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[Haunted]

I agree. The difference is very minor, actually. Take a look at the comparison...

Here are two direct feed shots from Dark Sector on both XBOX360 and PS3. The PS3 version runs at the same resolution as GTAIV PS3 while the 360 version is a full 720p (according to Eurogamer, anyways).

Can you see a significant difference?

The right screen looks much better, imo. Sharper and cleaner. Less blurry.

No idea which screen is which version and I don't have a 360 or a PS3.

 

[belvedere]

GR huh.

They're already claiming Mercs 2 will look better on PS3.
:lol

http://www.gamesradar.com/xbox360/m.../a-2008042811153815026/g-20060503181956908091

But it sounds like PS3 might actually get the better looking version in the end. Zamkoff reckons that PlayStation 3 is better than Xbox 360 at anti-aliasing, which suggests to us that Sony's version will be a sharper and perhaps more pleasing visual experience. We'll have to wait until our own eyes see the evidence to get excited, but it's interesting nonetheless.

 

[Davidion]

Oh but this thread has become like the unbearable weight, with every agonizing "PIXELS!!!1" and "JAGGIES!!111" acting as yet another crushing burden onto the back of mother GAF as she sadly treads her way to that horrifying land of 500 that is all but her inevitable destiny.

Truly, it's a tragedy of Shakespearean proportions.

 

[65536]

Err, those two small shots were cropped directly from Eurogamers comparison.

That's weird, the one I posted is the only Dark Sector shot that's loading on the site for me, I'm only seeing one per game.

I think that one better illustrates the difference at least.

 

[pakopakopako]

GR huh.

They're already claiming Mercs 2 will look better on PS3.
:lol

http://www.gamesradar.com/xbox360/m.../a-2008042811153815026/g-20060503181956908091

They will get anti-aliasing using 630p :lol

 

[duk]

GR huh.

They're already claiming Mercs 2 will look better on PS3.
:lol

http://www.gamesradar.com/xbox360/m.../a-2008042811153815026/g-20060503181956908091

oh gawddddd

 

[CoG]

Does he provide any evidence? I fail to se how 7+ sites could say the PS3 version looks sharper or better when the resolution is lower? Has Quaz said anything further? or are we going by this one single sentence he made?

Resolution is only part of the equation. I have DVDs that look better upscaled than some proper Blu-ray discs. The post-processing on the PS3 version apparently goes a long way.

 

[Tadale]

So, what's going on? To both versions actually run in 630p?

 

[UncleGuito]

GR huh.

They're already claiming Mercs 2 will look better on PS3.
:lol

http://www.gamesradar.com/xbox360/m.../a-2008042811153815026/g-20060503181956908091

That's because the PS3 is the main development console. I think that's a reasonable assumption, but it's still too far from release to tell.

 

[super-heated plasma]

I heard that the pop up was so terrible on the 360 that Microsoft decided to capitalize and call it a 'feature' to tie in with their marketing geared towards the younger demographic.

 

[RoH]

If you're used to having sharpness cranked up, you may not like it, but give it some time and you should be used to it. That's how things are supposed to look. You also need to make sure you have things like Black Adjust, Dynamic Contrast, Digital NR etc turned off, and that Colour Space is set to auto.

Without artificial sharpening, you might find that the image is a bit soft though, but that's what upscaling does to the picture.


Pretty much any TV.

Basically you want to set sharpness to the point where you don't get any ringing around high contrast edges / text on-screen.

Some pictures a friend took ages ago from an older Toshiba LCD for example.

Sharpness at +50:

Sharpness at 0:

Sharpness at -50:

Notice how all that sharpening really does is add halos/ringing/shadows around the text, it doesn't actually make it any sharper. With games, this can have a significant effect on exaggerating aliasing. (jaggies)

Would the same apply for a projector?

 

[squatingyeti]

Incoming killjoy to thread!

''We’ve played both console versions of GTA IV, and took the following video from the opening scene. We captured the raw video in uncompressed 720p, with no post-processing to either stream. Shown side-by-side, it’s quite difficult to tell the difference between the two versions. Only a highly trained eye can see the subtle shifts in color, the minor variations in shadow detail. Our conclusion: buy the one for the console you own. If you’re lucky enough to have both in your living room, your decision will have to be based on whether or not you want to pay Microsoft for Extra Content. The barely perceptible difference will have zero impact on your enjoyment of the game.''

That doesn't settle shit. Obviously they didn't want to give the tree of doom its shout out and they dissed the missing P on its escape from the PS3.

 

[artist]

I'm watching Mythbusters at the moment, (They're playing with Elephant dung, nice), so that made me :lol

Oh, less than 6 hours til I can get meh GTA4, give it to me now, NOW damnit, oh, and this thread is great, so currently the PS3 version Looks sharper, Has less pop-in, runs at a fractionally faster fps, and is on PS3, got it.

Why dont you go ahead and strike out the remaining, feel better inside and give it a rest?





:lol

 

[jaaz]

I heard that the pop in was so terrible on the 360 that Microsoft decided to capitalize and call it a 'feature' to tie in with their marketing geared towards the younger demographic.

:lol This thread still delivers. Gameradar epic fail!

 

[bj00rn_]

Does he provide any evidence? I fail to se how 7+ sites could say the PS3 version looks sharper or better when the resolution is lower? Has Quaz said anything further? or are we going by this one single sentence he made?

...You didn't question the background or validity of Cal50dot's 360 pop-in gifs when you plastered them all over the PS3 IGN boards together with your enthusiastic "LOLs" last night, so why the long-faced sudden worry about "evidence" now...?

 

[duk]

which version is the tree of doom featured in? it's gotta be some sorta exclusive "pop-in content"! PIC yep!

 

[FrankT]

Does he provide any evidence? I fail to se how 7+ sites could say the PS3 version looks sharper or better when the resolution is lower? Has Quaz said anything further? or are we going by this one single sentence he made?

Considering he was the one to call Halo 3's resolution as well as others and they call em the pixel hunter, not much else to say. We only had a massive thread on his calling Halo 3s subpar 720p res.

...You didn't question the background or validity of Cal50dot's 360 pop-in gifs when you plastered them all over the PS3 IGN boards together with your enthusiastic "LOLs" last night, so why the sudden worry about "evidence" now...?

:lol

I guess he will be posting the new gifs everywhere as well that killed the Tree of Doom, heh. Retail versions, they can do that.

 

[qirex99]

Does he provide any evidence? I fail to se how 7+ sites could say the PS3 version looks sharper or better when the resolution is lower? Has Quaz said anything further? or are we going by this one single sentence he made?

where's the bitter tears Title now??

nobody EVER said sharper - in fact, reading between the lines, i suspected it would be a lower rez. They say things like "less clinical", softer, more pleasing...sounds like lower rez to me!

check out the B3d links. Its the same pixel-counter quaz, who revealed the 640p Halo3, 600p COD4 (not 1080p 60fps that the SDF promised...lol) and the Dark sector 630p (vs 720p 360).

Its no big deal though, the lower screen rez is better anyhow, as long as its higher than 480p

 

[WickedLaharl]

I agree. The difference is very minor, actually. Take a look at the comparison...

Here are two direct feed shots from Dark Sector on both XBOX360 and PS3. The PS3 version runs at the same resolution as GTAIV PS3 while the 360 version is a full 720p (according to Eurogamer, anyways).

Can you see a significant difference?

...

lets try this with eurogamers pic



just look at the infected part of the character model. the difference is obvious.

edit: horribly beaten

 

[gregor7777]

...You didn't question the background or validity of Cal50dot's 360 pop-in gifs when you plastered them all over the PS3 IGN boards together with your enthusiastic "LOLs" last night, so why the sudden worry about "evidence" now...?

Oh shit...

 

[DarkJediKnight]

The right screen looks much better, imo. Sharper and cleaner. Less blurry.

No idea which screen is which version and I don't have a 360 or a PS3.

What are you doing on a gaming forum then? :lol

 

[Evlar]

What are you doing on a gaming forum then? :lol

hur hur hur

 

[CharminUltra]

Here's another Dark Sector shot (full shot) from Eurogamer...

http://images.eurogamer.net/assets/articles//a/1/3/4/3/0/3/Dark_Sector_6.jpg.jpg

Does that really seem like a significant difference to anyone?

That video is so small it's virtually impossible to judge the detail.

The PS3 version seems to have richer and warmer colors, while the 360's feel muted and a bit... sterile? whatever that means.

 

[cyberheater]

Here's another Dark Sector shot (full shot) from Eurogamer...

http://images.eurogamer.net/assets/articles//a/1/3/4/3/0/3/Dark_Sector_6.jpg.jpg

Does that really seem like a significant difference to anyone?

It's not a very good argument your putting forward.

That fact that at two games you've mentioned don't even reach true HD resolutions does not look good for PS3. Anyway you view, it points to sub-par rendering capability.

 

[AZ Greg]

...You didn't question the background or validity of Cal50dot's 360 pop-in gifs when you plastered them all over the PS3 IGN boards together with your enthusiastic "LOLs" last night, so why the long-faced sudden worry about "evidence" now...?

:lol

 

[65536]

Would the same apply for a projector?

Anything. Sharpness should be set to the "neutral" point on the display, whatever that happens to be.

Just because it's ‘correct’ doesn't mean that everyone is going to like it. It will look soft, initially. You need to give yourself some time to adjust. Even after a while, you might prefer to have sharpness turned up a bit, but be warned that it will increase aliasing in games, and does not add detail to the picture. It just exaggerates it.

 

[chubigans]

Well, just finished reading the last thirty pages and

 

[nib95]

...You didn't question the background or validity of Cal50dot's 360 pop-in gifs when you plastered them all over the PS3 IGN boards together with your enthusiastic "LOLs" last night, so why the long-faced sudden worry about "evidence" now...?

That's a bit different. That's "visual evidence" as in, what my own eyes can see and make out. Going by the word of a random forum poster is different. I'm not saying he may not be right, but it would be nice to actually have some evidence. Last I checked, with the Halo 3 blow out there was actual evidence provided. Screens and pixel comparisons etc.

We've seen no actual evidence on this GTA IV business yet. Only the comparisons of other media outlets, all but one (Kotaku) of whom claim the PS3 version looks better.

 

[MirageDwarf]

This is by far most entertaining pre-launch waiting.

Everybody is rat.

 

[d0nd]

I love you crushed, don't ever change.

wow man Crushed, is amazing lol

I hit the floor with that one man

 

[Dalauz]

hay guyz lets talk about MP and dedicated servers

 

[Loudninja]

Edit: forget it, man you guys are crazy.

 

[Creamium]

Well, just finished reading the last thirty pages and

http://www.vertigogaming.net/PSP/willlol.gif[IMG][/QUOTE]

he fast read good

 

[FrankT]

Well, just finished reading the last thirty pages and

What was that?

Bitter Tear Frosting, that was in the OP, right.

 

[MirageDwarf]

hay guyz lets talk about MP and dedicated servers

Why?

This thread is more entertaining this way.


I think I will just flip the coin.

 

[OverHeat]

dark10x since your kuro (1365 x 768) is not even 1080p native I understand that you dont care about the resolution.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/P...+Monitors/PioneerTVs/ci.PDP-5080HD.Kuro?tab=B

 

[Haunted]

What are you doing on a gaming forum then? :lol

 

[CharminUltra]

hay guyz lets talk about MP and dedicated servers

Hellz no! I love paying for P2P, thank you very much

 

[ScrabbleBanshee]

It's not a very good argument your putting forward.

That fact that at two games you've mentioned don't even reach true HD resolutions does not look good for PS3. Anyway you view, it points to sub-par rendering capability.

How about comparing this stuff to first party exclusives developed for the platform (of which we are not even really on a second generation of yet) before waxing on about what doesn't look good for the PS3. The fact that there is even a question about superiority in multi platform titles which were developed for the 360 and migrated to the PS3 says that the hardware is doing something right.

I wonder if Dark Sector or GTA even use any of the SPEs?

 

[CoG]

dark10x since your kuro (1365 x 768) is not even 1080p native I understand that you dont care about the resolution.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/P...+Monitors/PioneerTVs/ci.PDP-5080HD.Kuro?tab=B

Uh oh. That's the worst possible thing to say to a Kuro fanboy.

 

[commariodore64]

Well if the 360 version was running at 630p like the PS3 version it would have less pop up.....

Bailout.gif :lol

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

 

[nelsonroyale]

seriously people are trying very hard....

To be honest, 630p or whatever, virtually every view has given the very slight nod to ps3... cant people accept it and leave it, or must they try keep on trying to find obscure ways to disprove what has been stated...?

Everybody who has played the 360 version has said it looks excellent, cant it be left at that???

its the usual neogaf cheese brownies I suppose

 

[MidgarBlowedUp]

The 360 version has around 30% more pixels than the PS3 version? ... goodness me

Yep, just like RE4 on PS2 had 33% MORE pixels than the GC version. Still, the GC version looked better. It was the superior version.

 

[vpance]

...

lets try this with eurogamers pic



just look at the infected part of the character model. the difference is obvious.

It's like the difference between Blu-ray and dvd. Fuuuckk

 

[Ryuuga]

...You didn't question the background or validity of Cal50dot's 360 pop-in gifs when you plastered them all over the PS3 IGN boards together with your enthusiastic "LOLs" last night, so why the long-faced sudden worry about "evidence" now...?

dark10x since your kuro (1365 x 768) is not even 1080p native I understand that you dont care about the resolution.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/P...+Monitors/PioneerTVs/ci.PDP-5080HD.Kuro?tab=B

Lord have mercy....

 

[qirex99]

That's a bit different. That's "visual evidence" as in, what my own eyes can see and make out. Going by the word of a random forum poster is different. I'm not saying he may not be right, but it would be nice to actually have some evidence. Last I checked, with the Halo 3 blow out there was actual evidence provided. Screens and pixel comparisons etc.

We've seen no actual evidence on this GTA IV business yet. Only the comparisons of other media outlets, all but one (Kotaku) of whom claim the PS3 version looks better.

bitter tears indeed...

:lol :lol

 

[Death Dealer]

Does he provide any evidence? I fail to se how 7+ sites could say the PS3 version looks sharper or better when the resolution is lower? Has Quaz said anything further? or are we going by this one single sentence he made?

He doesn't need evidence to state an opinion. How could it be ? Because there is more to graphics than the native resolution.

 

[BeeDog]

hay guys wha---

Is there any place other than GAF where this debate rages on like over here?

 

[Davidion]

Yep, just like RE4 on PS2 had 33% MORE pixels than the GC version. Still, the GC version looked better. It was the superior version.

Damn, even the Gamecube is getting dragged into this one. :lol

 

[Sibylus]

Spoiler

Repost, damn end of that page gobbled this up