You have to take in consideraction Zeta was unique and it's own thing.
Given AGE and Destiny rip it off Zeta is very much relevant and needs to be respected at the very least give those two series rip it off whole sale at times.
You have to take in consideraction Zeta was unique and it's own thing.
Given AGE and Destiny rip it off Zeta is very much relevant and needs to be respected at the very least give those two series rip it off whole sale at times.
Of course and so is the second arc of AGE. But dude being in a robot building club and using a transformable flying Gundam are similarities. They probably don't end there either, since I don't remember much of it.
I agree that AGE doesn't ever try to paint Flit as right or even justified at trying to commit genocide. It is one of the reason I don't absolutely hate Flit or Shinn. Their respective shows never try to convince the viewer that these characters are in the right. I would say Destiny is worse, since I do think they tried to justify Shinn near the beginning whenever he threw a tantrum around Cagalli. The second half though is a different story. What a pathetic character.
I agree that AGE doesn't ever try to paint Flit as right or even justified at trying to commit genocide. It is one of the reason I don't absolutely hate Flit or Shinn. Their respective shows never try to convince the viewer that these characters are in the right. I would say Destiny is worse, since I do think they tried to justify Shinn near the beginning whenever he threw a tantrum around Cagalli. The second half though is a different story. What a pathetic character.
I thought Shinn was fairly justified in his angry tantrums towards Cagalli, considering how she acted in almost all of Destiny. One of his rarer moments of being correct.
Putting Flit higher than Asemu is very hard for me to understand. Asemu was more well rounded and intriguing of a character, while Flit seemed to be carryign anger through the gAges.
Putting Flit higher than Asemu is very hard for me to understand. Asemu was more well rounded and intriguing of a character, while Flit seemed to be carryign anger through the gAges.
I wasn't a huge fan of any of those tbh...but everyone's tastes are different so that's just me.
Zeta is just so good. I've loved Gundam since I was a little kid, was easy to do with the robots and flashy battles, but Zeta is the first thing that made see Gundam as more than just robots blowing each other up and as an expansive universe with actual substance and serious, underlying themes. It's simply a classic show through and through imo.
I wasn't a huge fan of any of those tbh...but everyone's tastes are different so that's just me.
Zeta is just so good. I've loved Gundam since I was a little kid, was easy to do with the robots and flashy battles, but Zeta is the first thing that made see Gundam as more than just robots blowing each other up and as an expansive universe with actual substance and serious, underlying themes. It's simply a classic show through and through imo.
Zeta is my favorite. It's got the trifecta, badass music, badass mechs, manly men and bonus points for badass waifus with fucking issues balanced out by some cool ones..
Zeta is my favorite. It's got the trifecta, badass music, badass mechs, manly men and bonus points for badass waifus with fucking issues balanced out by some cool ones..
Cause he's a spoiled brat that thinks the world owed him something. He wasn't the only person to lose their parents during the war. Athrun lost both parents as well. He fought to avenge his mom and during that fight he watched numerous friends of his be killed by HIS BEST FUCKING FRIEND and during that time he wanted revenge, but he still managed to keep his head and make rational decisions and never exploded on people, he did have moments, but they weren't Shinn tier, even after his dad died in front of him. Shinn just couldn't do any of this and on top of this when met with a person that has shared the same personal tragedy as him he couldn't relate to him, he didn't try to learn or even realize this he just saw him as another person to vent his frustrations on. Shinn couldn't learn, he couldn't evolve, he just stayed a screaming asshole
Cause he's a spoiled brat that thinks the world owed him something. He wasn't the only person to lose their parents during the war. Athrun lost both parents as well. He fought to avenge his mom and during that fight he watched numerous friends of his be killed by HIS BEST FUCKING FRIEND and during that time he wanted revenge, but he still managed to keep his head and make rational decisions and never exploded on people, he did have moments, but they weren't Shinn tier, even after his dad died in front of him. Shinn just couldn't do any of this and on top of this when met with a person that has shared the same personal tragedy as him he couldn't relate to him, he didn't try to learn or even realize this he just saw him as another person to vent his frustrations on. Shinn couldn't learn, he couldn't evolve, he just stayed a screaming asshole
I still see him as a Gundam pilot that wasn't even mentally fit to operate a Gundam. He wasn't just some random kid that fell into the cockpit, he was trained by the military. His definition of right and wrong is so skewed that he shouldn't even be allowed to operate a fucking Ball.
AGE is alright. I liked some aspects, but mostly it was just kinda whatever for me. I don't really care for many of the MS designs either, but G-Bouncer is cool.
Cause he's a spoiled brat that thinks the world owed him something. He wasn't the only person to lose their parents during the war. Athrun lost both parents as well. He fought to avenge his mom and during that fight he watched numerous friends of his be killed by HIS BEST FUCKING FRIEND and during that time he wanted revenge, but he still managed to keep his head and make rational decisions and never exploded on people, he did have moments, but they weren't Shinn tier, even after his dad died in front of him. Shinn just couldn't do any of this and on top of this when met with a person that has shared the same personal tragedy as him he couldn't relate to him, he didn't try to learn or even realize this he just saw him as another person to vent his frustrations on. Shinn couldn't learn, he couldn't evolve, he just stayed a screaming asshole
Nah Athrun was writing his undying love for his soul mate Kira Yamato in the stars while he beat down the cry baby.
Athrun has some issues but he is much more believable in the decisions he is making through out SEED then either Shinn/Kira. His switching sides, conflicting feelings and overall motivations are at least I can support to some degree.
I honestly can't fathom rooting for Shinn against Athrun.
Kira and Athrun are both main characters and heroes of Seed. Seed is just as much Athrun's story as it is Kira's. Both Kira and Athrun are responsible for the deaths of each others friends. I see it as a story of two best friends on opposing sides, just that Kira starts on the "right" side and Athrun eventually makes his way towards it. You have to remember that after Seed and for the most part even during it they really don't hold that much of a grudge with each other barring certain events, their main beef is just the fact that they actually have to fight one another. Kira doesn't view Athrun as evil and Athrun doesn't really view Kira is evil. Shit Athrun once kept his team from even capturing Kira. They didn't want to fight each other until the stress of that situation made each other snap and they forced themselves to try to kill each other, which didn't even make Athrun happy when he thought he won. This isn't exactly a Char vs Amuro rivalry since they lacked the past and the narrative nuance that Kira and Athrun have, it's not the same relationship.
My main issue with Athrun in Destiny was that he was going through the exact same character development and struggles as he did in SEED, like he somehow forgot all the resolve he made in the final SEED arc. Which was my major frustration, considering how both Athrun and Cagalli behaved for the majority of Destiny.
Like, there's a parallel between Kamille and Shinn that gets brought up a lot, but Quattro actually properly mentored Kamille, whereas Athrun was too caught up retreading his exact same character arc and let Shinn stew in his own volatility. On top of that, you have Cagalli and Orb pretty much justifying all of Shinn's hatred. It's actually incredibly fascinating how well plot and circumstances are written in a way to make Shinn always make the worst choices.
My main issue with Athrun in Destiny was that he was going through the exact same character development and struggles as he did in SEED, like he somehow forgot all the resolve he made in the final SEED arc. Which was my major frustration, considering how both Athrun and Cagalli behaved for the majority of Destiny.
Like, there's a parallel between Kamille and Shinn that gets brought up a lot, but Quattro actually properly mentored Kamille, whereas Athrun was too caught up retreading his exact same character arc and let Shinn stew in his own volatility. On top of that, you have Cagalli and Orb pretty much justifying all of Shinn's hatred. It's actually incredibly fascinating how well plot and circumstances are written in a way to make Shinn always make the worst choices.
But Emma put just as much effort into raising Kamille as Quattro did. Even with the mentoring Kamille still knocked Quattro out twice. Athrun fucked up with Shinn cause I don't think Athrun is just good in that type of situation. Them retreading Seed character growth with him didn't help either.
Cause he's a spoiled brat that thinks the world owed him something. He wasn't the only person to lose their parents during the war. Athrun lost both parents as well. He fought to avenge his mom and during that fight he watched numerous friends of his be killed by HIS BEST FUCKING FRIEND and during that time he wanted revenge, but he still managed to keep his head and make rational decisions and never exploded on people, he did have moments, but they weren't Shinn tier, even after his dad died in front of him. Shinn just couldn't do any of this and on top of this when met with a person that has shared the same personal tragedy as him he couldn't relate to him, he didn't try to learn or even realize this he just saw him as another person to vent his frustrations on. Shinn couldn't learn, he couldn't evolve, he just stayed a screaming asshole
Shinn is a very weak and childish person. He puts people in danger and doesn't follow orders and then throws a tantrum when he gets reprimanded. Then as soon as he gets validation and praise from anyone (
Stella, Rey, Durandal
), he completely latches onto them and follows them blindly. He has no will of his own and needs to be essentially led on a leash to accomplish anything.
Hell, even at the end he quickly latches onto Kira once Kira gives praise.
MG Rick Dom. Despite the age, it is one hell an kit. no probs with the build, but do be careful not to lose the fingers, and with nub marks. Panel lined, matte sprayed, and a lil amount of decals. Though I wish I didn't add any since it looks so good plain.
Shinn is a very weak and childish person. He puts people in danger and doesn't follow orders and then throws a tantrum when he gets reprimanded. Then as soon as he gets validation and praise from anyone (
Stella, Rey, Durandal
), he completely latches onto them and follows them blindly. He has no will of his own and needs to be essentially led on a leash to accomplish anything.
Hell, even at the end he quickly latches onto Kira once Kira gives praise.
The guy was consoled by the voice of his dead sister that was left on a voice mail recording. He must've obsessively recharged that god damn phone. The kid didn't know how to stand on his own two feet, he always had somebody else do it for him, which always led him in the wrong direction, the bad thing is he didn't realize this himself. Athrun was a guy that defied his own father and made that choice and stuck with hit. Shinn couldn't even defy boy scout leader Paptimus.
Athrun continues to seem like a babysitter to these kids at times. Yet at others he really knows what to say to get Shinn to perform at his optimum and even to say the right things to inspire him to keep doing good. All the anime needed was some red lines on Shinn's faces in many of the scenes.
Lohengrin mission was good because of the flying without being able to see a thing, though I hated how brutal it was with the villagers killing the Earth Forces at point blank range facing away from them. Cruel.
Athrun continues to seem like a babysitter to these kids at times. Yet at others he really knows what to say to get Shinn to perform at his optimum and even to say the right things to inspire him to keep doing good. All the anime needed was some red lines on Shinn's faces in many of the scenes.
Lohengrin mission was good because of the flying without being able to see a thing, though I hated how brutal it was with the villagers killing the Earth Forces at point blank range facing away from them. Cruel.