The Last 3D Mario was 8 YEARS Ago.

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It's crazy think we're approaching a decade, since the last 3D Mario Game.

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Super Mario Odyssey released in 2017.

Back in the mid-90s to 00's, we got countless Mario games.

It's evident the transition to HD has impacted Nintendo's output.

Similar to how Rockstar's output has been impacted with the transition to HD development.

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There was 6 years before 64 and Sunshine, so I don't really think it has anything to do with HD.
And the Mario team was working on that new Donkey Kong weren't they?
 
Sakura said:
There was 6 years before 64 and Sunshine, so I don't really think it has anything to do with HD.
And the Mario team was working on that new Donkey Kong weren't they?
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Sunshine to Galaxy 1 was 5 years, Galaxy 1 to Galaxy 2 was 3 years, and then Galaxy 2 to 3D Mario World was 3 years.

Nintendo was still releasing random spin-off Mario games, between those times though.
 
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Instant_Classic said:
Sunshine to Galaxy was 5 years, Galax 1 to Galaxy 2 was 3 years.

Nintendo was still releasing random spin-off Mario games, between those times though.
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Yeah so they've had like 5 3D Mario games in the last 30 years.
And they are still releasing Mario spin off games now as well.
Seems a bit weird to assume it is suddenly an HD issue.
They did 1 on the Switch and they will do 1 on the Switch 2.
 
Sakura said:
Yeah so they've had like 5 3D Mario games in the last 30 years.
And they are still releasing Mario spin off games now as well.
Seems a bit weird to assume it is suddenly an HD issue.
They did 1 on the Switch and they will do 1 on the Switch 2.
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The output of each 3D Mario game has been extending, with time.

This is the result of moving on to HD development, things must be bigger and look better which equates to longer development times.

Nintendo is now facing realities the industry has been tackling for over a decade now.

They were slow to transition for a reason, they knew things were going to change (more expensive to make and longer dev times).
 
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Matsuchezz said:
Enough already with Mario, Disney ditched Mickey at certain point and continued with the creation of new characters, when was the last time we watched a Mickey Mouse movie.
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Mario is literally a pillar of Nintendo.

There's a reason why they launched Switch 2 with a new Mario Kart.

A decade since the previous Mario Kart too, furthering my point in the OP :p

Without that, they would be in trouble.
 
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Instant_Classic said:
Mario is literally a pillar of Nintendo.

There's a reason why they launched Switch 2 with a new Mario Kart.

A decade since the previous Mario Kart too, furthering my point in the OP :p

Without that, they would be in trouble.
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So it was mickey, but generations change, new generations are growing up without a Mario Game, MK is different, the gameplay is so different from mainline games. That is why we are getting Bananza instead of Mario, which i think is created by the same team that works on the Mario games. But again DK is an old ass character, new cartoons are all crazy looking and weird. DK only appeals to old ass people like me, well not me actually I'm 46 and I have no intention to buy that game.
 
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They release one 3D Mario per console, the game being designed around it (like it's no surprise Sunshine is in Isle Delfino), and the Switch had a long cycle, longer than the other ones. So no surprise here.

I would've expect a DLC or a sequel to Odyssey during the Switch's lifetime though, it had room for more content
 
Connificent said:
How is Disney doing now lol
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Yea, I know, but they embraced woke culture and that's what has hurt them recently, but they had a great run before that, and after they moved away from Mickey mouse, they started to buy a lot of studios and creating all sorts of shit. But there are similarities here.
 
Development cycles are getting longer, yes, but, with the exception of the Wii, 3D Mario has been a once per generation affair for Nintendo. The Switch actually got more 3D Mario than usual if you count Bowser's Fury, though obviously that's not the same as a full new title.

Nintendo has also released a huge number of Mario spin-off games during the Switch era, so I have no idea why you mentioned that at all.

Matsuchezz said:
Enough already with Mario, Disney ditched Mickey at certain point and continued with the creation of new characters, when was the last time we watched a Mickey Mouse movie.
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When was the first time you watched a Mickey Mouse movie? Mickey has always been a character Disney uses for shorts, television, and merchandise, not films. I actually can't think of any films staring Mickey off the top of my head.
 
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blacktout said:
Development cycles are getting longer, yes, but, with the exception of the Wii, 3D Mario has been a once per generation affair for Nintendo. The Switch actually got more 3D Mario than usual if you count Bowser's Fury, though obviously that's not the same as a full new title.

Nintendo has also released a huge number of Mario spin-off games during the Switch era, so I have no idea why you mentioned that at all.



When was the first time you watched a Mickey Mouse movie? Mickey has always been a character Disney used for shorts, television, and merchandising, not films. I actually can't think of any films staring Mickey off the top of my head.
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Bowser Fury was a port of the Wii U Mario 3D World.
 
Bowsers Fury is a game y'all. There's plenty of Mario games. Nintendo doesn't want to overexpose him some people are already sick of him. I love him tho.
 
Hudo said:
Still a very good game, as long as we don't have the next 3D Mario. And well, there is also Donkey Kong Bananza coming out, which was developed by the Odyssey team (or a part of it).
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Donkey Kong Bananza may very well push the next 3D Mario till 2028 - 30.

A potential near 15 year gap, is insane.
 
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Instant_Classic said:
Bowser Fury was a port of the Wii U Mario 3D World.
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If you are thinking like that then MKW is the first new Mario Kart in 11 years.
They also had the All Stars Mario game for Switch. Its not the development time that is extending releases but that they could fill out the schedule with ports especially for the Switch following from the WiiU.
 
Good, it has got me very much excited for the next 3D Mario in the way I can truly appreciate and take my time wanting to finish everything than I would if it was diluted.
 
poppabk said:
If you are thinking like that then MKW is the first new Mario Kart in 11 years.
They also had the All Stars Mario game for Switch. Its not the development time that is extending releases but that they could fill out the schedule with ports especially for the Switch following from the WiiU.
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MKW is the first new Mario Kart in 11 years.

I had MK8 on the Wii U, and MK8 Deluxe on the Switch.

It's essentially the same game.

Obviously the Switch version received more maps with the season pass though.
 
Instant_Classic said:
MKW is the first new Mario Kart in 11 years.

I had MK8 on the Wii U, and MK8 Deluxe on the Switch.

It's essentially the same game.

Obviously the Switch version received more maps with the season pass though.
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But you really think it was because it took them 11 years of development time for MKW?
 
Instant_Classic said:
Donkey Kong Bananza may very well push the next 3D Mario till 2028 - 30.

A potential near 15 year gap, is insane.
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And this is very unfortunate. Personally I have no desire to play the new DK bawd on what they have shown.

But I would love a proper new Mario game in the vein of Odyssey and so would my kids. 😢
 
Instant_Classic said:
There is zero chance a 3D Mario is out by 2027.

Bananza is a full effort by the studio, development of the next 3D Mario game starts after.
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3D Mario has been in development. There's just no way they wait over 2 years after console release to release new Mario. It's literally never been more than a year.
  • Nintendo 64 (N64) and Super Mario 64: Same day (launch title)
  • GameCube and Super Mario Sunshine: Approximately 10 months later
  • Wii and Super Mario Galaxy: Approximately 11 months later
  • Wii U and Super Mario 3D World: Approximately 11 months later
  • Switch and Super Mario Odyssey: Approximately 8 months later
You said "It's evident the transition to HD has impacted Nintendo's output." Implying that they've been working on new Mario this whole time. Which is it? Full effort for Bananza or are they also working on a new 3D mario at the same time? Pretty sure they have a ton of games in pipeline.
 
Instant_Classic said:
Similar to how Rockstar's output has been impacted with the transition to HD development.
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I suspect their output has been significantly impacted by being able to monetise games for a decade after release too, to be fair.

If that wasn't the case, I'd bet they'd have been much more prolific, HD or not.
 
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Mr Reasonable said:
I suspect their output has been significantly impacted by being able to monetise games for a decade after release too, to be fair.

If that wasn't the case, I'd bet they'd have been much more prolific, HD or not.
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Good point. HD for Rockstar started in 2008 and slowed making content after GTAV came out. Gee, wonder why? /s
 
Yeah its really depressing. Odyssey was dissapointing for me at the time I thought a sequel similar to Galaxy 2 leaning into its strengths could have made the best 3d mario but it sadly never came.

Bowsers fury took me by surpise with its new dynamic, expanding, gameplay style is incredible even if it was short and the rando bowser mechanic needed work (cat mario has to go too). My ultimate hope is that next year we get a full version of what Bowsers Fury teases in a truly open world 3d mario game that expands and changes as you go to and from it.

Imagine the open world as the hub but you find towns with npcs you can talk to that has smaller galaxy esk levels you get to though paintings or enterances like sunshine and each of the hidden smaller levels in these towns fit tue theme of the area and npcs could give you hints on secret stars and how to find the level enterances, god it could be so incredible.

I was really hoping it would come out this year because the wait has been so long but with dk theres just no shot but it MUST come out next year, the wait has been WAY too long...
 
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MSduderino said:
3D Mario has been in development. There's just no way they wait over 2 years after console release to release new Mario. It's literally never been more than a year.
  • Nintendo 64 (N64) and Super Mario 64: Same day (launch title)
  • GameCube and Super Mario Sunshine: Approximately 10 months later
  • Wii and Super Mario Galaxy: Approximately 11 months later
  • Wii U and Super Mario 3D World: Approximately 11 months later
  • Switch and Super Mario Odyssey: Approximately 8 months later
You said "It's evident the transition to HD has impacted Nintendo's output." Implying that they've been working on new Mario this whole time. Which is it? Full effort for Bananza or are they also working on a new 3D mario at the same time? Pretty sure they have a ton of games in pipeline.
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There will be a pattern break as DK Banaza is essentially that early gen 3D Mario. Same team, same style, just different mascot.

The gap from Odyssey to Bananza is historically 2 years longer than the norm, but that is likely due to the longer generation.

I doubt we will see a true 3D Mario in the next few years.
 
From distance you'd think that Nintendo milk these games too much but just think of it this way, since the last 3D Mario there has been 8 Call of Duties, 5 Assasin's Creeds, 2 God of Wars and 2 Horizon games, and I am pretty sure Nintendo could have made 2 more games and sold +20 million on each.
 
I think gamers as a whole don't care about 3D Marios as much anymore.

They want Zelda and Metroid.
 
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Chittagong said:
There will be a pattern break as DK Banaza is essentially that early gen 3D Mario. Same team, same style, just different mascot.
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Same team, but nintendo has a lot of teams that help interchangably with each other. The BOTW/TOTK team helped with the open world in MKW for example.
Chittagong said:
I doubt we will see a true 3D Mario in the next few years.
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Why? We always do get one soon after? Nintendo hasn't disclosed how it allocates it teams. 3D Mario is most certainly being worked on.
 
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