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The Gundam |OT2| Another 5 years of Gunpla, Origins, and GUNDAMUUUU!

RangerBAD

Member
You have to take in consideraction Zeta was unique and it's own thing.

Given AGE and Destiny rip it off Zeta is very much relevant and needs to be respected at the very least give those two series rip it off whole sale at times.

Yup, and even SEED is a similar premise to 0079 just with the genetic modification twist and Kira getting angry sex from Flay.

Seed Destiny is a very bad version of Zeta.

Of course and so is the second arc of AGE. But dude being in a robot building club and using a transformable flying Gundam are similarities. They probably don't end there either, since I don't remember much of it.
 

Beth Cyra

Member
How the fuck is that possible. That's like scrapping the bottom of the barrel and digging straight into a toilet.
Flit Aseno.

It's like the worst character even conceived....they litterally try to justify him attempting Genocide!

Plus it actually has husbando's more hot for each other then Treize/Wufei and Kira/Athrun combined.
 

CBTech

Member
Flit was the only good part of age. And they definitely don't justify good genocide. He is definitely protrayed as wrong

I agree that AGE doesn't ever try to paint Flit as right or even justified at trying to commit genocide. It is one of the reason I don't absolutely hate Flit or Shinn. Their respective shows never try to convince the viewer that these characters are in the right. I would say Destiny is worse, since I do think they tried to justify Shinn near the beginning whenever he threw a tantrum around Cagalli. The second half though is a different story. What a pathetic character.
 

CBTech

Member
Best part of AGE is that every main character becomes a terrible father. Why have the terrible/absentee father trope once when you can have it twice!
 
I agree that AGE doesn't ever try to paint Flit as right or even justified at trying to commit genocide. It is one of the reason I don't absolutely hate Flit or Shinn. Their respective shows never try to convince the viewer that these characters are in the right. I would say Destiny is worse, since I do think they tried to justify Shinn near the beginning whenever he threw a tantrum around Cagalli. The second half though is a different story. What a pathetic character.
I thought Shinn was fairly justified in his angry tantrums towards Cagalli, considering how she acted in almost all of Destiny. One of his rarer moments of being correct.
 

Beth Cyra

Member
Putting Flit higher than Asemu is very hard for me to understand. Asemu was more well rounded and intriguing of a character, while Flit seemed to be carryign anger through the gAges.
Well Woolf is the best as he pilots Ultra Magnus and is boss.

Zeheart/Asemu make Kira/Athrun jelly with their sexy love.

Flit I strongly can not see eye to eye with anyone who would try to defend that shallow putz.
 

Fjordson

Member
If its ever added to streaming and its not as good as Seed/Destiny and Age, I will weep.
I wasn't a huge fan of any of those tbh...but everyone's tastes are different so that's just me.

Zeta is just so good. I've loved Gundam since I was a little kid, was easy to do with the robots and flashy battles, but Zeta is the first thing that made see Gundam as more than just robots blowing each other up and as an expansive universe with actual substance and serious, underlying themes. It's simply a classic show through and through imo.
 
JadedWriter you should watch Age and do reviews for each episode as you go.

As for the Flit discussion. Flit is basically a friendlier Amuro, who then grows up to be CCA Char. It's kinda weird.
 
I wasn't a huge fan of any of those tbh...but everyone's tastes are different so that's just me.

Zeta is just so good. I've loved Gundam since I was a little kid, was easy to do with the robots and flashy battles, but Zeta is the first thing that made see Gundam as more than just robots blowing each other up and as an expansive universe with actual substance and serious, underlying themes. It's simply a classic show through and through imo.
Zeta is my favorite. It's got the trifecta, badass music, badass mechs, manly men and bonus points for badass waifus with fucking issues balanced out by some cool ones..
JadedWriter you should watch Age and do reviews for each episode as you go.

As for the Flit discussion. Flit is basically a friendlier Amuro, who then grows up to be CCA Char. It's kinda weird.
Are my episodic reviews becoming legendary?
 

RangerBAD

Member
Zeta is my favorite. It's got the trifecta, badass music, badass mechs, manly men and bonus points for badass waifus with fucking issues balanced out by some cool ones..

Are my episodic reviews becoming legendary?

No, some people like to watch the world burn. I don't think it's as terrible as 00 season 2.
 
Why do you guys hate Shinn so much? He just wanted revenge on Jesus-Kira for killing his gf.
Cause he's a spoiled brat that thinks the world owed him something. He wasn't the only person to lose their parents during the war. Athrun lost both parents as well. He fought to avenge his mom and during that fight he watched numerous friends of his be killed by HIS BEST FUCKING FRIEND and during that time he wanted revenge, but he still managed to keep his head and make rational decisions and never exploded on people, he did have moments, but they weren't Shinn tier, even after his dad died in front of him. Shinn just couldn't do any of this and on top of this when met with a person that has shared the same personal tragedy as him he couldn't relate to him, he didn't try to learn or even realize this he just saw him as another person to vent his frustrations on. Shinn couldn't learn, he couldn't evolve, he just stayed a screaming asshole
till Athrun kicked his ass for the final time.
 

Beth Cyra

Member
Cause he's a spoiled brat that thinks the world owed him something. He wasn't the only person to lose their parents during the war. Athrun lost both parents as well. He fought to avenge his mom and during that fight he watched numerous friends of his be killed by HIS BEST FUCKING FRIEND and during that time he wanted revenge, but he still managed to keep his head and make rational decisions and never exploded on people, he did have moments, but they weren't Shinn tier, even after his dad died in front of him. Shinn just couldn't do any of this and on top of this when met with a person that has shared the same personal tragedy as him he couldn't relate to him, he didn't try to learn or even realize this he just saw him as another person to vent his frustrations on. Shinn couldn't learn, he couldn't evolve, he just stayed a screaming asshole
till Athrun kicked his ass for the final time.
If only Destiny could have been as satisfying as the last episode.

So lovely for a few moments there.
 
If only Destiny could have been as satisfying as the last episode.

So lovely for a few moments there.
I still see him as a Gundam pilot that wasn't even mentally fit to operate a Gundam. He wasn't just some random kid that fell into the cockpit, he was trained by the military. His definition of right and wrong is so skewed that he shouldn't even be allowed to operate a fucking Ball.
 
AGE is alright. I liked some aspects, but mostly it was just kinda whatever for me. I don't really care for many of the MS designs either, but G-Bouncer is cool.

x is still my favorite non-UC series tbh
 

Hero

Member
Cause he's a spoiled brat that thinks the world owed him something. He wasn't the only person to lose their parents during the war. Athrun lost both parents as well. He fought to avenge his mom and during that fight he watched numerous friends of his be killed by HIS BEST FUCKING FRIEND and during that time he wanted revenge, but he still managed to keep his head and make rational decisions and never exploded on people, he did have moments, but they weren't Shinn tier, even after his dad died in front of him. Shinn just couldn't do any of this and on top of this when met with a person that has shared the same personal tragedy as him he couldn't relate to him, he didn't try to learn or even realize this he just saw him as another person to vent his frustrations on. Shinn couldn't learn, he couldn't evolve, he just stayed a screaming asshole
till Athrun kicked his ass for the final time.

Whoa, whoa, are you rooting for Athrun? Him and his friends were trying to kill Kira and everyone else in the first series.
 

Beth Cyra

Member
Whoa, whoa, are you rooting for Athrun? Him and his friends were trying to kill Kira and everyone else in the first series.
In the end?

Nah Athrun was writing his undying love for his soul mate Kira Yamato in the stars while he beat down the cry baby.

Athrun has some issues but he is much more believable in the decisions he is making through out SEED then either Shinn/Kira. His switching sides, conflicting feelings and overall motivations are at least I can support to some degree.

I honestly can't fathom rooting for Shinn against Athrun.
 
Whoa, whoa, are you rooting for Athrun? Him and his friends were trying to kill Kira and everyone else in the first series.
Kira and Athrun are both main characters and heroes of Seed. Seed is just as much Athrun's story as it is Kira's. Both Kira and Athrun are responsible for the deaths of each others friends. I see it as a story of two best friends on opposing sides, just that Kira starts on the "right" side and Athrun eventually makes his way towards it. You have to remember that after Seed and for the most part even during it they really don't hold that much of a grudge with each other barring certain events, their main beef is just the fact that they actually have to fight one another. Kira doesn't view Athrun as evil and Athrun doesn't really view Kira is evil. Shit Athrun once kept his team from even capturing Kira. They didn't want to fight each other until the stress of that situation made each other snap and they forced themselves to try to kill each other, which didn't even make Athrun happy when he thought he won. This isn't exactly a Char vs Amuro rivalry since they lacked the past and the narrative nuance that Kira and Athrun have, it's not the same relationship.
 
My main issue with Athrun in Destiny was that he was going through the exact same character development and struggles as he did in SEED, like he somehow forgot all the resolve he made in the final SEED arc. Which was my major frustration, considering how both Athrun and Cagalli behaved for the majority of Destiny.

Like, there's a parallel between Kamille and Shinn that gets brought up a lot, but Quattro actually properly mentored Kamille, whereas Athrun was too caught up retreading his exact same character arc and let Shinn stew in his own volatility. On top of that, you have Cagalli and Orb pretty much justifying all of Shinn's hatred. It's actually incredibly fascinating how well plot and circumstances are written in a way to make Shinn always make the worst choices.
 
My main issue with Athrun in Destiny was that he was going through the exact same character development and struggles as he did in SEED, like he somehow forgot all the resolve he made in the final SEED arc. Which was my major frustration, considering how both Athrun and Cagalli behaved for the majority of Destiny.

Like, there's a parallel between Kamille and Shinn that gets brought up a lot, but Quattro actually properly mentored Kamille, whereas Athrun was too caught up retreading his exact same character arc and let Shinn stew in his own volatility. On top of that, you have Cagalli and Orb pretty much justifying all of Shinn's hatred. It's actually incredibly fascinating how well plot and circumstances are written in a way to make Shinn always make the worst choices.
But Emma put just as much effort into raising Kamille as Quattro did. Even with the mentoring Kamille still knocked Quattro out twice. Athrun fucked up with Shinn cause I don't think Athrun is just good in that type of situation. Them retreading Seed character growth with him didn't help either.
 

CBTech

Member
Cause he's a spoiled brat that thinks the world owed him something. He wasn't the only person to lose their parents during the war. Athrun lost both parents as well. He fought to avenge his mom and during that fight he watched numerous friends of his be killed by HIS BEST FUCKING FRIEND and during that time he wanted revenge, but he still managed to keep his head and make rational decisions and never exploded on people, he did have moments, but they weren't Shinn tier, even after his dad died in front of him. Shinn just couldn't do any of this and on top of this when met with a person that has shared the same personal tragedy as him he couldn't relate to him, he didn't try to learn or even realize this he just saw him as another person to vent his frustrations on. Shinn couldn't learn, he couldn't evolve, he just stayed a screaming asshole
till Athrun kicked his ass for the final time.

Shinn is a very weak and childish person. He puts people in danger and doesn't follow orders and then throws a tantrum when he gets reprimanded. Then as soon as he gets validation and praise from anyone (
Stella, Rey, Durandal
), he completely latches onto them and follows them blindly. He has no will of his own and needs to be essentially led on a leash to accomplish anything.
Hell, even at the end he quickly latches onto Kira once Kira gives praise.
 

TheFlow

Banned
MG Rick Dom. Despite the age, it is one hell an kit. no probs with the build, but do be careful not to lose the fingers, and with nub marks. Panel lined, matte sprayed, and a lil amount of decals. Though I wish I didn't add any since it looks so good plain.

9/10






photos are filtered.
 
Shinn is a very weak and childish person. He puts people in danger and doesn't follow orders and then throws a tantrum when he gets reprimanded. Then as soon as he gets validation and praise from anyone (
Stella, Rey, Durandal
), he completely latches onto them and follows them blindly. He has no will of his own and needs to be essentially led on a leash to accomplish anything.
Hell, even at the end he quickly latches onto Kira once Kira gives praise.
The guy was consoled by the voice of his dead sister that was left on a voice mail recording. He must've obsessively recharged that god damn phone. The kid didn't know how to stand on his own two feet, he always had somebody else do it for him, which always led him in the wrong direction, the bad thing is he didn't realize this himself. Athrun was a guy that defied his own father and made that choice and stuck with hit. Shinn couldn't even defy boy scout leader Paptimus.
 
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Athrun continues to seem like a babysitter to these kids at times. Yet at others he really knows what to say to get Shinn to perform at his optimum and even to say the right things to inspire him to keep doing good. All the anime needed was some red lines on Shinn's faces in many of the scenes.

Lohengrin mission was good because of the flying without being able to see a thing, though I hated how brutal it was with the villagers killing the Earth Forces at point blank range facing away from them. Cruel.
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Gundam Seed Destiny Episode 18
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Athrun continues to seem like a babysitter to these kids at times. Yet at others he really knows what to say to get Shinn to perform at his optimum and even to say the right things to inspire him to keep doing good. All the anime needed was some red lines on Shinn's faces in many of the scenes.

Lohengrin mission was good because of the flying without being able to see a thing, though I hated how brutal it was with the villagers killing the Earth Forces at point blank range facing away from them. Cruel.
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Athrun was like, "This is looking a wee bit familiar" at that point.
 
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