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The King Of Fighters XIII + Steam Edition |OT| Now on Steam with Improved Netcode!
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GrayFoxPL said:
I'd pay money to not have to unlock shit in games.
Criminal Upper said:Why are people complaining about unlocking single player stuff?
It's not like there's gonna be anything else to do in the game.
It's time not spent playing a fighting game like God intended us to play it- finding a human opponent and playing them.
sixteen-bit
Member
My dude.haunts said:
SAB CA said:
Channel surf to configure a TV?
Buh?
And I agree that unlocking shit is bullshit. I bought the game ... give me everything I paid for; don't make me jump through hoops.
Just put an option in there for unlocks. Don't use it if you prefer unlocking shit. Done and done.
shidoshi said:
I tend to side with the creators here, provided their demands are reasonable. But the situation is getting prickly, so I won't go any further with that portion, lol.
I think a lot of that was also unlockable by playing multiplayer in IV's case, but maybe I've forgotten. I remember it all eventually became purchaseable by the end...
They did lock away a bit more than needed, but I really don't mind that for a first iteration release. It was fun to have those "DUDE, did you unlock Akuma yet?!?!" Convos again, was like playing PS1-era fighters all over again.
At least sample it, as is being done here. I agree, having to beat every path of every mode with every character or something to get a character is pushing it. But saying "Hey, try out my story mode, there's content here unused in any other mode, that we made, that we want you to see first! Try it out for 15 minutes, and we'll give you a character unlock!" seems pretty fair to me.
Fersis said:
It's just... part of fighting games, to me, as I'm sure it is to many of them. As familiar as a qcf motion, lol. I'm glad it hasn't entirely disappeared, in this age of A.D.D gaming and DLC.
OSHAN said:
It was called such on my TV, lol. The configuration that finds all available channels for your TV connection. On both TV's I've used recently, out of box, it required that automatic configuration, before it even let me watch TV, or game...
I remember once talking with a person who thought their TV only had like 10 channels, because the previous owner only had those saved to memory, lol. "Man, this TV sucks!" I really had to wonder about that for a while... at least I understand WHY they force such things, after that, haha.
shidoshi said:
It was possible to get the 30 acheivements needed to unlock all the costumes, without playing SP. That said, I do agree with you entirely that we should decide how we want to play the game, there shouldn't be just one path to get things, and the paths should be equivalent in effort.
I hate unlocks as a general rule, and I would pay a small sum to not unlock in a game I like.
Skilletor said:
Agreed. It's always been ridiculous to me that a genre made with multiplayer in mind forces the player to spend time in single player modes simply to unlock content that should be available for use in the first place.
The worst used to be Tekken, where you could have half the cast (or more) all locked. Yes, it was easy to unlock everyone, but it was such a waste of time.
Back when I worked at a mom n' pop game shop years ago, we'd usually have a memory card on hand with everything unlocked for the customers who'd buy fighting games.
GrayFoxPL said:
It has nothing to do with being lazy; it has everything to do with giving me content I paid for up front.
I'm not asking for all the endings to be available at the start, though frankly I wouldn't give a shit if they were, but I am asking for characters, colors, and costumes to be available.
I never even played as Gil in my copy of 3rd Strike for Dreamcast.
EDIT: MK is the most recent example of nonsense. I don't know how many hours I've sunk into multiplayer, but certainly enough to unlock everything in the krypt, but no coins are rewarded. What up with that?
Slamtastic
Member
It's not nonsense because the single player portion is good enough to warrant playing.OSHAN said:
GrayFoxPL said:
It's not "these days." The content-unlocking debate has been going-on since the 32-bit era introduced it in fighting games.
It's tedious to have to sit there and spend an hour or two beating up the stupid CPU just to complete the character roster, especially when all players may want to do is jump right into multi either offline or online.
patrickthehedgehog
Member
Well, all this aside, the reality is that the two locked characters are easy to unlock!
Triple Da G.O.D!
Member
If you missed the LevelUp stream they uploaded it to Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLJ2nlScPBU&feature=channel_video_title
And I'm sorry I missed MI Appreciation Time. I gladly would've spammed the forum with pics of Mignon. Somebody let me know next time it goes down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLJ2nlScPBU&feature=channel_video_title
And I'm sorry I missed MI Appreciation Time. I gladly would've spammed the forum with pics of Mignon. Somebody let me know next time it goes down.
OSHAN said:
Play Story and Arcade mode on Harder difficulty settings
I got more than enough Koins to get everything in the Krypt and I never completed everybody's campaign on Arcade. But I love unlocking things, anything that rewards you for completing something is a plus in my book.EDIT: But keep everything available in vs mode though please
Slamtastic
Member
Oh, then yeah, they should let you get koins in online multi.OSHAN said:
GhaleonQ
Member
4 questions for the anti-unlocking people from someone who loves it and even tolerates the bad stuff (Check out my 100 percent Virtua Fighter 5 file, please! Because it was a waste of time!).
Do you still dislike extensive single-player modes if the a.i. is such that it forces you to be creative, fight differently, and experiment with new characters and styles?
Do you only dislike single-player unlocking when you're familiar with the gameplay? If this was The King Of Fighters 1 instead of 13 and if you hadn't played previous S.N.K. titles, would you appreciate it as an extended training mode?
Doesn't a game like The King Of Fighters, which is based around set teams and a bit of a plot, lead you to think of it as more than just "versus edit teams" bashing each other?
Would/Have you disliked an extensive single-player mode that had a good story?
Do you still dislike extensive single-player modes if the a.i. is such that it forces you to be creative, fight differently, and experiment with new characters and styles?
Do you only dislike single-player unlocking when you're familiar with the gameplay? If this was The King Of Fighters 1 instead of 13 and if you hadn't played previous S.N.K. titles, would you appreciate it as an extended training mode?
Doesn't a game like The King Of Fighters, which is based around set teams and a bit of a plot, lead you to think of it as more than just "versus edit teams" bashing each other?
Would/Have you disliked an extensive single-player mode that had a good story?
EEEEWWWluka said:What is most of GAF going to be getting this for? I could go it for either machine.
>_>
MI alternate costumes were nuts. Thats Final Fantasy tier for sure...
* Gets Kagari'ed ' *
Sorry for the double post.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Skilletor said:
Ether
GhaleonQ said:
a) I wish AI's would do that. It's impossible for a console AI to be that advanced. Even the VF AI's could be exploited.
b) No. The best training mode is the VF4Evo tutorial.
c) No. Save that stuff for the braindead forum trolls you get on some sites.
d) I wouldn't dislike it, but I don't want to be forced to play it.
@GhaleonQ
I have no problem with such things, provided that a) they're OPTIONAL and b) none of the content relating to what should be ready for Vs. out of the box is sectioned off so that I MUST play it in order to get it.
For example, I loved VF4's Kumite mode. It wasn't only fun, it was a nice way of teaching me how to play the game even better. But it was optional, and I didn't need to play it in order to access anything relating to character unlocks or whatever.
Even the likes of Guilty usually had Visual Novel-like story modes that you can play through if you so wished. But at least per GG:AC+, nothing relating to the core experience was sectioned off in that case, either. It was just there to be enjoyed by those who wanted it. Which is the way it should be.
I have no problem with such things, provided that a) they're OPTIONAL and b) none of the content relating to what should be ready for Vs. out of the box is sectioned off so that I MUST play it in order to get it.
For example, I loved VF4's Kumite mode. It wasn't only fun, it was a nice way of teaching me how to play the game even better. But it was optional, and I didn't need to play it in order to access anything relating to character unlocks or whatever.
Even the likes of Guilty usually had Visual Novel-like story modes that you can play through if you so wished. But at least per GG:AC+, nothing relating to the core experience was sectioned off in that case, either. It was just there to be enjoyed by those who wanted it. Which is the way it should be.
sixteen-bit
Member
Yep. Well said.TreIII said:
My two cents:
Im cool with unlockables that are not part of the 'competitive' experience.
I dont want to grind for 10 hours in a weird game mode to get an extra bear to play with it (Hi Tekken)
Now.. unlocking stuff like stages and artwork? OH YES PLEASE!
Oh and for those angry at the unlockables Billy and Saiki: LOL GEMS!
Im cool with unlockables that are not part of the 'competitive' experience.
I dont want to grind for 10 hours in a weird game mode to get an extra bear to play with it (Hi Tekken)
Now.. unlocking stuff like stages and artwork? OH YES PLEASE!
Oh and for those angry at the unlockables Billy and Saiki: LOL GEMS!
GhaleonQ said:
1. Never played an AI that did that in a fighting game. I don't think it's possible. I'd love to be proven wrong.
2. No. I don't want to unlock a character ever. If it's a brand new game, I want to go into training mode and mess around with every character until I find one I like.
3. I couldn't care less about stories in videogames. That goes triply true for a fighting game. My ideal story for a fighting game would be: You think you're the strongest. These guys don't. Prove them wrong.
4. See above.
Slamtastic
Member
1. Good AI would be good to have.GhaleonQ said:
2. I'd prefer a separate tutorial mode for that.
3. No, KoF still has as bad/as much of a lack of a story as any other fighting game.
4. Liked.
The story mode helped me get my full money's worth of MK9, even when first PSN was down, then the netcode was ass. Whereas if this game doesn't deliver on online, I'll feel like I wasted money. If MvC3 vanilla had a coherent story mode with voiced cutscenes and predefined characters at certain parts based on the story, I would have felt a lot less like I got ripped off, and would have added whatever the length of that mode was to my 20-ish hours of play before dropping the game. (Without getting into the fact that the core gameplay design makes me enjoy playing MK9 more in story or training mode moreso than any of the other fighting titles this gen that I can play against humans because the online is comparatively less busted. There's some cruel irony in that regard.)
Someone earlier said that winning is fun. I agree. And winning against the CPU can be fun too, if you have motivation through well done story content. And its easier to do to boot!
SAB CA said:
But I don't want to play single player. I mean, there's no other way to say it, and I should have that choice. When I bought Grand Theft Auto IV, I played maybe 1/4th of the campaign. All of my time was spent with online, and that's all I cared about. If that's what I buy a game for, I shouldn't be punished. I don't have hour and hours to put into these games, and when I do have time, I want to be spending that time actually playing and enjoying the game. If I was still a child, maybe I'd enjoy games forcing me to put in so much effort just to get to the point where I'll have fun, but I'm not. If a game is going to waste my time like that, I'll just move on to something else.
Games should literally have the option to unlock everything instantly, or as you play. That way, people who like unlocks can still have that challenge, while people like me who don't don't have to deal with that.
shidoshi said:
Well too bad, neener neener!
Seriously though, I understand the issue, I just don't 100% agree. I do strongly agree, however, in multiple unlock methods though, as mentioned. It gets silly when you spent just as many hours in multiplayer, as the single player campaign, and don't have access to the gameplay elements. You might not see everything first-hand, but you've been among and with the work long enough to truly appreciate the creative vision and intent by that point, so lets toss those unlocks your way as thanks!
KoF XIII is apparently going to have downloadable unlocks for everything when it's released, so... while I liked codes back in the day (and still think they have their place!), I think it's nice, to some degree, that they offer this option. Time is money, so money can save time! Or something paradoxical like that!
An "unlock everything" button at the start of a game, or in the options menu, would probably totally destroy modern gaming as we know it, however! "Man, that's all the game has to offer? Pssh, saw it in the first hour!" Trade-ins would soar, and people would cave in to knee-jerk reactions really easily, without even giving the game a chance to grow it's way into your good graces. At least when you bummed a PS1 save off a local friend, the friend had gone through it, and could describe it to you! Now, if saves were not locked, people would just DL complete saves en masse, in anonimity, and end up with the same knee-jerk conclusions...
"See, this is why we can't have nice things!"; it's a bit annoying, but I find it helpful to remember that consumer products are made with the lowest-possible denominator considered, when being produced for business. This stuff would all work so much better if every customer was a well-read, thoughtful, considerate individual, or something equally ideal.
Anyway, I won't say anything more on it for now!
Points well taken, I think it was a nice convo overall. I just like to remind people, every once in a while, that unlocks are very appreciated, especially when done well, and not everyone feels negatively about them.Criminal Upper
Banned
shidoshi said:
Wait, so...you don't like single player at all?
Jesus.
Criminal Upper said:
I don't in fightin games. I literally have not played a single match vs. the CPU in SSF4. I had somebody else unlock characters for me in MvC3. I will not play single player in UMvC3.
I won't play single player in KoF13. I don't care about the characters you have to unlock. If they were characters I wanted to play, I wouldn't buy the game. Plain and simple.
Terareflection
Member
That's a little strange, it seems a little bit too weird for it to be a dropped input especially since it happens all the time. Try inputting things a little slower.MrBeggar said:
That's a little extreme, but to each his own.Skilletor said:
Criminal Upper
Banned
Skilletor said:
Yeah, but Shidoshi is talking massive single player games like GTA. GTA's multiplayer was medicore at best, so I find that strange.
People not playing single player portions of fighting games is common, and I can undertstand that. But you have to fight Billy like, once in the story mode.
I can't imagine that being altogether taxing.
patrickthehedgehog
Member
Just got off the phone with every mom and pop video game store in the area begging for a copy. No luck in the Seattle area.
The Take Out Bandit
Member
Wait, can we not set the game to short rounds / one match wins to unlock crap?
All this pissing and moaning, and Sea Manky and I unlocked all the crappy characters in SF4 when I rented it in one afternoon. Then we started playing.
Granted SF4 is the example of doing everything wrong, but locking stock characters? LAME! I could see for hidden / new characters; but returning cast need not be locked. Then again SF need not have polygons, input assist, Ultard moves, 1 frame links, etc. etc.
I'm just glad they're not making me pay $5 for Billy Kane.
All this pissing and moaning, and Sea Manky and I unlocked all the crappy characters in SF4 when I rented it in one afternoon. Then we started playing.
Granted SF4 is the example of doing everything wrong, but locking stock characters? LAME! I could see for hidden / new characters; but returning cast need not be locked. Then again SF need not have polygons, input assist, Ultard moves, 1 frame links, etc. etc.
I'm just glad they're not making me pay $5 for Billy Kane.
LOLZ GEMZThe Take Out Bandit said:
You know i really really like Capcom FG games but UMvC3 releasing less than a year after MvC3 and 'mashing buttons is a mechanic' and SFxT gems makes me sigh
But props to them for trying new stuff.