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'The Last of Us: Remastered' coming to PS4, July 2014, [1080p, targeting 60 fps]

Who would even make this? I can't imagine that ND are going to want to put Uncharted 4 aside so they can work on another PS3>PS4 game. Are they going to outsource this one now that they can show/explain to another studio how to do it?

It looks like they ported their Ps3 engine to the Ps4, so maybe after the work they did for The Last Of Us Remastered it isn't so much work to port Uncharted 1-3.

Uncharted Collection would be perfect for summer drought in 2015.
 

GenericUser

Member
It's an extension of the single player game mode in the sense that it takes the core of the single player gameplay experience and tries it's best to replicate that in a multiplayer setting. The goal of factions is to basically earn supplies by playing the different game modes, the more supplies you earn (think of supplies as points), the larger your faction gets, and the longer you survive. The goal of the factions metagame is to survive through 12 weeks (in game time).

So from a gameplay standpoint, elements of stealth, crafting weapons, setting traps and trying to earn supplies by scoring points through completing objectives and killing enemies from the opposite faction are present. It's slow and methodical, run and gun lone wolf style gameplay is usually ineffective against a team that works well together and communicates.

There are perks, weapons and perks are limited by loadout points, different weapons and gear, so those aspects should be familiar to you. You can alsao 'purchase' in game gear like armor and bullets along with weapon upgrades through the supply points you earned.
Sounds like something different. Interesting. Although I doubt that good team play on consoles can happen. If you get people you know personally into game, yes, if not ...
 
Well im one of those that switched from the 360 so never played TLOU, So already got this remaster on pre-order, Really looking forward to playing it. I did the same with GTAV aswell.
 

Cyberia

Member
Who would even make this? I can't imagine that ND are going to want to put Uncharted 4 aside so they can work on another PS3>PS4 game. Are they going to outsource this one now that they can show/explain to another studio how to do it?

ND making it is very unlikely yeah. Corrinne already stated that after TLoU she's going back to U4.
 
Not all movies are shot at 24fps.

The Hobbit movies are shot at 48fps. If you suffer the misfortune of having to watch them at that framerate, the look like they are filmed on a TV set.[/QUOTE

Yeah but in 100+ years of movies, only those films are not 24fps, you can't use that as an example. I agree with you by the way i watched the second Hobbit in 48fps and I hated it....

But Peter Jackson made that choice and I respect it....
 

Vashetti

Banned
Not all movies are shot at 24fps.

The Hobbit movies are shot at 48fps. If you suffer the misfortune of having to watch them at that framerate, the look like they are filmed on a TV set.

Err, speak for yourself.

The Hobbit movies at 48fps 3D is my preferred way to watch them. Buttery smooth and stunning IQ.
 

StuBurns

Banned
I hated The Hobbit at 48fps, but it's not analogous to games at 60 really. The idea that 24fps is cinematic, so 30 is more cinematic than 60 is bizarre.
 

BigTnaples

Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Wow. The tweets from the ND guys are raising my expectations a bit.


At first it seemed it was going to be 1080p@60fps, with cutscene models, High Res textures, and some less blocky shadows.



From what they are saying, we may indeed get more enhancements...
 

Gray Matter

Member
It's an extension of the single player game mode in the sense that it takes the core of the single player gameplay experience and tries it's best to replicate that in a multiplayer setting. The goal of factions is to basically earn supplies by playing the different game modes, the more supplies you earn (think of supplies as points), the larger your faction gets, and the longer you survive. The goal of the factions metagame is to survive through 12 weeks (in game time).

So from a gameplay standpoint, elements of stealth, crafting weapons, setting traps and trying to earn supplies by scoring points through completing objectives and killing enemies from the opposite faction are present. It's slow and methodical, run and gun lone wolf style gameplay is usually ineffective against a team that works well together and communicates.

There are perks, weapons and perks are limited by loadout points, different weapons and gear, so those aspects should be familiar to you. You can alsao 'purchase' in game gear like armor and bullets along with weapon upgrades through the supply points you earned.

I couldn't have said it better myself. Definitely my favorite MP ever.
 

GavinUK86

Member
I guess this is now a bit off-topic considering all the framerate discussion but has anyone ever used GameStop UK for preorders? I'm asking because they're selling TLOU Remastered for £29.97 with free p&p. Are they reliable? I'm always hearing how rubbish the US GameStop is.
 

BiGBoSSMk23

A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
Why would they spoil the game for people who haven't played? They know the week after release, Digital Foundry will do a side by side anyway.

I don't think it'll be the prolific upgrade that GTAV was (because that was always destined to be an improved PC port) but it'll look really good.





Please don't quote the word "shot" as if I ever said it. I know it's not film.

And you're missing the point. The point is not what is technically possible in any of these mediums, the point is standards have been established and there's a visual language to movies and TV that are distinct from one another and far deeper ingrained than visual language in games at the moment.

So when I see something in 60fps it reminds me of live sports or soap operas.

Honestly, man, that's just your brain being accustomed to something that is not necessarily a golden standard. To say that a movie or game loses its "seriousness" because of the framerate borders on the "elitist" or "hipster" mentality.
 

Kart94

Banned
The Last the of Us? Just a sign that the industry is getting too lazy to make games, so they just remaster 1 year old games.
 
I guess this is now a bit off-topic considering all the framerate discussion but has anyone ever used GameStop UK for preorders? I'm asking because they're selling TLOU Remastered for £29.97 with free p&p. Are they reliable? I'm always hearing how rubbish the US GameStop is.

Yeah, I grabbed that deal yesterday. I pre-ordered Watch Dogs from them and it came 3 or 4 days before release.
 

GribbleGrunger

Dreams in Digital
Yeah, it's pathetic.

They can't say:

"Ehy, this port just sucks, don,'t buy it".

And yet, no gameplay video at all, release next month :S

I can never understand this line of thinking. If they never had confidence in their product, they'd just say nothing. The fact that they're this confident gives US confidence.
 

Sid

Member
An UC Collection would almost certainly be outsourced. The idea of going back to a Remaster Collection quality port after TLoU is kind of lame though. Having all the cutscenes rerendered and stuff is really nice. I wouldn't buy it anyway, UC2 is the only really good one, but it'll probably be the case for any other Remasters we get this generation that used prerendered cutscenes. It was really bad in the GoW Collection. Capacity is a serious issue too. UC1, 2 and 3 wouldn't nearly fit on a single BRD.
How much time would it take to port over 3 PS3 games though considering they said porting/making TLoU on PS4 was 'hell'?
 

plainr_

Member
Wow. The tweets from the ND guys are raising my expectations a bit.


At first it seemed it was going to be 1080p@60fps, with cutscene models, High Res textures, and some less blocky shadows.



From what they are saying, we may indeed get more enhancements...

I'm expecting lighting improvements which alone makes a world of difference.
 

StuBurns

Banned
They're tweeting because they're proud of their work, that's lovely to me. I don't think it's some huge conspiracy to squeeze out a few more sales.
How much time would it take to port over 3 PS3 games though considering they said porting/making TLoU on PS4 was 'hell'?
I imagine it'd be much easier comparatively, TLoU was on the UC technology base, so the core engine is already on PS4 now. It'll be much easier for multiplatform developers though, moving from a 360 build to a PS4/XBO Remaster would presumably be mostly painless. Dat MassEffectTrilogy (although, they're already on x86 anyway, so even easier).
 

kyser73

Member
I get the soap opera effect for about 2 seconds, then it goes.

FWIW re:the tweets, I doubt Sony's (or indeed ND's) PR team would be wildly happy about them all troll oping over the 60fps issue. I don't know what the rules are there, but many places have very strict rules about work-related tweeting. Shit, it may even be a teaser PR campaign - if it is I reckon it's a good one since it will spark debate (as it already has on this page) and on the assumption that TLOU:R is 1080/60 there will be salt and helpings of corvus and most importantly (and this is where it could backfire), if lays the groundwork for U4's marketing.

Sign me up for the Uncharted Remaster Box set too.
 
The Last the of Us? Just a sign that the industry is getting too lazy to make games, so they just remaster 1 year old games.

Lazy? They are making Uncharted 4 right now too, and apparently have another unannounced project in the works. I don't see the problem in porting a one year old game to the PS4, seeing as many people who own a PS4 now didn't own a PS3 last gen. None-PS3 owners get to play one of the most critically acclaimed games in existence on their PS4's, ND/Sony get the loot, and people who did play TLOU last gen and don't want to buy it again get Uncharted 4 and whatever else ND are developing....it's win-win-win.

ND, lazy? Ha.
 

RoboPlato

I'd be in the dick
oh ok.

On the one hand, i appreciate the passion.

On the other hand, i can't take the developers' words at face value.

It'd be weird if they said "this game is not going to look that good at 1080p, looks like we wasted our time, folks!"
The tweets lately sound like they've accomplished more than they expected to with the remaster. Everyone sounds pleasantly surprised.

The Last the of Us? Just a sign that the industry is getting too lazy to make games, so they just remaster 1 year old games.
Wow. Just wow.
 

benjammin

Member
nd people saying their game is amazing. is this like the playstation blog not saying bad things about ps4 games? haha

just seems odd all the self fellating. do developers often comment on the quality of their own games like this?

Nothing wrong with ND being proud of their work. Just show off some damn gameplay already! At least give me some mp, the game comes out in a month and we haven't seen anything other than all the most important spoilers in glorious hd.
 

R_Deckard

Member
Who would even make this? I can't imagine that ND are going to want to put Uncharted 4 aside so they can work on another PS3>PS4 game. Are they going to outsource this one now that they can show/explain to another studio how to do it?
My guess Bend who did a great job on golden abyss, with engine converted over and running at 60 with a more demanding ( and added features ) game like TLOU then I would imagine it us going on in parallel now if it turns out to be true.
 

OsirisBlack

Banned
Err, speak for yourself.

The Hobbit movies at 48fps 3D is my preferred way to watch them. Buttery smooth and stunning IQ.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion yours is however the minority for most people it was a jarring experience. this is a pretty good read explaining why movies still use 24fps and blur over higher fps. I understand gamers tend to like their 60+fps games and again it is all subjective I think it works amazingly well for most types of games especially fps games. I could not enjoy earlier fps games because the low frame rates gave me motion sickness.

http://gizmodo.com/5969817/the-hobbit-an-unexpected-masterclass-in-why-48-fps-fails
 
They're tweeting because they're proud of their work, that's lovely to me. I don't it's some huge conspiracy to squeeze out a few more sales.
Shush you. Everything is a conspiracy. All Naughty Dog employees wear tinfoil hats to work too. Can't have the cloud stealing their thoughts.
 

kyser73

Member
The Last the of Us? Just a sign that the industry is getting too lazy to make games, so they just remaster 1 year old games.

It serves the same purposes as the TR:DE release - monetising the first phase of developing on the new consoles. I'd be really surprised if the next TR on PS4 isn't a solid 60 too.

Plus : seriously? This is a game that along with GTAV utterly deserves to be on the new consoles.

How much time would it take to port over 3 PS3 games though considering they said porting/making TLoU on PS4 was 'hell'?

As I understand it all the games from the PS3 use the same engine. If this is the case it probably means the heavy lifting for remastering the Uncharted games is now done.
 

Kart94

Banned
The tweets lately sound like they've accomplished more than they expected to with the remaster. Everyone sounds pleasantly surprised.


Wow. Just wow.

It is true though. Tomb Raider, Last of Us GTA 5. None of those games are even 2 years old and they have the nerve to release it at full price.

Remastering only works when your game is 10 years old.

It really says something about the industry that they are trying to remaster their biggest hits of last year into new consoles instead of making a new game or something new. Just pure cash grabs.


This is why Nintendo won E3 imho. No "Remastered" Bs
 
Honestly, man, that's just your brain being accustomed to something that is not necessarily a golden standard. To say that a movie or game loses its "seriousness" because of the framerate borders on the "elitist" or "hipster" mentality.

I agree... As I said, it's a standard, it's about perception and my brain parsing something. I didn't say it makes it more or less serious. I said it adheres to a visual style that communicates something other than film, and more to the point something other than high-production values.

I also said that trying to adhere to these standards has a mostly adverse effect on games/gameplay and that with some time the standard; that 24/30fps institutional norm, can be subverted by games.

So cheers for calling me an elitist hipster, when I have mostly the same opinion as you.
 
I would rather have developers praise their own game rather than Kojima feeling "Depressed that MGS V will not match GTA V" If you do not believe in your own product why should any one else?
 

Salex_

Member
It is true though. Tomb Raider, Last of Us GTA 5. None of those games are even 2 years old and they have the nerve to release it at full price.

Remastering only works when your game is 10 years old.

It really says something about the industry that they are trying to remaster their biggest hits of last year into new consoles instead of making a new game or something new. Just pure cash grabs.

TLOU and GTA 5 came out at the end of the generation. Both of them were one of the best reviewed games of the generation and they sold millions. It makes sense to port them to the new consoles.

Many people fall under these categories.
1. Never had a PS3/360 and wants to play the game on their PS4/X1/PC.
2. Loved the multiplayer and wants to play it on their new console/PC.
3. Would prefer to play the game at higher framerate and resolution.

If you have a problem with these ports, don't buy it? Crystal Dynamics, Naughty Dog, and Rockstar are all working on new games, 2 (maybe 3 if Rockstar's game before march 2015 wasn't GTA5?) of these companies has new games coming out next year. There's no reason to complain about this.
This is why Nintendo won E3 imho. No "Remastered" Bs
Bayonetta 1 Wi U?
 

Freeman

Banned
An Uncharted Collection sounds great, the more games get re-release on PS4 the better, specially when they are so good.
 

geordiemp

Member
Really torn whether to get this digitally or disc....

We have 2 x Ps4 so digital would allow me and son to play same time, but as I understand TLOU has no coop mode (nor one planned) ?

So cheaper price disk (UK) vs multiplayer together ?
 

quickwhips

Member
Maybe we will see a heavy rain ps4. But seriously I need some ps4 TLUS multiplayer. My ps4 is lacking a good online game with friends.
 

kyser73

Member
It is true though. Tomb Raider, Last of Us GTA 5. None of those games are even 2 years old and they have the nerve to release it at full price.

I think this argument is balls.

First off, no-one is forced to buy the game again on Day 1 at full price. You could wait until the price comes down or get pre-owned copy in a month.

Second, there's an assumption that everyone buying them will gave played the previous gen version - in my case I've played GTAV and about 1/3 of TLOU. As far as I'm concerned TR:DE was a new game for me, and I consider TLOU The same. GTAV I look at the same way I look at a movie like Apocalypse Now , The Godfather or any one of the 50 or so movies I have at least 2 versions per format of across VHS, DVD and BD and which I bought on Day 1.
 

quickwhips

Member
I think this argument is balls.

First off, no-one is forced to buy the game again on Day 1 at full price. You could wait until the price comes down or get pre-owned copy in a month.

Second, there's an assumption that everyone buying them will gave played the previous fen version - in my case I've played GTAV and about 1/3 of TLOU. As far as I'm concerned TR:DE was a new fame for me, and I consider TLOU The same. GTAV I look at the same way I look at a movie like Apocalypse Now , The Godfather or any one of the 50 or so movies I have at least 2 versions per format of across VHS, DVD and BD and which I bought on Day 1.
You don't need to defend your disposable income.
 

Vashetti

Banned
It is true though. Tomb Raider, Last of Us GTA 5. None of those games are even 2 years old and they have the nerve to release it at full price.

Remastering only works when your game is 10 years old.

It really says something about the industry that they are trying to remaster their biggest hits of last year into new consoles instead of making a new game or something new. Just pure cash grabs.


This is why Nintendo won E3 imho. No "Remastered" Bs

Every Nintendo game is a slight update of the previous one, they're just sneaky not to put "remastered" on the cover and instead come up with a new name.

See? I can thread shit too.

If you don't want to purchase TLOU on PS4, that's fine, but don't come in here and whine about it when everyone else is super excited to play a very fine game with some very nice improvements.
 

quickwhips

Member
Every Nintendo game is a slight update of the previous one, they're just sneaky not to put "remastered" on the cover and instead come up with a new name.

See? I can thread shit too.

If you don't want to purchase TLOU on PS4, that's fine, but don't come in here and whine about it when everyone else is super excited to play a very fine game with some very nice improvements.
I thought it was an up port what improved?
 
It is true though. Tomb Raider, Last of Us GTA 5. None of those games are even 2 years old and they have the nerve to release it at full price.

Remastering only works when your game is 10 years old.

It really says something about the industry that they are trying to remaster their biggest hits of last year into new consoles instead of making a new game or something new. Just pure cash grabs.


This is why Nintendo won E3 imho. No "Remastered" Bs

Wtf...says who?

Tons of people are excited for this/going to buy this. ND seem excited and very proud of what they have achieved, i think this is a perfect example of a remaster "working".

As for the second bolded part...they are making something new, why won't you acknowledge that? You can't just keep saying "they aren't making anything new" when they simple are. I don't really see the point of you coming into this thread to bash on a remaster that plenty of people are showing excitement for. If you don't agree with it, then don't buy it.
 

StuBurns

Banned
It is true though. Tomb Raider, Last of Us GTA 5. None of those games are even 2 years old and they have the nerve to release it at full price.
Since when does a game's value increase over time? TLoU will actually be cheaper in the UK when it launches than the PS3 version + DLC will still be, more than a year after release.
Remastering only works when your game is 10 years old.
TLoU will sell very well, as will GTA, so you will be factually proven wrong soon.
It really says something about the industry that they are trying to remaster their biggest hits of last year into new consoles instead of making a new game or something new. Just pure cash grabs.
Just utterly moronic.
This is why Nintendo won E3 imho. No "Remastered" Bs
Idiocy again, as if them announcing Xenoblade or Twilight Princess HD would have weakened their conference.
 

Hoje0308

Banned
The Last the of Us? Just a sign that the industry is getting too lazy to make games, so they just remaster 1 year old games.


What avatar do you got there buddy?


Right? The series that sees multiple releases on multiple platforms, with multiple updates that also make the rounds. Unless ND puts out Super Duper Extreme The Last of Us: We're Really Alone Now Deluxe Edition, Kart94 should probably just shut his mouth.

To you it was a Tuesday to him it was the most important day of his life.

Haha!

Yup, Bully Scholarship Edition is a good example.

And there was nothing wrong with that. Either you were waiting for the new consoles to come out and wanted to save money (or assumed it would see an update), or you just really liked the game and wanted to play it at a higher level of fidelity and/or performance. This isn't a new thing at all and is especially laughable from the guy that is apparently a fan of Street Fighter and Nintendo (i.e. a game known for cash grab updates and a company known for reusing the same handful of IP for the last three decades).
 
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