A lot of lol in this post but just a small correction, there are no “GamePass exclusive games”.
People hate gamepass because it is MS and because it is a subscription service so a lot of people absolutely don't want gaming to go the Netflix route.I'm someone who never had any interest in Gamepass and the only time I tried to subscribe it (on PC) was for the "Three months for a dollar" offer years ago...
And I STILL have no idea how the entire thread turned basically into a "LOL GAMEPASS IS SHIT, AMIRITE GUYS??"
How is that your takeaway from this headline is not really clear.
My takeaway would be a lot closer to "Oh look, turns out you can't keep getting a payday indefinitely for stuff that hardly produces any revenues".
Or alternatively "It seems like in a scene where everyone and their grandma are releasing games every other day, you'll have to stand out if you want to get your cash bag".
Plenty of Indies which the discussion was about were. Really doesn't change the point though.A lot of lol in this post but just a small correction, there are no “GamePass exclusive games”.
Plenty of Indies which the discussion was about were. Really doesn't change the point though.
Plenty of Indies which the discussion was about were. Really doesn't change the point though.
Gamepass releases have not led to profits for said Indie developers.
Playstation has been better at supporting them.
Gamepass haa not been profitable or growing.
Lol at you and others copium…
While it might be true, I wouldn't automatically equate indie funding drying up to struggles of the platform that previously provided the funding. The data models might just suggest that those types of games aren't contributing to the success of the platform and that that funding would be better served courting bigger titles. Something like Lies of P might be worth ten or twenty of Toem or Lightyear Frontier. And in the case of Microsoft, with their recent mergers behind them, they might be happy with their back catalogue and are looking for less filler.
The money comes from Microsoft, the video game company.
One correction: they didn't add ABK games to Game Pass either
So indie GP deals died because of Zenimax and ABK acquisition, and then Microsoft didn't add ABK games to Game Pass for 6 months (and counting) either
I'm someone who never had any interest in Gamepass and the only time I tried to subscribe it (on PC) was for the "Three months for a dollar" offer years ago...
And I STILL have no idea how the entire thread turned basically into a "LOL GAMEPASS IS SHIT, AMIRITE GUYS??"
How is that your takeaway from this headline is not really clear.
My takeaway would be a lot closer to "Oh look, turns out you can't keep getting a payday indefinitely for stuff that hardly produces any revenues".
Or alternatively "It seems like in a scene where everyone and their grandma are releasing games every other day, you'll have to stand out if you want to get your cash bag".
If I earned a dollar every time I read someone on Twitter say "I will wait for this game to be on GP" I'd be filthy rich.
I can't believe we are arguing this.
Oh come on, that's like calling Sony "The Banking Company". Yeah video games might be a part of the company but we both know MS are mainly known for things outside of gaming (just like Sony are known mainly for things outside of banking/finance)
all games are literally like that to me. i barely even play video games anymore so the only motivation is if they "free" on gamepass. can't be bothered otherwise esp when most games are friggin horrible cringe waste of my time (as an adult)You would be ultra rich everytime you read those stupid posts on GAF as well. I can remember when D&D released and was bad people were like "well its garbage, but I will play if goes to GP".
You forgot a brought to you by Carls Jr. FUCK YOU. I'M PLAYING!fixed that for you
Irrelevant. Microsoft makes the Xbox, they are part of the gaming industry. But feel free to qualify away
You and I both know most people in the world don't think of video games first when they think of Microsoft. They think of Windows, they think of Office, they think of PCs and businesses, they think of Azure well before thinking of Xbox.
Only in American and maybe UK do most also think of Xbox in comparable weight. So calling them "The Video Game Company" is just kinda hilarious unless you're American.
EGS exclusives are the only reason some games even exist, Alan wake 2 for example since they funded the entire project.
Who cares? What you think of when you think Microsoft is irrelevant to the back and forth. All that matters is Microsoft is part of the video game industry. Context is a thing, you gold journalists need to learn that.
Not going to reply to you any further here
summarizingSlay The Spire & Darkest Dungeons Studio Heads Talk Indie Funding, Clarify Earlier Remarks
Indie game developers Casey Yano and Chris Bourassa shed light on the challenges facing the industry, clarifying that the funding crunch comes from all corners.gamersocialclub.ca
Colt eatswood agrees with you.This month's Game Pass drop certainly lends a lot of credence to this.
I'll have to change my stance then.Colt eatswood agrees with you.
Did they say 10 to 15%? Pretty sure I saw subscriber target numbers of 100 million or more.Man it’s amazing how grand the views some of you have/had for GamePass. They exceed even those of Microsoft.
How exactly is MS driving the industry into a subscription model when all of their games are available outside of the service and they don’t lock anything behind it? And let’s say the industry would go into a subscription model, are you honestly trying to tell me Sony and Nintendo couldn’t compete? Please.
MS repeatedly stated their goal for GamePass was 10-15% of their revenue. Where’s it at right now? You guys always talk like you have concrete numbers.
Yep. As a matter of fact, their internal leaked charts also showed that they expected to be north of 40 million subscribers at this point -- which they failed to do.Did they say 10 to 15%? Pretty sure I saw subscriber target numbers of 100 million or more.
Xbox Game Pass subscribers expected to grow to 110 million by 2030
Microsoft defines leadership in the subscription space by pushing Xbox Game Pass past 100 million subscribers, seeks lofty 110m target for XGP service.www.tweaktown.com
PC Gamer strikes again, they really have it out for Xbox for some reason.summarizing
1-The article they published surprised him because he spoke in general about the funds dedicated to supporting indi developers and projects and not in relation to Gamepass and Epic specifically.
2- He was not referring to Gamepass or EpicStore per se, he was referring to the general situation of all publishers and platform holders and how now the industry is less willing to finance indie games. At a time when there are massive layoffs, it is clear that the investment in founding indi games was going to decline....
3-In fact, it was referring more specifically to EpicStore and not to Gamepass (According to the Studio, they do not have data on Gamepass). In fact, he only claims to know of some very good agreements signed by Indi studios with Gamepass.
But an article that can be interpreted as "Gamepass killed my grandmother" is better and sells more.....
Did they say 10 to 15%? Pretty sure I saw subscriber target numbers of 100 million or more.
Xbox Game Pass subscribers expected to grow to 110 million by 2030
Microsoft defines leadership in the subscription space by pushing Xbox Game Pass past 100 million subscribers, seeks lofty 110m target for XGP service.www.tweaktown.com
Slay The Spire & Darkest Dungeons Studio Heads Talk Indie Funding, Clarify Earlier Remarks
Indie game developers Casey Yano and Chris Bourassa shed light on the challenges facing the industry, clarifying that the funding crunch comes from all corners.gamersocialclub.ca
summarizing
1-The article they published surprised him because he spoke in general about the funds dedicated to supporting indi developers and projects and not in relation to Gamepass and Epic specifically.
2- He was not referring to Gamepass or EpicStore per se, he was referring to the general situation of all publishers and platform holders and how now the industry is less willing to finance indie games. At a time when there are massive layoffs, it is clear that the investment in founding indi games was going to decline....
3-In fact, it was referring more specifically to EpicStore and not to Gamepass (According to the Studio, they do not have data on Gamepass). In fact, he only claims to know of some very good agreements signed by Indi studios with Gamepass.
But an article that can be interpreted as "Gamepass killed my grandmother" is better and sells more.....
PC Gamer strikes again, they really have it out for Xbox for some reason.
The clarification just makes them and the commentary in this thread look stupid
NeoGAF is the only place in the internet where people want to pay more for games
Now you’ve got to get by selling your games to real life customers. Imagine that!
Yep. As a matter of fact, their internal leaked charts also showed that they expected to be north of 40 million subscribers at this point -- which they failed to do.
It is one of those "sour grapes" situation.
They failed to grow GP's market share and revenue, so now they are trying to pretend as if that never was their goal in the first place.
This month's Game Pass drop certainly lends a lot of credence to this.
NeoGAF is the only place in the internet where people want to pay more for games
Ever heard of sales?NeoGAF is the only place in the internet where people want to pay more for games
This month's Game Pass drop certainly lends a lot of credence to this.
What's this nonsense? Buying games rather than subscribing to a service is not wanting to "pay more for games".
That post he quoted was daft anyway. Games on GP are also available for sale, not just on other platforms but also on Xbox.
NeoGAF is the only place in the internet where people want to pay more for games
Microtransactions and season passes for unfinished products. Probably.Or maybe it's just that people understand that games don't fall from the trees but it's companies that invest hundreds of millions to make them? If nobody pays, where does money come from? The same magic trees?
Bruh .. the embedded tweet is leading with "helped a ton of games get funded".
I don't think you can make a better argument for the hater part
NeoGAF is the only place in the internet where people want to pay more for games
Good. The sooner Game Pass dies the better and less EGS exclusives means the PC market is healing.
This month's Game Pass drop certainly lends a lot of credence to this.
Or maybe it's just that people understand that games don't fall from the trees but it's companies that invest hundreds of millions to make them? If nobody pays, where does money come from? The same magic trees?
You think people pay for GamePass or other subscription services with bananas?
Again, indie devs with their games on subscription services still have their games up for sale in all markets.
Awww, you missed me.Weird, I didn’t see you pipping up last month. Also the entire month of games aren’t even announced yet.
Awww, you missed me.
Good. The sooner Game Pass dies, the better it is for my EGO and my favorite platform, even though it's the best deal in gaming.
Nothing has been debunked, but ... sure.Just pointing out the bias of your gold journalism, friend, per usual.
Article has been debunked though,
I remember you saying the exact same thing about "the dream of Xbox going third-party" lol Look at where we are now.y’all have fun predicting the end of GamePass ver816
The dream is dead again.
Let’s get to work on Xbox going third party version 382.
The usual infantrymen, of course.wait a fricking minute, are there still people defending Xbox/Game Pass?.
my advice. Just go away and enjoy it while it lasts