Augemitbutter
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yea, 100 wins and 20 losses seems unrealistic. you can filter those guys out fortunately. or just play player matches, i rarely see people disconnecting there.
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I wouldn't call that trial mode a fair test of execution. It's harder then any other trial mode out there. Also, combos like that are less needed in KOF then they are in other games, you can do well with basic fundamentals.
Terareflection
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Just keep in mind that the trials are not representative of what combos you'll be doing in an actual match.
Augemitbutter
Member
enjoy! i'm cleaning up the rest which are doable for me currently for the trophy. this stuff isn't easy...
Terareflection
Member
Played some more, still on college wireless.
The first couple(playing the same guy) of matches fluctuated between 4 and 3 bars and it was pretty bad, input lag, slowdowns, underwater.
The next couple were a lot better with another player (3 bars), however, I couldn't hit Liz's BnB or punish blocked supers.
The last few were the best, another 3 bar, another player, I could punish blocked supers now. Didn't really have a chance to test Liz's combo.
The first couple(playing the same guy) of matches fluctuated between 4 and 3 bars and it was pretty bad, input lag, slowdowns, underwater.
The next couple were a lot better with another player (3 bars), however, I couldn't hit Liz's BnB or punish blocked supers.
The last few were the best, another 3 bar, another player, I could punish blocked supers now. Didn't really have a chance to test Liz's combo.
Tried it a little today in the morning before going to work (when family was still asleep, so no one else was using the net) and ended up playing a guy with 4 bars right of the bat.
It was pretty much flawless, felt like offline.
As long as you're on wireless you'll have a pretty frustrating experience.
It was pretty much flawless, felt like offline.
As long as you're on wireless you'll have a pretty frustrating experience.
Terareflection
Member
I am aware of that, I don't really have a choice though.
Terareflection
Member
Apparently the 360 patch is out for NA.
I know I've already asked this probably a dozen times already, but now having the game and being able to make the comparison, what makes Hwa 'better' than joe? So far the only thing (granted with limited hands on experience) that i can see is that Hwa can net more damage with less work (and the drinking thing). Is the frame data on their moves actually different?
Well... for starters they have different specials.
Same with the DMs. (Hwa has a grab DM for instance)
SNKP sharing some tech
Ive only gotten the chance to do doe Joe's missions so far (hence me not knowing squat about Hwa). I haven't even touched Hwa. I guess that would be a good thing to do when i get out of work today.
*edit* good video, I was a little unclear exactly how HD cancels worked. Thanks.
I mean the difference is even bigger than Ryu and Ken!!! XD
Blondes always have more fun.
Terareflection
Member
Seems impressions are more mixed(mostly negative) on the 360 side of things.
Tizoc
Member
^Wha?! 360 should have it better than PS3, it can't really be that bad?
I dunno about Joe, but Hwa has some really damaging combos, especially in the corner. Outside of the corner he has combos that can take off 50% health with an easy combo.
IMHO, despite having similar moves there is a difference in playing the characters in SF3: 3S...and maybe SF Zero 2...and Zero 3...and prob. SF4 (series)?
I dunno about Joe, but Hwa has some really damaging combos, especially in the corner. Outside of the corner he has combos that can take off 50% health with an easy combo.
IMHO, despite having similar moves there is a difference in playing the characters in SF3: 3S...and maybe SF Zero 2...and Zero 3...and prob. SF4 (series)?
Thats what im saying. Ryu and Ken are really different and Joe and Hwa even more so.
Terareflection
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It wouldn't hurt to try it yourself.
I think you would actually get a better answer on Dream Cancel.
Tizoc
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You mean Hwa combos, or trying out Joe? Cuz I did play as Joe and he isn't a character that fits my style ^_^;
Ill just play some hwa when i get home today. I just thought id ask in case someone knew the specifics.
Phoenixazure
Member
Played with new patch and found a 4 bar! Overall very solid after a bit of adjusting. Some slight hiccups but overall consistent enough for me. Online is good to learn matchup experience at least and that's what I was looking for
sonicspear64
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Well Joe and Hwa have a lot of differences. First, let's take a look at the normals. Hwa and Joe share most of them, but some of them have different properties.
The differences are more apparent with the specials and DMs.
- Joe's c.D/st.D is a knee and Hwa's c.D is the exact same knee, but his st. D is a different kick that's a great poke.
- Joe and Hwa have slides (df+B), but Joe's causes a soft knockdown and Hwa's leaves the opponent standing and is special cancelable.
- St.CD for both of them used to be the same in arcade version iirc, but now Hwa's moves him forward in the console version.
The differences are more apparent with the specials and DMs.
- Joe's Bakuretsuken is done by mashing P and the finish uppercut is qcb+P. Hwa's is qcf+P and his finish is qcf+P. Both can juggle with it in the corner, but I think Joe can only combo off the finish part. Hwa can't combo off the finish unless it's EX (you can still do qcf+P without the finish in a combo and combo into something else.)
- Hwa's dp+K is more suited for anti-air than Joe's. Hwa's dp+B goes upwards and forwards like Adon's Rising Jaguar, has startup invul., and has good horizontal range while dp+D moves him forward like Sagat's Tiger Knee. Joe's dp+K more or less just moves him forward in an arc (not entirely true I know).
Tizoc
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Try out these combos with Hwa-
Jumping C-->Cr. C-->DF+B-->F, D, DF+HKxxQCB+LK-->QCFx2+K
Cancel his Dragon Kick into his heel kick, this'll juggle the opponent.
I wrote down some Hwa combos a week after the game was out, but am too lazy to search for them...will post them later though ;3
crimzonflame
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I used to do 720's really fast before I got the hang of HCB x 2.
Augemitbutter
Member
360 patch is out now? any impressions?
I tried Hwa out for a bit and yea there's some interesting differences. joe definitely has an advantage on the ground imo. Hwa's far standing D is good as a poke but its the same as joe's command forward B which is considerably more useful. Hwa's knees are better but joe's work better in combos cause they dont need to be drive canceled for juggles afterwards (in the corner at least) . Hwa is better in the air and his HCB kick is faster than joe's but feels like the hitbox or the active frames arent as good as joes (but both seem kinda shitty and can be jabbed on reaction). Both have pretty good combos, but joe just feels like a more complete character to me.
I aint gonna lie, them combos were fun.
It gets nastier if you drink with him, that drink move is so underrated.
Phoenixazure
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Just got back from localbattles. Went 1-2 including getting bodied by chris g who sent me to loosers. I got sloppier than even my standard sloppy stuff, but it was great to vs some people in person. Also, fuck King. Everyone enjoyed themselves though. Maybe next time ill get on streamed ( they initially didn't have the dlc characters)
Tips to deal with king? I would counter her projectiles but I have to rethink getting in and getting out of her frame traps.
Tips to deal with king? I would counter her projectiles but I have to rethink getting in and getting out of her frame traps.
I watched some stuff on youtube. Pretty nasty. I might just work on Hwa for a second team.
Augemitbutter
Member
sounds like the game tries to connect to players that have set requirements, which you don't meet. high delay, or high disconnect rate?
You gotta approach on the ground when she goes aerial. The air fireballs aren't that nasty though. She does crap damage in general, especially mid-screen. I don't think she's a top tier character personally, I only use her when I need to lame someone out.
Fright Zone
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The trophies that require you to perform a specific number of moves/finishers (such as 100 EX moves), do moves performed in onlines battles count towards your total?
Triple Da G.O.D!
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They do.
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Resolution
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