patrickthehedgehog
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*crosses fingers for bad netcode in SCV* hehehe just kidding.
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The King Of Fighters XIII + Steam Edition |OT| Now on Steam with Improved Netcode!
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*crosses fingers for bad netcode in SCV* hehehe just kidding.
Terareflection
Member
TBH, I don't think the netcode will be very good in that game.
If Marvel is any indication, it honestly popularity more than anything.
True, but that's obvious. Part of gameplay is access to the game the way it's meant to be played though. I judge fighters based on how they play online, since that's the vast majority of my play, and has been for about 8-9 years now.
If it wasn't for online kaillera/GGPO, I'd never have gotten into KOF anyways.
As for SC5 I think the floor for that game netcode wise is Tekken 6. Much of the issues with Tekken 6 online is due to how Tekken is supposed to be played (heavy emphasis on reactive play and whiff punishment). SC5 seems to be more focused on anticipatory play and mixup, which makes the game friendlier to online. So even with mediocre netcode the game should be playable. (I define playable as being capable of learning the game sufficiently to play offline via online) My one worry about online will be Just Guards, which won't be lag-friendly.
A game's design is a large factor in how a game handles online.
patrickthehedgehog
Member
Recent convo I had with a UMvC3 playing friend:
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me:
d00d
*link to amazon buy one get one half off*
KOF is part of the deal
half price if there's another game you want
Friend:
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM\
Intruiging
me:
there's some good games on that list too
12:19 PM
Friend:
I will get KoFXIII in time.. haha
I hope it makes the Greatest Hits list
And then drops $10
Hahaha
I may be a little cheap
me:
It'll never make greatest hits I'm afraid
Friend:
B-b-b-b-b-b-ut
me:
You seemed more interested in it than most people I've talked to!
Friend:
Haha it's a really stylish game
And I think I can get into it
At least casually
It's just I don't have much time right now to devote to learning something new
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It's hard for me not to look at UMvC3 with disdain...
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me:
d00d
*link to amazon buy one get one half off*
KOF is part of the deal
half price if there's another game you want
Friend:
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM\
Intruiging
me:
there's some good games on that list too
12:19 PM
Friend:
I will get KoFXIII in time.. haha
I hope it makes the Greatest Hits list
And then drops $10
Hahaha
I may be a little cheap
me:
It'll never make greatest hits I'm afraid
Friend:
B-b-b-b-b-b-ut
me:
You seemed more interested in it than most people I've talked to!
Friend:
Haha it's a really stylish game
And I think I can get into it
At least casually
It's just I don't have much time right now to devote to learning something new
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It's hard for me not to look at UMvC3 with disdain...
Terareflection
Member
Input lag will make any fighter horribly unplayable no matter what they are doing, SSing a vertical isn't worth shit if my SS comes out two seconds later.
two seconds of input lag kills any fighter. 3-4f of input lag is a much bigger deal in some fighters then other fighters.
Even with GGPO some fighters played much better then other fighters when playing the same person.
patrickthehedgehog
Member
Is it possible that the gameplay of KOF in all iterations is the reason (or a large part of) why netplay has always been janky?
Every single Namco fighter has had horrible netcode. T5, SC4, T6. Horrible.
Mixups in lag lol. Safe lows all day.
GGPO!
Srsly, not trolling. KoF2k2 plays great on GGPO.
patrickthehedgehog
Member
GGPO!
Srsly, not trolling. KoF2k2 plays great on GGPO.
Good to know that it's possible outside of the Neo Geo Station releases.
XIII is so strange. I had about 10 matches with a random person I had a 3 bar connection to and the game played as if he was sitting right next to me, but when I played my buddy that lives 10 miles away we had 4 bar connections and pretty crappy lag. I wonder if some router/port skillz would fix our problem. Too bad I don't understand that stuff...
Phoenixazure
Member
http://www.atlus.com/kofxiii/
EX Kyo added to the character section, with previews for all his moves.
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His DP and Rekka starters have Autoguard
EX Kyo added to the character section, with previews for all his moves.
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His DP and Rekka starters have Autoguard
I played a friend in the same state. We had a 3 bar connection, but one round had about 1 second of input lag, the other matches were barely playable. So inconsistent.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Man Ex Iori is so much fun to play .
Look like i going to have to add him to one of my teams.
Look like i going to have to add him to one of my teams.
I don't think so. KOF on GGPO was superior to many Capcom games, and there are sufficient buffers. It's just shoddy netcode.
NEST Kyo Will be available Dec 20th, as it says in the DLC section on the Atlus XIII site. Going by that schedule, Mr. Karate will POSSIBLY be released Jan 3rd.
Fersis, they also mention on the site that the Saiki and Billy unlocks are first, but that other unlocks will be available "later".
NEST Kyo movelist looks so complex, lol. Not that it really IS, but still, just looking at the movelist on the Atlus site makes him look ridiculous. It's a shame how few of those moves I ever really see used in game... (-_-
Anywho, not much or an F.Iori user myself, but playing with him a bit is helping me tighten my Rekka timing even more, and he's actually just really fun to play here. I kinda like the fact he's a bit more punishable now, similiar to what happened with Leona, forces more variety into your offensive.
Fersis, they also mention on the site that the Saiki and Billy unlocks are first, but that other unlocks will be available "later".
NEST Kyo movelist looks so complex, lol. Not that it really IS, but still, just looking at the movelist on the Atlus site makes him look ridiculous. It's a shame how few of those moves I ever really see used in game... (-_-
Anywho, not much or an F.Iori user myself, but playing with him a bit is helping me tighten my Rekka timing even more, and he's actually just really fun to play here. I kinda like the fact he's a bit more punishable now, similiar to what happened with Leona, forces more variety into your offensive.
Thanks for the SAB CA!
BTW some the of the conversations against EX Iori are priceless. ie: Joe calling him an Emo
And of course if you finish the arcade mode you get a kickass Iori picture
NESTS Kyo Combo vid (Esaka at Night)
BTW some the of the conversations against EX Iori are priceless. ie: Joe calling him an Emo
And of course if you finish the arcade mode you get a kickass Iori picture
NESTS Kyo Combo vid (Esaka at Night)
GrayFoxPL
Member
Wrong. People can do insane shit even at 2 bars, 3 is the norm. It's just about adjusting properly.
CadetMahoney
Member
speaking about the lag, it doesn't necessarily mean the netcode is crap, if the connection is shared in a household it could be sharing the same connection with their wireless devices, or someone else rinsing youtube/facebook at the same time.
If you leave an iphone connected to a router, even though it is not downloading anything it will still cause a bit of lag. My friend goes into router settings, turns off wireless devices and then turns them on again after finish playing.
If you leave an iphone connected to a router, even though it is not downloading anything it will still cause a bit of lag. My friend goes into router settings, turns off wireless devices and then turns them on again after finish playing.
Holy Order Sol
Member
Awesome. I wonder how that affects safe jumps.
I've been full HD comboed in 1 bar KOF. Online play quality isn't just about combos.
SolarKnight
Member
Huh, maybe NESTS Kyo can't cancel df+D, but it looks like he can link it into specials.
GrayFoxPL
Member
If you realized that safe lows is a fact in t6 then either you're doing something wrong or someone plays you wrong.
Team Norcal qualifiers for SCR this sunday
Stremead by the always awesome iPlaywinner staff.
Stremead by the always awesome iPlaywinner staff.
I'm not the one who said lows are safe online.
SolarKnight
Member
When he did sC->df+D->qcf+C there was neither an HD cancel message nor did the drive bar go down.
GrayFoxPL
Member
Sorry, didn't realize it wasn't him that posted back.
I never played T6 post patch, so maybe it was better. Playing around launch was KoF12 levels of horrible.
Although I don't see a need to adjust to subpar playing conditions.
AlphaDragoon
Member
Holy fuck at that NESTS Kyo video. Best Kyo is back in force, baby.
InfiniDragon
Member
I had to go sit down somewhere after seeing that NESTS Kyo video.
My god. Exactly what I wanted. EXACTLY.
My god. Exactly what I wanted. EXACTLY.
sixteen-bit
Member
ballin' vid.
Holy Order Sol
Member
Sharing fresh stuff straight from the lab, feel free to test further in case I've overlooked something or messed up execution-wise:
Against a cornered opponent, Clark gets a safe jump after landing an air grab right after b~f+A (just hold uf, the only thing you need to time is the button press). I tested that with jump C, as I expected I could block Kyo's EX DP but not his instant EX DM nor Shen's explosion DM.
Now if you buffer hcb+K, you get an option select since if they roll on your jump-in, they get grabbed (and thrown back in the corner), but since the motion includes downback and back, you still block the reversal attempts. 1-frame grabs seem to beat the setup if they are invincible though (Kyo's EX hcb+K). Also, you cannot block a blowback attack on the jump-in.
Might be worth testing with jump CD.
Against a cornered opponent, Clark gets a safe jump after landing an air grab right after b~f+A (just hold uf, the only thing you need to time is the button press). I tested that with jump C, as I expected I could block Kyo's EX DP but not his instant EX DM nor Shen's explosion DM.
Now if you buffer hcb+K, you get an option select since if they roll on your jump-in, they get grabbed (and thrown back in the corner), but since the motion includes downback and back, you still block the reversal attempts. 1-frame grabs seem to beat the setup if they are invincible though (Kyo's EX hcb+K). Also, you cannot block a blowback attack on the jump-in.
Might be worth testing with jump CD.
GrayFoxPL
Member
You didn't play a lot since patch was released quickly. And yes patch made huge improvements to online, probably one of the best netcode patches overall but saying it was kof12 levels before is a ridiculous hyperbole. There's no other fg with worse online then kof12, and that counting mkvsdc and mk deception on PS2. Maybe you mistook it with Tekken 5 DR which was a lagfest but even pre patch T6 had from 500-700ms less input lag then DR and it got way much smoother with a patch.
So please don't spread misinformation if you haven't even played the game properly.
Nope. Was horrible --> Stopped playing online.
Didn't even know they released a patch, but I stand by my opinion which is irrelevant since it's apparently much better now.
GrayFoxPL
Member
Nope. Was horrible --> Stopped playing online.
Didn't even know they released a patch, but I stand by my opinion which is irrelevant since it's apparently much better now.
They released a patch a month after premiere which is very quick since whole approval and testing process at Sony takes weeks.
Maybe before shouting left and right how bad something is you should try to update your experience from 3 years ago?
I have people to play with offline. No need to go back.
I haven't heard anybody else say the online is THAT much better, either. I don't think one post about the online being horrible in reference to SC5 is "shouting left and right," haha.
Anyway, I'm sorry I offended you by saying T6's online sucks. I admitted I was wrong. Back on topic.
I don't see him do that in the vid w/o HD cancel. Timestamp?
I remember that in the arcade version, Andy couldn't cancel from his st.B, st.D target combo. But while he could do that in HD mode, it didn't deplete any of the drive bar and there was no HD cancel message.
I believe that in the console version this is the case with Joe's slide as well (apart from cancelling into his rapid.P move, which I believe always works).
EDIT:
In the combo at about 28secs.
Pretty much all normals become cancellable while in HD mode, even if they weren't before. They still remain normals though, the gauge is only depleted by cancelling one special move into another, supercancels etc.
That's s.C > f+B, isn't it? d/f+d would be the 2-hit sweep.
gundamkyoukai
Member
hhhmm Ex Iori takes way to long to recover from his fireball compare to the old days .
kind mess up my gameplan with him .
kind mess up my gameplan with him .
Hrm, nope. He is doing the 2 hit sweep.
To be more specific, he's doing: cr.B, cr.A, df.D(2 hits), B+C, cl.C, df.D(2 hits), *stuff*.
EDIT: Oh. Maybe I got you confused. I mean the combo that starts at about 28secs.
I see. I thought he was linking specials from the sweep.
Holy Order Sol
Member
The setup I mentioned above can work with jump CD but I'd save that for use against characters with slower reversals. Turns out you CAN block a blowback attack if you timed the jump C perfectly, too.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Nope i using pad .
sixteen-bit
Member
I'm using a stick.
Have you been having problems DCing rekkas (assuming you play those characters) into EX versions of those moves, if that character also has a DP move?
That's what I'm getting all the time with Kensou...