FoxMcChief
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Ok, just checking. Read funny to me.
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'The gold rush is over:' Slay the Spire and Darkest Dungeon devs say that big Game Pass and Epic exclusive deals have dried up for indie devs
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ChuckeRearmed
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Makes sense. Epic is pivoting towards publishing and Microsoft has its own relatively big first party. Probably they also came to the conclusion that bigger games drive the service more than small indies.
Please explain why Gamepass dying would be good for the industry?
EGS exclusives are the only reason some games even exist, Alan wake 2 for example since they funded the entire project.
kazuyamishima
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Kacho
Gold Member
I tend to look at the big picture with news like this.
We’re getting less diverse content for a subscription service where growth has stagnated.
We got news from Dring saying that Microsoft plans to focus less on Game Pass going forward.
We also can’t forget that Microsoft has started the process of porting their games to other platforms.
Not looking good for the future of Game Pass.
BizarroPete
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That's what it reads like.
graywolf323
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fixed that for you
Kacho
Gold Member
People against Game Pass generally dislike it because they think it devalues games. I agree with that sentiment. I believe Game Pass was a last ditch effort to drive interest in their ecosystem and it didn’t materialize the way they needed it to.
DragonNCM
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Mastermind behind Gamepass
justiceiro
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Good deal never last forever. I saved hundreds thanks to these and played tons of games. No regrets.
bigdad2007
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I feel a bit bad because I have several Annapurna Interactive published games that I would have probably bought had they not been for game pass on on Steam wishlist.
But I beat them on game pass. I might eventually buy them, but I doubt they got the $20~$30 they are asking worth from my sub considering I don’t keep it active 12 months of the year.
But I beat them on game pass. I might eventually buy them, but I doubt they got the $20~$30 they are asking worth from my sub considering I don’t keep it active 12 months of the year.
Unknown Soldier
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Why are you conflating Gamepass and EGS which are completely different things?
Kilau
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Who could have seen this coming?
|OT| - Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
This isn't about Game Pass. This is about CoD and Sony not wanting limited or no access to the franchise. You can spin that to Game Pass if you want to try but if you think it is only about keeping CoD off of Game Pass you have a lot of reading to do to get caught up on Sony's arguments against...
ChorizoPicozo
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are you the sameWho could have seen this coming?
|OT| - Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
This isn't about Game Pass. This is about CoD and Sony not wanting limited or no access to the franchise. You can spin that to Game Pass if you want to try but if you think it is only about keeping CoD off of Game Pass you have a lot of reading to do to get caught up on Sony's arguments against...www.neogaf.com
Kilau
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Kilau
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ulantan
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The only goal gamepass had was drive an unsustainable loss lead model no other platform holder could follow. thus driving the the industry into a subscription model Only Microsoft could even remotely maintain. Pushing out other competitors. The only reason this didn't work was because the games on offer were not good/frequent enough to keep and grow subscribers. Driving them to huge aquisitions to feed it. No one else can do that.
Shut0wen
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I dont get the phil hatred, all they said is the amount they get offered is very small compared to what it used to be but games like spire and darkest dungeon are old af, i still believe early access is a much better option then just putting your game on GP, only indie game to become big from it was vampire survivor's
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Bruh .. the embedded tweet is leading with "helped a ton of games get funded".
I don't think you can make a better argument for the hater part
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DeaDPo0L84
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Phil Spencer said everything is peachy and they're profitable so this sounds like Russian propaganda, wouldn't trust it.
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Angry_Megalodon
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Because an unsustainable business model should not exist. It creates a "bubble" that is bound to burst sooner or later.
Besides, the GP has pushed a customer's mindset of not paying for games and not appreciating the worth of the really good ones. It's as shortsighted as it can get.
I was responding to his post….
DForce
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Bruh .. the embedded tweet is leading with "helped a ton of games get funded".
I don't think you can make a better argument for the hater part
And you're a prime example of ignoring the issue. The issue was never about the devs getting paid by Microsoft, the issue was about Microsoft spending billions on the service and getting little or nothing in return.
Microsoft is paying third-party devs millions to launch their games on Game Pass
Microsoft is sacrificing millions in retail sales to launch their games on Game Pass.
The result for the past few years?
NO GROWTH. Microsoft has expressed concerns for years about the lack of growth, but you ignore it. Microsoft putting games on Switch and PlayStation should be a wakeup call, but you guys choose to be in denial.
ChorizoPicozo
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GP didn't help them. it was the money outside GP.Bruh .. the embedded tweet is leading with "helped a ton of games get funded".
I don't think you can make a better argument for the hater part
Why do you say it’s unsustainable? Before they mixed in Xbox live with the numbers it was around 30 million subscribers that were paying in average $11 a month if memory serves me correct. (I could be off a bit) That’s almost 4 billion a year. Not including sales of the game on Xbox or PC. That was pre ABK deal. That’s a shit ton of money. You saying it’s unsustainable is just parroting what other people without any data to back it up are saying to serve your viewpoint.
Is it unsustainable? Maybe, maybe not. The market will decide in the end.
In terms of “changing customers mindset” is a really silly argument. Can you not think for yourself? Can other people not think for themselves? It’s not as if they took away the option of buying games, now if they did that it would be a REAL problem. I was always under the impression choice is good. Is renting or leasing a house or car a bad thing, should that be shut down because it’s changing a customers mindset?
It is clear that you have not understood anything that this information says....
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The money they got for putting their games on the service. That helped many indie developers fund and complete development on their games.
ChorizoPicozo
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that money was not coming from GP. Thats the point.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
That money wouldn't exist if it wasn't for GP, that's the point.
It helped fund many indie games.
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diffusionx
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Literally nobody cares about Darkest Dungeon 2, they killed their brand by launching on EGS, and they didn't need to, because the first game was so huge.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
that money existed even before GP with programs like ID@Xbox.That money wouldn't exist if it wasn't for GP, that's the point.
It helped fund many indie games.
The money for GP was money thrown to devs just like the money Epic throws for free games. That money is not helping (the economy of making games).
Pedro Motta
Gold Member
Whoops, papa Microsoft wallet is closing. Not a great deal unless funded by MS infinite money pool.
He is saying that thanks to Gamepass games and Studios could be founded..... Imagine those games and Studios indi without the funding of Gamepass/MS.
What this Indian developer is stating is simply his concern that MS and Epic are no longer so willing to finance so many projects or pay the same money. That is, he is regretting that Gamepass and Epic Store no longer exist as a lifeline for his projects.
Imagine interpreting that as "MS and Epic have ruined Studios Indi"
.PS. And no, Id@Xbox funds Is not the same as Gamepass money funds.
Unknown Soldier
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All those people on GAF who paid $1 for Gamepass through 2027 got a great deal though! All 6 of them!
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Fabieter
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Its also an industry where you only get any potential revenue years down the line which is a huge risk compared to alot of other industrys where you get a product out and money pretty much day one. This industry is harder than alot of other businesses.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Part of game pass deals is funding of game development. In cases the games are also not prevented from launching on other platforms.
ChorizoPicozo
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thats the point.He is saying that thanks to Gamepass games and Studios could be founded..... Imagine those games and Studios indi without the funding of Gamepass/MS.
What this Indian developer is stating is simply his concern that MS and Epic are no longer so willing to finance so many projects or pay the same money. That is, he is regretting that Gamepass and Epic Store no longer exist as a lifeline for his projects.
Imagine interpreting that as "MS and Epic have ruined Studios Indi"
PS. And no, Id@Xbox funds Is not the same as Gamepass money funds.
If their existence was tied to GP then those studios shouldn't had existed in the first place
Bumblebeetuna
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Man it’s amazing how grand the views some of you have/had for GamePass. They exceed even those of Microsoft.
How exactly is MS driving the industry into a subscription model when all of their games are available outside of the service and they don’t lock anything behind it? And let’s say the industry would go into a subscription model, are you honestly trying to tell me Sony and Nintendo couldn’t compete? Please.
MS repeatedly stated their goal for GamePass was 10-15% of their revenue. Where’s it at right now? You guys always talk like you have concrete numbers.
CoreyFlawless
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It comes back. Everyone making cuts
Unknown Soldier
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Ergo, thanks to the funds from MS and Epic, those Studios and developers were able to make their dream come true by launching their projects with minimal or no risk. That is, otherwise they would not even exist.
At what point was Gamepass and Epic Store bad for them and should P. Spencer and Tim Sweney be blamed? At what point do people make the interpretation that "MS and Epic have ruined Studios indi" from a statement from someone who is just lamenting that MS and Epic have stopped being so generous?
The type of nonsensical reaction is funny as they then defend that Studios Indi do not even need to launch their games on XBOX and/EpicStore to exist or even be profitable and here we have testimony according to which they were the reason for their existence.
Bumblebeetuna
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What a dumb way to look at things. Most games need funding. Just imagine GamePass as another publisher.
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