilst I still can. Fucking hell.
 

Mortemis

Banned
I remember reading a 538 article about how Congress historically leans opposite of the president's party or even flips in the midterm elections, so there's that to feel energized about.

But man, you can see how fucking pessimistic I am in hoping for midterm turnout. We couldn't even get enough turn out in the presidential elections to stop this fuck in the first place.
 
I'm trying to be optimistic but it's hard. I'm not scared of Trump. I'm scared of his cabinet, his appointees and his fully supportive legislative bodies. There are zero shackles on this dude now.

This, but the opposite of your conclusion.

Trump isn't the problem, he's already backpedaled hard on a lot of his policies and I really don't think he actually puts that much stock into what comes out of his mouth.

His cabinet/congress/senate on the otherhand? Prepare for four years of the Republican establishment passing every horrendous bill they could dream of. I really, really hope there's enough down ballot support in 2018.
 
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