The International 2015 | Dota 2 Championships : Presented by Valve | July 26-Aug 8
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GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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wow, did he at least get his take on the prize?
lucebuce12
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Not sure if the players have gotten the money yet, but Aui will definitely get his cut. As he was one of the players on the winning team, he is entitled to the money.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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well at least this isnt the worst case scenario then. still sucks though, bunch of very ungrateful people
lucebuce12
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While I agree it's a shitty decision, the one positive thing to say about the timing is that they did it quickly after TI so he can find a new team relatively quickly. Being a TI champion will certainly increase the amount of teams that will be trying to hire him.
The Dota 2 community has a lot of growing up to do.
No, Aui wasn't "back stabbed." That's sports. EG saw an opportunity to improve their roster and even if it doesn't appear to make a whole lot of sense it should be an okay thing that happens when a team is competing at the professional level.
On the other hand, PPD is totally clueless. No dude, it's everyone's business what you do with your roster. You're not making bank because you're good at a game, you're making bank because you entertain and are an advertisement for said game. You are just a man-boy that's good at a video game if not for your fans, who you do need to answer to, even if you think they're in the wrong.
TI was so great this year performance and presentation-wise but the players and orgs really let Valve and the fans down between EG's awkward awards ceremony, the manager being emotional and unprofessional on Twitter, PPD being tonedef and clueless and the drama in general regarding post-TI roster changes.
The framework is now there for a serious and sustainable professional "esport" but we need basic media training and some level of professionalism from the players and organizations. I don't want it to be unfun, just not embarrassing.
No, Aui wasn't "back stabbed." That's sports. EG saw an opportunity to improve their roster and even if it doesn't appear to make a whole lot of sense it should be an okay thing that happens when a team is competing at the professional level.
On the other hand, PPD is totally clueless. No dude, it's everyone's business what you do with your roster. You're not making bank because you're good at a game, you're making bank because you entertain and are an advertisement for said game. You are just a man-boy that's good at a video game if not for your fans, who you do need to answer to, even if you think they're in the wrong.
TI was so great this year performance and presentation-wise but the players and orgs really let Valve and the fans down between EG's awkward awards ceremony, the manager being emotional and unprofessional on Twitter, PPD being tonedef and clueless and the drama in general regarding post-TI roster changes.
The framework is now there for a serious and sustainable professional "esport" but we need basic media training and some level of professionalism from the players and organizations. I don't want it to be unfun, just not embarrassing.
ashecitism
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The majors will be above a mill each? Then Valve will really have no excuse to keep the GO majors at 250k.
I'd bet anything that Valve would sort him out if he didn't.
basically how I see it.
Yep. There's plenty of examples of Football (Soccer) teams winning a major honour, and then going on to replace a few folks with someone better.
But it wasn't a business decision, really. They just let "the team" make the decision. Reading the PR it sounded like they were perfectly happy with the TI-winning lineup. That's not really comparable with other pro sports where the squad usually has zero input on the lineup. Sometimes not even the coach gets a say! 
But i do agree with the general sentiment, and i wouldn't call it a "backstab".
But i do agree with the general sentiment, and i wouldn't call it a "backstab".
TheAutomator
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in the football world if you kick out a valuable player after winning a major trophy, then the fanbase and the media will most certainly flip their shit. that's sports.
examples: Di Maria, Mesut Ozil, Thiago Silva, Ibra, Tevez
Jay Shadow
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spindoctor
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Wouldn't blame him for a second. But of course it would probably constitute breach of contract and they'd sue him.
theprodigy
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Wait, where did you hear this?
ashecitism
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It's in that Nahaz tweet posted above.
StrongArmSteady
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They are most likely using the TI money and hats to subsidize it...so unless the GO hats are as popular as Dota 2, I dont believe they'll change the prrise pool.
Shining Sunshine
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Don't they sign contracts? You can't suddenly fire someone like that if they sign a contract.
StrongArmSteady
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They typically end after TI, I'm guessing they didnt choose to renew it...
Shining Sunshine
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StrongArmSteady
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I guess he didnt expect to leave EG....in fact no one did...
Trickster
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It just doesn't make a lot of sense looking from the outside. They won the championship in large part because the opponent team had to spent their most important hero bans on specifically the heroes that Aui plays. It also doesn't really seem like he's an anker weighing them down during matches. Dude plays really well.
Also based on his reaction it also sounds like it was kinda out of nowhere. Which, if this is all about making room for RTZ returning to EG, is probably very much the case.
Lol @ people making this out to be some strategic team decision.
This is some bunch of kids making decisions that could potentially make or loose them millions. This, if anything, is what happens when success goes to your head. You are feeling all invincible thinking you have it all figured out after winning big. They played with RTZ before and it didn't work out. Have they all become wiser people in the past couple months and think it'd magically work out now for some reason? Can Fear stack up to aui_2000 as a position 4 nowdays? Why take all these risks?
This is also why you normally have managers and coaches dealing with this kind of stuff, not the players.
All the best to aui_2000, he is without a doubt one of the best supports playing Dota 2 right now.
Why take a looser when you had a winner though? Everyone knows RTZ is a great player. Everyone also knows he has a big ego that has clashed with teammates before.
This is some bunch of kids making decisions that could potentially make or loose them millions. This, if anything, is what happens when success goes to your head. You are feeling all invincible thinking you have it all figured out after winning big. They played with RTZ before and it didn't work out. Have they all become wiser people in the past couple months and think it'd magically work out now for some reason? Can Fear stack up to aui_2000 as a position 4 nowdays? Why take all these risks?
This is also why you normally have managers and coaches dealing with this kind of stuff, not the players.
All the best to aui_2000, he is without a doubt one of the best supports playing Dota 2 right now.
Why take a looser when you had a winner though? Everyone knows RTZ is a great player. Everyone also knows he has a big ego that has clashed with teammates before.
It's not handled in such a juvenile manner in other sports
BlastProcessing
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basically how I see it.
Agreed
My (equally silly) analogous argument is that you do pass on Lebron James if it means you have to cut Bill Russell to get him.
It seems like Aui was the one cut because he wasn't as good of friends with Arteezy as Fear is. I have real doubts about whether or not this actually improves EG. They have improved their carry at the risk of hurting their support play. There are plenty of mediocre teams that have strong carries, but I can't think of a great team that didn't have stellar support play.
Sure it is. Many times players hear they have been traded or cut via social media.
Other sports aren't controlled entirely by 20-somethings. Other sports have guys who have been a part of it since 1965. Other sports have support structures for the team that take care of things like this, committees outside of even management who design on player trades and transfers.
And yeah, even then, there are instances like social media being aware that a manager is getting fired before he hears anything about it. It's all a bit cutthroat.
All the people saying the Aui situation is totally normal in other sports:
Yes it is, and people get pissed about it there too. Players switching teams is the source of huge amounts of angst and endless column inches, so I doubt this is something esports are going to 'grow up' about, the rest of the sporting world sure hasn't.
Yes it is, and people get pissed about it there too. Players switching teams is the source of huge amounts of angst and endless column inches, so I doubt this is something esports are going to 'grow up' about, the rest of the sporting world sure hasn't.
Wait a second here. Aui is great, but I wouldn't go comparing him to Bill fucking Russell just yet.
I also don't think it was about Fear's relationship with RTZ(aside from RTZ saying he wouldn't join if Fear was kicked) all that much. Fear has been the core of EG as long as EG has been in Dota pretty much. He has pretty much earned that roster spot as long as he is physically able to play and compete, and I don't think he was ever a likely target to be kicked.
The real question I have about this move is why EG didn't just bring RTZ on and create a 6 man roster. Surely they have the funding to support that, and having a player like Aui or Fear to come off the bench seems super strong. I'm interested to see which team is the first to take advantage of the extra roster spots, as it seems like a huge benefit.
I get the concerns about team cohesion or the potential salt from whoever gets stuck as the 6th man, but it's such a massive strategic advantage, and if you are a pro being paid, shut the fuck up and do your job, IMO.
BlastProcessing
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I think comparing Aui to Russell is equally silly as comparing Arteezy to LeBron. I picked Russell because he was dominant but was always underrated. People don't respect the rebound like they should. Maybe I should have gone with Rodman? Meh, analogies always end up sucking anyway.
I think an organization would need strong leadership outside of the player captain to pull off managing a bench. All the players would need to be on equal footing and follow the coach's instructions about who plays when. Dota orgs just aren't there yet (and I am not sure that they ever should get there). Without that I think salt always wins the day.
ashecitism
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shadow2810
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I'm not sure but feel like he's trying to make Aui one of the worst players to play with so he can justify the kick.
One Punch-Man
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You're definitely not sure of yourself.
Gully State
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I was chatting about this with a co-worker the other day who's way more knowledgeable about DOTA. My initial gut reaction was...what? how could you cut Aui? Who's going to play support? What about the Techies respect ban? Naga? etc.. etc..He then proceeds to tell me about how based on what he saw, while Aui did some obviously good things, most of the time the rest of the team was creating space for him to pull him up to be effective. Supports ideally are supposed to create space for cores to farm not the other way around. I remember him making a comment during the international about how Aui was away from team fights a lot of the times just farming away. It worked out well this time but with a new patch that will greatly shift the meta dropping soon, someone like Aui could become dead weight...At least with Arteezy and the rest of the team, you know that mismatches can be had independent of balance changes. These were conversations that we had spanning the international to early Monday morning (so ahead of PPD's post)
So it was interesting to read PPD's post this morning and see how spot on my co-worker's comments were in terms of analysis. That said...PPD shouldn't have written this post or at least omitted the negative and borderline hateful stuff about Aui. As a pro player, you don't have the responsibility to explain your decision to the fans, leave that to the talking heads. If you win, you were right. If you lose, take the loss and move on..
I thought initially the cut was questionable too but it's a business decision and PPD made it. It was a hard call and may blow up in his face. But I at least commend him on making it quickly so that Aui could find another team. I think that needs to be pointed out.
Russell isn't underrated by a longshot. When your legacy is most winningest player in league history and are consistently acknowledged by the players/writers/fans as such, you aren't underrated. Yeah, the Lebron analogy isn't exactly accurate either but Arteezy is a consensus top tier core player in the scene. I dunno if anyone would rank Aui as highly in his role over time.
I don't even care about the kick, I'm sure it makes sense for them and I can totally see Aui not meshing that well with the team, but there's a way to clear that stuff up without writing a blog post totally shitting on the guy. This whole fiasco just underlines how young everyone in pro dota is.
Gully State
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LucidMomentum
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Normally I'd agree, but Aui's way of stirring things up via twitter preemptively kind of forced his hand.
