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The Last of Us |OT| It Can’t Be For Nothing (Spoilers)

spannicus

Member
If you just gave away the ending, I'm going to strangle you in your sleep.
Lol
Nah, I think he's just commenting on how Naughty Dog said this is more of a self contained story.

Don't worry about it.



Theoretically yes, that's the way it should work, although people have reported that the trophies aren't unlocking properly. For what its worth I unlocked the "Easy" trophy when I beat it on Normal.

Correct. If more are made which there will be, ND said they will tell the story of others.
 

Data West

coaches in the WNBA
I think, from now on, all escorts should come equipped with, MINOREST OF SPOILERS
a joke book.

Ellie is so much better than Elizabeth I don't even know what Irrational was thinking after this.
 

Hawkian

The Cryptarch's Bane
For the people complaining about framerate and IQ, how close are you sitting from the TV?...

If you sit back on the couch (the way console gaming was intended), these things are way less noticeable.

If you sit 1 foot away from your computer monitor, of course it's extremely obvious.
I'm playing on a 103'' projector screen from 10 feet. Resolution and jaggies are certainly noticeable but it barely matters, the art assets and lighting are exquisite. Of course I would love to be able to play it on my PC but it's a great-looking game.

Framerate issues have barely even crossed my mind. As someone who suffered through Blighttown on PS3 where the gameplay was far more dependent on being able to control every moment and the framerate dips way worse, this feels like a triumph. Yes, everyone is universally in agreement that a stable 60fps would be an improvement, but I'd have to stretch to say it was really impacting my enjoyment of the game to a substantial degree, or even at the forefront of my mind at any point during the experience.

Generally the largest praise I can offer about the game is this: of course the rough-around-the-edges IQ, framerate hiccups, and AI issues are flaws. You'd have to be some kind of mental contortionist to tell yourself they're not flaws. Sure, sometimes Ellie runs past a clicker in a way that it should hear her. Sure, textures on faraway objects can get muted. Sure, comment about how the framerate should hold up better when there's a lot of effects on screen.

I don't care. The vast majority of the time the gameplay is tense, immersive, satisfying, and pitch-perfect. The vast majority of the time, the game looks spectacular. And the entirety of the time, the whole is so much greater than the sum of its part that I can't muster up the energy to let the blemishes affect my enjoyment of the overall experience. It's too good.
 

Fantasmo

Member
Of course it's NDs "fault", they are the ones who made that game. Technically, I see nothing in this game that I didn't see in other games, but done better. Maybe the indirect lighting in some scenes has the chance of a pole position. Everything else? I've seen it better with a much, much better image quality at a higher resolution. This game maybe is a technical marvel on PS3, but not in general. That really is the problem here. When I want to set a benchmark in graphics, I don't choose a fucking weak system to do so. When I'm making a game I need to consider the machine the game is going to run on.

Also I didn't die once because of the framerate. But I had less fun throughoutt the whole game becuase of it. :)

What game has better detail between foliage and buildings? What game has better texture variation? What game looks like it's actually a pretty good representation of a world we live in? Nevermind the buildings, foliage, and sky, just look at the ground and tell me any other game looks anything but a repeating ground in comparison. Not even racing games have that much road variation and half those games are roads LOL. You can throw PC on the list too. I'm all ears.
 
Is my PS3 dying or does this game have a terrible initial load time?

When I push "continue game" at the start screen, it begins loading with the gold dust on the screen. That goes on for like a full minute. I can hear my PS3 drive cranking.

After awhile it says "Loading" and shows a percentage. The percentage goes like this:

50%
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60%
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75%
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91%
92.3%
94%
95%
96%
97%
97.1%
97.2%
97.3%
97.32%
97.33%
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And the last 5% goes like that, very slowly. It takes forever. That can't be the game, right?

It does eventually load and then plays fine.

My PS3 is only two years old and I don't even use it a ton.
 
Sorry if this has been posted but I got the pre order DLC from GameStop (sights and sounds pack or w.e. it's called) and in the description is says a "dynamic theme" - however upon downloading said theme - it's just a static theme. Any one else catch this?
 

Lord Error

Insane For Sony
I'm becoming paranoid. Every thread I see that deals with the endings of the games in general, I now think was prompted by the ending of TLOU.

Also, man, this game is oppressive. Every time I'm done playing it, I can't stop thinking about death and decay.
 

Mik_Pad

Banned
Sorry if this has been posted but I got the pre order DLC from GameStop (sights and sounds pack or w.e. it's called) and in the description is says a "dynamic theme" - however upon downloading said theme - it's just a static theme. Any one else catch this?
It's not static lol, but the dynamic effect are nearly non existing.
 
Is my PS3 dying or does this game have a terrible initial load time?

When I push "continue game" at the start screen, it begins loading with the gold dust on the screen. That goes on for like a full minute. I can hear my PS3 drive cranking.

After awhile it says "Loading" and shows a percentage. The percentage goes

And the last 5% goes like that, very slowly. It takes forever. That can't be the game, right?

It does eventually load and then plays fine.

My PS3 is only two years old and I don't even use it a ton.

Happens on my 2011 slim as well. It seems to be normal.

I can't complain, there is virtually no load time afterwards.
 
Is my PS3 dying or does this game have a terrible initial load time?

When I push "continue game" at the start screen, it begins loading with the gold dust on the screen. That goes on for like a full minute. I can hear my PS3 drive cranking.

After awhile it says "Loading" and shows a percentage. The percentage goes like this:

50%
.
.
60%
.
.
75%
.
.
91%
92.3%
94%
95%
96%
97%
97.1%
97.2%
97.3%
97.32%
97.33%
.
.
.

And the last 5% goes like that, very slowly. It takes forever. That can't be the game, right?

It does eventually load and then plays fine.

My PS3 is only two years old and I don't even use it a ton.

2 month old slim, my download percent goes backwards sometimes lol
 

Gold_Loot

Member
Is my PS3 dying or does this game have a terrible initial load time?

When I push "continue game" at the start screen, it begins loading with the gold dust on the screen. That goes on for like a full minute. I can hear my PS3 drive cranking.

After awhile it says "Loading" and shows a percentage. The percentage goes like this:

50%
.
.
60%
.
.
75%
.
.
91%
92.3%
94%
95%
96%
97%
97.1%
97.2%
97.3%
97.32%
97.33%
.
.
.

And the last 5% goes like that, very slowly. It takes forever. That can't be the game, right?

It does eventually load and then plays fine.

My PS3 is only two years old and I don't even use it a ton.

Nah, mine does the same thing. They really know how to dangle that carrot.
 

Sickbean

Member
Is my PS3 dying or does this game have a terrible initial load time?

When I push "continue game" at the start screen, it begins loading with the gold dust on the screen. That goes on for like a full minute. I can hear my PS3 drive cranking.

After awhile it says "Loading" and shows a percentage. The percentage goes like this:

50%
.
.
60%
.
.
75%
.
.
91%
92.3%
94%
95%
96%
97%
97.1%
97.2%
97.3%
97.32%
97.33%
.
.
.

And the last 5% goes like that, very slowly. It takes forever. That can't be the game, right?

It does eventually load and then plays fine.

My PS3 is only two years old and I don't even use it a ton.

I've got a super slim with a Corsair SSD in it - I get the same thing.
 

Joeki11a

Banned
Happens on my 2011 slim as well. It seems to be normal.

I can't complain, there is virtually no load time afterwards.

IMO it is a horrible decision to show loading percentage, they should of left the window backdrop with the great music and show nothing else. Who at ND thought it was a good idea to torture people with loading percentages on screen?, what were they thinking?.
 

Gen X

Trust no one. Eat steaks.
Still on my first playthrough on Hard, all tips and highlights off, Listen Mode disabled. Gained another 10% progress putting me at 66% after 17hrs 8mins. I reckon I'll be damn close to 30hrs to complete it at this rate.

Two scenes got me teary eyed tonite (end of summer and a chat with Ellie a little later), this game is amazing.
 

Manu

Member
IMO it is a horrible decision to show loading percentage, they should of left the window backdrop with the great music and show nothing else.

My game only showed the percentage first time I loaded the game. Since then it's been only the backdrop and the music.
 
Welp...I’m done for the night - just got to Winter. I really don’t want this to end! : (

The sense of progression really makes you feel like you’ve been on a long journey.
 

Vire

Member
IMO it is a horrible decision to show loading percentage, they should of left the window backdrop with the great music and show nothing else. Who at ND thought it was a good idea to torture people with loading percentages on screen?, what were they thinking?.

And what, Drake's infinite spinning ring is much better?

I dunno, I almost find this preferable, at least it informs me that I know my PS3 didn't hang up or break.

Welp...I’m done for the night - just got to Winter. I really don’t want this to end! : (

The sense of progression really makes you feel like you’ve been on a long journey.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
 

Gen X

Trust no one. Eat steaks.
My game only showed the percentage first time I loaded the game. Since then it's been only the backdrop and the music.

Same. Each day I've booted the.game since Fri my loads have been shorter and shorter. Tonite it started at 98% and then in the game before it reached 100%. Yes the first two loads(Fri and Sat) were very long but they are well and truly gone now.

I'm wondering if each time you boot it stores more assets on the hdd.

I'm on the disc version btw.
 
So was LoU made by Team A?
Team B worked on UC3?

Any chance of LoU sequel and new IP for PS4? Double the Naughty Dog with the new and the old... could be great, if not exhausting.

I really want to imagine this on the PS4. It's funny how I was impressed with the animation in the Division, Infamous, and Watch Dogs, but even LoU MP has some swell animations.
 
IMO it is a horrible decision to show loading percentage, they should of left the window backdrop with the great music and show nothing else. Who at ND thought it was a good idea to torture people with loading percentages on screen?, what were they thinking?.

They were thinking that long load times with static or repeating backgrounds regularly make people think their system is frozen...
 

Auto_aim1

MeisaMcCaffrey
There is:

Less ammo
Less crafting materials
Clickers have much much better hearing
Runners are quicker to spot you
Enemies have the same amount of health
Joel seems to take more damage

In about 6 hours of gameplay I must have crafted about 5-6 items and that's with me searching everywhere.
Sweet. I'll give it a go this weekend, new sound system and all that.
 

Joeki11a

Banned
They are ways to present that better, go basic and put a loading bar. Their is no real reason for loading percentages to be displayed, nobody needs to see that.

Look at the posts above gamer wondering if his 2 year old console is having issues due to the percentages numbers showing up in a awkward manner.
 

BeeDog

Member
Just finished the game.

Wow.

Alongside Demon's/Dark Souls, my favorite game of the generation, utterly fantastic in every way.
 
It's not static lol, but the dynamic effect are nearly non existing.

Oh really? Lol ill have to pay closer attention next time I boot it up.

Thanks for the quick reply!


Edit: have had the game since launch and have yet to get a chance to play it!

Darn time consuming life responsibilities!
 
Couldn't have said it better myself.

It's handled really well isn't it? Characters constantly come and go, while you just keep on moving forward to your goal.

How they display the seasons also gets the job done. It feels like I've been watching a T.V series for a really long time...
 
That's nothing.

This is what concerns me more:

art1.jpg


I've long come to the conclusion that art is simply anything you want it to be.

wow...this picture is just embarrassing.
 
I can see why listen mode is a thing. I'm not using it but playing on hard and this game is brutal sometimes. I can never tell if i'm going to be seen going around a corner. Crazy still that they make it so forgiving with the audio cues and it is still hard.
 

Lord Error

Insane For Sony
That continue/loading screen with spores flying around takes about 10 seconds at most on downloaded version btw. I sometimes wish it was longer lasting, as I really like the effect used.
 

Zemm

Member
I'm still floored how good the combat feels and how they nailed the sound design.

The sound design is the best I've ever heard. Playing with headphones and I can hear a pin drop somewhere in the area and I'd be able to accurately tell you where. It makes "Listen mode" completely obsolete for me. So many great games don't quite get the sound mix right, but this one does.
 

Joeki11a

Banned
That continue/loading screen with spores flying around takes about 10 seconds at most on downloaded version btw. I sometimes wish it was longer lasting, as I really like the effect used.

Which makes me think ND should of just gave this a huge HDD install, they went with the Uncharted no HDD install tactic and it doesnt come off right.
 

Hawkian

The Cryptarch's Bane
I can see why listen mode is a thing. I'm not using it but playing on hard and this game is brutal sometimes. I can never tell if i'm going to be seen going around a corner. Crazy still that they make it so forgiving with the audio cues and it is still hard.
The game is indeed much harder and scarier, for the same reason, without listen mode. I can almost envision the first few testing sessions with certain encounters really getting to people without listen mode, leading to it being something you can employ on any difficulty. However, having it off really does feel like how the game was intended to be played. The various audio cues become so much more relevant, identifiable and critical to the experience, which is all the better because of the unparalleled sound design.

All the same I can completely see why it is an option, especially for those who aren't so much into the fear factor but still want to get the story.
 

leng jai

Member
I have never used it. I don't even recall the game acknowledging it's existence at the beginning. If it weren't for the internet I probably would have never knew it was even a thing.
 
I can see why listen mode is a thing. I'm not using it but playing on hard and this game is brutal sometimes. I can never tell if i'm going to be seen going around a corner. Crazy still that they make it so forgiving with the audio cues and it is still hard.

Yea the game even with Listen Mode is a bit tougher than most games out there, and stealth genre seems to be tough for the casual public to take. The game without listen mode or a cheating camera peak system would have been to difficult for the general public.
 

sense

Member
played a little bit and then went ahead and ordered the pulse elite edition headset and now i have to wait till thursday!! but i am sure it will be worth it.

anyways according to the banned website it is the biggest launch in 2013 with 1.3 million beating bioshock infinite which was 1.16 across both platforms. lets see when official numbers are out if they are close.
 
i kinda feel bad for people who've been spoilt by assholes.


the journey exaggerate the end; knowing the end beforehand would not bode well with some people.
 
I just tried sitting closer to the TV and yeah, the game looks a lot worse. I already know that's how it works so I always sit about 2.5 meters away from it but in the case of this game it does make a huge difference. I really recommend sitting farther away if you're too close.

anyways according to the banned website it is the biggest launch in 2013 with 1.3 million

Awesome, let's hope it has good legs.
 
I realize I'm about a page late to the whole "AI partner immersion breaking" discussion, but I think the largest problem isn't the AI itself, it's the sound design. If, when you were near undisturbed enemies, Bill's footsteps were super quiet even if he was running around, you could at least justify it as "Bill can step softly."

I feel like that would be a really simple change that would help a lot. Because the character's whispering back and forth wasn't a big deal, it was Bill and his giant clomping horse feet.
 
This game and a big screen plasma is simply beautiful. The dark sections are very impressive as long as you have the right screen. I don't want to imagine what playing on my old 22" Lcd would have been like.
 

Drek

Member
Yeah, pretty much. I can certainly appreciate what it does on that hardware, but that has no bearing on the fact that, yes, the framerate still is bad. The fact that they squeezed miracles out of old hardware does not somehow up my enjoyment of the game. There are no doubts in my mind the gameplay would be largely more fun with at least a steady 30.

I must have a magic PS3 because while the frame rate wasn't impressive I never had any significant or game breaking slowdown through 18 hours of game play.
 
Is my PS3 dying or does this game have a terrible initial load time?

When I push "continue game" at the start screen, it begins loading with the gold dust on the screen. That goes on for like a full minute. I can hear my PS3 drive cranking.

After awhile it says "Loading" and shows a percentage. The percentage goes like this:

50%
.
.
60%
.
.
75%
.
.
91%
92.3%
94%
95%
96%
97%
97.1%
97.2%
97.3%
97.32%
97.33%
.
.
.

And the last 5% goes like that, very slowly. It takes forever. That can't be the game, right?

It does eventually load and then plays fine.

My PS3 is only two years old and I don't even use it a ton.

I bought the game digitally. I didn't get the loading percentage. There's only the spore particles on screen, and it usually only lasts around 10 seconds at most.
 

Grinchy

Banned
edit- nvm

I thought it had put me back into a previous segment with a bunch of my stuff missing (from using it to complete the segment) but it didn't. It's so hard to explain what just went on there that it's not worth trying lol. Basically I put me really far back but the section was already complete and I could just stroll through and go back to where I should have been.
 
D

Deleted member 47027

Unconfirmed Member
I realize I'm about a page late to the whole "AI partner immersion breaking" discussion, but I think the largest problem isn't the AI itself, it's the sound design. If, when you were near undisturbed enemies, Bill's footsteps were super quiet even if he was running around, you could at least justify it as "Bill can step softly."

I feel like that would be a really simple change that would help a lot. Because the character's whispering back and forth wasn't a big deal, it was Bill and his giant clomping horse feet.

Yeah the elephant stampede scared the shit out of me for all the wrong reasons. "Something's coming! Oh it's just Bill stamping past a clicker."
 
Is it just me or does this game get easier the further in you go? I’m up to Winter now and I feel like I’ve got too much ammo.

Hell I can’t even carry some supplies I find because I’ve maxed out all my crafting items. I’m playing on normal by the way...
 

Inversive

Member
Is it just me or does this game get easier the further in you go? I’m up to Winter now and I feel like I’ve got too much ammo.

Hell I can’t even carry some supplies I find because I’ve maxed out all my crafting items. I’m playing on normal by the way...

There is your problem. I played on hard and scraped by alot of the game with barely anything. None of my weapons ever had full ammo and I never had more than one health kit I don't think.
 
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