Lionel Mandrake
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I liked the movie, but I think I'm just going to wait for the EE.
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The Hobbit - Official Thread of Officially In Production
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PhoncipleBone
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Barnes and Noble had the 2D blu ray for $21.50 today. If you have a membership then it takes another 10% off. I would not be shocked if a coupon showed up this weekend too.
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
The UK doesn't get it until 19 April and no LEGO Bilbo. 
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Will wait for the EE. In fact, maybe I'll wait for the trilogy to be done with.
Man, I do not regret picking up the theatrical release. This sequence alone was worth it; a complete eye & eargasm the whole way through (granted that could be said for the entire film) - especially if you've got a great sound set-up.
Of course it's immediately followed by Thorin McBadass anti-climactically getting curbed-stomped by Azog and becoming Warg food, but I forgive Jackson for the existence of the stick-insect joke because I'd forgotten how great this scene was.
Initially I was irked at Howard Shore using yet another reprise of a track from The Lord of the Rings for this sequence, because it seemed like an out-of-place choice. However after reading some fan theories as to why Shore chose to use that specific track, I've come around to completely loving it. As such I was able to enjoy it in it's entirety
Of course it's immediately followed by Thorin McBadass anti-climactically getting curbed-stomped by Azog and becoming Warg food, but I forgive Jackson for the existence of the stick-insect joke because I'd forgotten how great this scene was.
Initially I was irked at Howard Shore using yet another reprise of a track from The Lord of the Rings for this sequence, because it seemed like an out-of-place choice. However after reading some fan theories as to why Shore chose to use that specific track, I've come around to completely loving it. As such I was able to enjoy it in it's entirety
Quick Mustard
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Edmond Dantès;50810430 said:The UK doesn't get it until 19 April and no LEGO Bilbo.
Amazon says different my friend...?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Hobbit-Unexpected-Journey-Blu-ray/dp/B005EF1YYW/ref=zg_bsnr_383380011_1
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
Must have got my dates mixed up. That's date's a bit better.
Discotheque
Banned
yo wtf at that scene. the setup for it was incredible. he really should have just killed azog right there and then.
You're not making the task of holding out for the EE any easier. :'(
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
Azog is Thorin's personal nemesis throughout the trilogy. Bolg has been assigned to The Necromancer.
We don't know how Azog is still alive. All we know is that he was captured by Thorin and they acted as if he were dead, meaning that they likely executed him.
It's possible to get from UK to Germany without a plane.
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
Napalm_Frank
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I don't know why but I kinda hope that when Smaug talks the mouth movement will be either very subtle or almost non existant, almost like he was using telepathy. I want him to open his maw only when the shit is about to get real and show dem teeth.
Steelyuhas
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Christopher Lee is 90?! HOLY SHIT
BobTheFork
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I need to grab a copy of this in the next few days. I was NOT a fan of the 3d HFR version I saw and I've been waiting to see it vanilla since then.
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
That's kind of how Bilbo will converse with the spiders.
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
The High King of the Reunited Kingdom enjoyed The Hobbit.
The world of film needs more Viggo.
http://www.vulture.com/m/2013/03/viggo-mortensen-everybody-has-a-plan-interview.html
The world of film needs more Viggo.
Discotheque
Banned
Luckily he's got a few projects lined up. One a Dracula film by Neil Marshall
TheJollyCorner
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Alligatorjandro
Banned
Watched this in 3D last night.i enjoyed it more than I thought I would.
I watched this the other day. Wasn't too impressed. It was just...a movie. I didn't feel like there was anything at all that made it stand out or that was noteworthy. The only stuff I liked was seeing the characters from LOTR, but that's only because LOTR was such a fantastic movie, not because those characters did or said anything memorable here. More like nostalgia, really. I didn't feel invested in any of the characters (didn't even know the names of most of them really). I felt like they phoned in this movie even though I'm sure they didn't.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
Nothing to address your Thorin issue, but basically (spoilers for the rest of The Hobbit, and beyond)
the main complaint people had is that they played "Sauron's music" there, Mordor's music, when it's just Azog. The theories involve the idea that since the books establish Azog as dead, and here he is alive again somehow (a movie-only concoction), that maybe the Necromancer brought him back to life. Or at the very least, there could be a Necromancer connection. The music ties in since the Necromancer is in fact Sauron himself. The music here could be giving people unfamiliar with the Hobbit a very sneaky hint of the Necromancer's identity, and suggest that Azog is acting at Sauron's behest.
Ah, thanks for the info.
Napalm_Frank
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I read it could be because
Thorin has one of the dwarven rings and it infulences him negatively, hence the ringwraith music.
I'll spoiler this because it contains some slight spoilers of events that Desolation of Smaug may cover, in the extreme off-chance that any of these theories end up actually being true.
One of the most common theories is that Thorin is in possession of one of the seven rings of power given to the dwarves by Sauron, specifically the ring that was passed down the line of Durin. In the mythology, that particular ring was in the possession of Thorin's father Thráin but retrieved by Sauron before the events of The Hobbit. So in the book, Thorin never possesses a ring of power at all.
However, the theory is that - in the film's continuity - Thorin did, somehow, manage to acquire the ring of power before his father disappeared. Now, the rings of power that Sauron gave the dwarves did not cause them to fall under his control, but instead essentially allowed him to influence them into becoming more greedy, angry, narcissistic, and arrogant. Howard Shore's decision to use the Weathertop theme (aka the track that is most associated with the Nazgûl) makes sense if Thorin does possess one of the rings.
Thinking back to Fellowship (the film), Aragorn has a line when he's explaining who and what the Nazgûl are to Frodo, "They were once men, great kings of men. Then Sauron the deceiver gave to them nine rings of power. Blinded by their greed, they took them without question; one-by-one falling into darkness". The argument is, that's exactly what's happening to Thorin. In that scene, Thorin gets up, turns his back to his friends and companions, and instead of helping them he gives in to his own personal desire for revenge by charging straight towards Azog. No strategy, no plan, just blind rage. The Nazgûl theme makes sense in this instance because, much like the Nine, Thorin is giving in to the influence of a ring of power. It also explains why he's such a complete dick to everyone.
That is of course all predicated upon the baseless theory that Thorin does possess a ring of power - which is never mentioned or even hinted at in the film. I do really like it though, so I've decided to just go with it for now
However, the theory is that - in the film's continuity - Thorin did, somehow, manage to acquire the ring of power before his father disappeared. Now, the rings of power that Sauron gave the dwarves did not cause them to fall under his control, but instead essentially allowed him to influence them into becoming more greedy, angry, narcissistic, and arrogant. Howard Shore's decision to use the Weathertop theme (aka the track that is most associated with the Nazgûl) makes sense if Thorin does possess one of the rings.
Thinking back to Fellowship (the film), Aragorn has a line when he's explaining who and what the Nazgûl are to Frodo, "They were once men, great kings of men. Then Sauron the deceiver gave to them nine rings of power. Blinded by their greed, they took them without question; one-by-one falling into darkness". The argument is, that's exactly what's happening to Thorin. In that scene, Thorin gets up, turns his back to his friends and companions, and instead of helping them he gives in to his own personal desire for revenge by charging straight towards Azog. No strategy, no plan, just blind rage. The Nazgûl theme makes sense in this instance because, much like the Nine, Thorin is giving in to the influence of a ring of power. It also explains why he's such a complete dick to everyone.
That is of course all predicated upon the baseless theory that Thorin does possess a ring of power - which is never mentioned or even hinted at in the film. I do really like it though, so I've decided to just go with it for now
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
I could see them doing that, just because
Thorin being a huge dick throughout the entire trilogy, like he is in the book, is just hard to be sympathetic with. Blaming it on the ring would mesh better with the theme of the movies I think. Make him more of a redeemable character.
I'll spoiler this because it contains some slight spoilers of events that Desolation of Smaug may cover, in the extreme off-chance that any of these theories end up actually being true.
One of the most common theories is that Thorin is in possession of one of the seven rings of power given to the dwarves by Sauron, specifically the ring that was passed down the line of Durin. In the mythology, that particular ring was in the possession of Thorin's father Thráin but retrieved by Sauron before the events of The Hobbit. So in the book, Thorin never possesses a ring of power at all.
However, the theory is that - in the film's continuity - Thorin did, somehow, manage to acquire the ring of power before his father disappeared. Now, the rings of power that Sauron gave the dwarves did not cause them to fall under his control, but instead essentially allowed him to influence them into becoming more greedy, angry, narcissistic, and arrogant. Howard Shore's decision to use the Weathertop theme (aka the track that is most associated with the Nazgûl) makes sense if Thorin does possess one of the rings.
Thinking back to Fellowship (the film), Aragorn has a line when he's explaining who and what the Nazgûl are to Frodo, "They were once men, great kings of men. Then Sauron the deceiver gave to them nine rings of power. Blinded by their greed, they took them without question; one-by-one falling into darkness". The argument is, that's exactly what's happening to Thorin. In that scene, Thorin gets up, turns his back to his friends and companions, and instead of helping them he gives in to his own personal desire for revenge by charging straight towards Azog. No strategy, no plan, just blind rage. The Nazgûl theme makes sense in this instance because, much like the Nine, Thorin is giving in to the influence of a ring of power. It also explains why he's such a complete dick to everyone.
That is of course all predicated upon the baseless theory that Thorin does possess a ring of power - which is never mentioned or even hinted at in the film. I do really like it though, so I've decided to just go with it for now
It sounds too awesome to be true.
Napalm_Frank
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A secret now that only fire can tell.
Yeah, kinda agree. I gotta rewatch the scene and see if they do truly use it as a means to show him being a dick because I didn't exactly get that vibe. His actions felt heroic; the score was just unusual.
He didn't really need to do it though. Thorin got pissed and charged them, it looked heroic but it was really stupid and easily could have led to his death. Bilbo had to bail his ass out for a reason.
I would definitely recommend watching that scene again, they didn't come off as heroic to me - especially watching it now. In the exact frame where Thorin stands up and begins to walk down the tree (the first image I posted near the top of the page) you can see Bilbo and Balin (Thorin's oldest and most trusted friend) are literally dangling from the tree struggling to hold on...and Thorin walks away from them.
He could have helped them up, but they actually go out of their way to show that once Thorin makes eye contact with Azog (this is also right when the Nazgul music kicks in), he doesn't look away or even blink from the time he gets up to the moment where he gets knocked down. At that moment he had one mission and saving his friends from falling to their death wasn't it. The look of shock on Bilbo's face says it all really.
Candeldandel
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Oh yay! I wanted to hear those theories, too, since you'd voiced some disappointment about the number of reprized scores when the movie was released.
I imagine there will be a light shone on a fair amount of decisions by PJ & Co. when the trilogy is over..... aaand I just made myself sad
I imagine there will be a light shone on a fair amount of decisions by PJ & Co. when the trilogy is over..... aaand I just made myself sad
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
One must also factor 'dragon sickness' into the theory which is more in keeping with the Legendarium. The sickness that also afflicted the likes of Turin, Nienor and co in the First Age.
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
According to this interview, Legolas will be in the next two films and Orlando will be returning to New Zealand for more filming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXxhIkOS4zM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
He may have a pretty substantial role in the end. I'm kind of expecting an archery contest between him and Bard. Maybe Bard was his mentor thus explaining his archery skills by the time of The Lord of the Rings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXxhIkOS4zM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
He may have a pretty substantial role in the end. I'm kind of expecting an archery contest between him and Bard. Maybe Bard was his mentor thus explaining his archery skills by the time of The Lord of the Rings.
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
Train, ferry (then more trains or driving through Europe). Really quite easy in this day and age.
You can get a train from London to Paris.
Napalm_Frank
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OT but EU Playstation Plus is having some Middle Earth love these days. Two LOTR games in a row :lol.
I was reading through some old comics a few days back and spotted a (very loose) Donald Duck adaptation of The Hobbit. Characters include the great wizard Sandalf. Story and art were pretty mediocre/bad but it's fun to see stuff like this.
There actually is a much better adaptation of LOTR that is quite old, and I remember there being kinda weird adaptation of LOTR movie craze too.
I was reading through some old comics a few days back and spotted a (very loose) Donald Duck adaptation of The Hobbit. Characters include the great wizard Sandalf
. Story and art were pretty mediocre/bad but it's fun to see stuff like this.There actually is a much better adaptation of LOTR that is quite old, and I remember there being kinda weird adaptation of LOTR movie craze too.
I really like that Thorin theory, but dragon sickness is also likely.
He really does act dickish later on in The Hobbit as well, so we'll get to see which way PJ goes with it. From a pure tie-in / marketing perspective, it would be genius for him to go that route. I also don't think it would upset the fanbase by messing with any lore.
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