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[TheMissingLink]

Man alive, so good.

So many callbacks to season 1 in this last episode. I'm so glad

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Laurie got her

own episode...and I was glad we touched on everybody's story, too.

It's incredible that even with such a ridiculous concept of a story...you feel SO invested.

Acting, score, writing, cinematography....it's all amazing. This is one special show.

 

[Diprosalic]

starting now. a laurie episode? dear god no.

 

[CSJ]

starting now. a laurie episode? dear god no.

Just started here too, the other lady at the start, she was the one at the start in the first episode of season 1 wasn't she?

 

[JaseC]

Just started here too, the other lady at the start, she was the one at the start in the first episode of season 1 wasn't she?

Yeah.

 

[Sanke__]

Oh fuck me. So he just

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can't find Christopher Sunday and they keep sending him back.

This is what I'm guessing

I hope so

Will make for an epic episode

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if he really can die and come back at will then why not do it multiple times to comic effect but at the same time, everyone left besides Michael is so fucking crazy that there will be no way to know what is real

 

[Ogni-XR21]

Fucking Sky Germany, yet again they don't have the show available the next day. I wanted to watch Leftovers followed by Twin Peaks. And while Twin Peaks is nice and I'm looking forward to it, I was looking forward to Leftovers way more.

 

[bodyofanamerican]

This is what I'm guessing

I hope so

Will make for an epic episode

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if he really can die and come back at will then why not do it multiple times to comic effect but at the same time, everyone left besides Michael is so fucking crazy that there will be no way to know what is real

I think we're going to see it t

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ake a toll on Kevin both he and we weren't aware of until now

.

 

[Vic_Viper]

Oh fuck me. So he just

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can't find Christopher Sunday and they keep sending him back.

I think either the

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water in the Bathtub keeps draining before he can die or his father is having a hard time trying to kill Kevin with his bare hands.

Either way this season has seriously gone in an entirely different direction than I thought it would lol. Plus theres only 2 more episodes left!!!

When Laurie was going Scuba Diving at the end was she trying to

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kill herself

!?

 

[Diprosalic]

When Laurie was going Scuba Diving at the end was she trying to

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kill herself

!?

did you really have to ask this?

 

[Don Draper's Hat]

did you really have to ask this?

I mean she might have just listened to Nora's spiel and thought "Fuck yeah, I haven't been scuba diving in years!"

 

[Vic_Viper]

did you really have to ask this?

LOL. I just never expected her to be that kind of person, although the opening scene definitely changes my opinion of her and I wouldnt have believed it without seeing that first. Nora on the other hand I totally saw happening.

The Judas scene was crazy, one of the best scenes of the season. Seeing Kevin Sr pass out like that was great.

 

[MegaSackman]

starting now. a laurie episode? dear god no.

So, how was it? I didn't like Laurie as a main character but this episode was really great, it was almost devastating how they tied every storyline with her own, excellent.

I didn't like the intro, but at the end I realized it made total sense.

 

[Diprosalic]

So, how was it? I didn't like Laurie as a main character but this episode was really great, it was almost devastating how they tied every storyline with her own, excellent.

I didn't like the intro, but at the end I realized it made total sense.

it was fine but the most interesting things were almost always the characters she interacted with.

 

[Tranqueris]

I mean she might have just listened to Nora's spiel and thought "Fuck yeah, I haven't been scuba diving in years!"

I didn't think it was just her scuba diving but I also didn't notice much in the episode that made it clear that

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she was looking to kill herself just because she had tried it before she joined the GR. Maybe I need to rewatch it because it just seems like Nora giving her the idea was the only reason why it happened.

 

[MegaSackman]

it was fine but the most interesting things were almost always the characters she interacted with.

Fair enough, I could say that yeah but I liked how she is the only one that make some sort of sense or what used to be common sense prior the rapture.

I didn't think it was just her scuba diving but I also didn't notice much in the episode that made it clear that

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she was looking to kill herself just because she had tried it before she joined the GR. Maybe I need to rewatch it because it just seems like Nora giving her the idea was the only reason why it happened.

Mmm nope

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, the reason is that this wasn't a world for her anymore, the characters, the people she loved just showed it to her. The idea of killing Kevin to send messages to dead people treated like a normal thing or people like Nora wanting to leave the "planet" to meet her family, plus she being already broken was reason enough to me (I mean, she joined a cult, lost a baby, put her daughter in danger, created her own god fantasy).

 

[Skateboard P]

Weird question but are we to assume that when that lady Laurie was talking to said that her baby might come back and be in a parking lot 2 years later, that it triggered an existential crisis for Laurie and caused her to join Guilty Remnant? Was she afraid her grown fetus would come back?

 

[MegaSackman]

Weird question but are we to assume that when that lady Laurie was talking to said that her baby might come back and be in a parking lot 2 years later, that it triggered an existential crisis for Laurie and caused her to join Guilty Remnant? Was she afraid her grown fetus would come back?

I don't think so, I'm asume she was already broken by that time. That lady was just a trigger.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

Weird question but are we to assume that when that lady Laurie was talking to said that her baby might come back and be in a parking lot 2 years later, that it triggered an existential crisis for Laurie and caused her to join Guilty Remnant? Was she afraid her grown fetus would come back?

I took it as the straw that broke the camel's back. Especially when the lady was asking "What should I do?" and Laurie didn't have answers. Like what do you even say to that? You can't tell her to move on because who knows, her kid might reappear in the parking lot. It also ties in well with why her and John don't do readings for Departures, because it only upsets people either way. Her patient planted that seed that the GR would be more helpful than she was. And there it was.

 

[Erigu]

Mmm nope

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, the reason is that this wasn't a world for her anymore, the characters, the people she loved just showed it to her. The idea of killing Kevin to send messages to dead people treated like a normal thing or people like Nora wanting to leave the "planet" to meet her family, plus she being already broken was reason enough to me (I mean, she joined a cult, lost a baby, put her daughter in danger, created her own god fantasy).

Yeah, never mind everything that happened during the show: apparently, she was still in the same place she was before it even began.
In other words, we have ourselves another stellar example of "character arc"...

 

[TheNatureBoy]

Another great episode

Loved the Laurie dinner drugging scene

Nora's story about her and Matt at the baseball game/Laurie's phone call from Jill on the boat were

 

[jf DOOM]

Yeah, never mind everything that happened during the show: apparently, she was still in the same place she was before it even began.
In other words, we have ourselves another stellar example of "character arc"...

You're an extremely enjoyable individual.

 

[MegaSackman]

Yeah, never mind everything that happened during the show: apparently, she was still in the same place she was before it even began.
In other words, we have ourselves another stellar example of "character arc"...

Well... that's kinda the point of the show, people trying to be ok and realizing they can't.

 

[Erigu]

Well... that's kinda the point of the show, people trying to be ok and realizing they can't.

I can see why that would take three seasons.

 

[j-wood]

Ah, I see Erigu has come to shit on this show just like LOST.

Last night's episode was amazing. A masterclass of TV.

 

[Einchy]

No idea what Nora's story was supposed to symbolize but Carrie Coon's there acting there was great.

 

[Username1198]

This show man. Fucking wow. Please end well please. End well and it will be my all time favorite show, I'm so glad I caught up finally. Man oh man.

Man lauries arc, if it has ended , is amazing. Man that ending.

And that last episode, where Matt talks to "God", I was just hypnotized, amazing conversation (untie me) with that music building up (snaps fingers) wow and the ending with the lion and matts reaction, holy shit lol.

 

[BlueTsunami]

Lorelei is such a fantastic character. She lacks the narrative flourishes of Nora and Kevin but shes so grounded, and composed maintaining a sense of sanity in that mad world. She just couldn't escape that sense of madness, didnt feel she had a place in that world anymore. I'm starting to believe shes my favorite character from this series.

 

[HoJu]

I can see why that would take three seasons.

lol it took seven seasons in Mad Men with Don Draper

 

[Ross61]

No idea what Nora's story was supposed to symbolize but Carrie Coon's there acting there was great.

I guess she was thinking by ending the operation she was going to stop the "fun" like that guy did.

 

[Einchy]

I guess she was thinking by ending the operation she was going to stop the "fun" like that guy did.

Doesn't seem like she wants to end it, though. More like that's a lie she told because she wasn't really ready to admit she just wanted to use the machine.

 

[venom2124]

Something's been bothering me about this season. How exactly does Matt know about the events in international assassin? He wrote about the events in the book of Kevin and I just can't see Kevin telling him what happened. Am I forgetting something from season 2 where Kevin tells his neighbor or the kid about his experience?

 

[Ross61]

Something's been bothering me about this season. How exactly does Matt know about the events in international assassin? He wrote about the events in the book of Kevin and I just can't see Kevin telling him what happened. Am I forgetting something from season 2 where Kevin tells his neighbor or the kid about his experience?

Kevin must have told him inbetween seasons. Or he might've learned from Michael who I think Kevin told. I distinctly remember them talking about it when Kevin first rose from the ground.

 

[Erigu]

lol it took seven seasons in Mad Men with Don Draper

Look, man... As positive as the other posters in this thread are, even some of them mentioned they didn't quite see why she would suddenly kill herself.
The show seems to be saying "hey, look: she was suicidal 5 years back, so... that makes sense, right? she's still suicidal, simple as that"... and... yeah, it's just that between then and now, there was, like, the entire fucking show. She recently married John, for instance. Did none of that matter? Is that the idea, seriously? And as I pointed out, that's not limited to that character either.
"We're all gone."
What? How does that even...
"You understand."
Oh, fuck off, show.

We're apparently back to the Guilty Remnant rhetoric of "nothing matters", and once again, the only reason we're given is that "people are broken because of the Departure, because those who disappeared aren't known to be dead, so there's no closure".
Therefore: Magic Grief! People join the Guilty Remnants, dogs go feral, etc.
"Hey, who's to say how people would react, after all? It's science fiction! The Departure isn't real! And we decided that, yeah, they'd all be broken, decide that nothing matters, Guilty Remnants, feral, etc."
Of course, mass grief and missing persons (as well as combinations of those two) are a thing in the real world, but hey. Trying to ground all that (or to explore what would actually set an event like the Departure apart) sounds like a lot of work, when you could just take the lazy route and use Magic Grief as a justification for some cheap, forced drama instead.

 

[MegaSackman]

Her husband, John, is insane. You omit things too...

 

[Erigu]

Her husband, John, is insane.

He didn't seem all that insane to me, this week. He was actually willing to drop it all.
But she apparently decided that nothing mattered (except drugging people for fun, I guess... she still loves pranks!), so there.

 

[Einchy]

Oh, she never told Kevin about Nora, so if she just vanishes, he won't know what the fuck happened.

 

[MegaSackman]

Oh, she never told Kevin about Nora, so if she just vanishes, he won't know what the fuck happened.

He asked her if "Nora's gone" and she told him that "everyone was" so, I take it like he had an idea of what she did.

 

[Einchy]

He asked her if "Nora's gone" and she told him that "everyone was" so, I take it like he had an idea of what she did.

I dunno, if that was me, I'd be like "what the fuck does that even mean?".

 

[Erigu]

I dunno, if that was me, I'd be like "what the fuck does that even mean?".

You understand.

 

[MegaSackman]

I dunno, if that was me, I'd be like "what the fuck does that even mean?".

He is making the question, he told Nora to "go to be with her children", he told Laurie that "Nora was the one escaping", He already knows what's happening, we are the ones that are not sure (well I'm convinced tho).

 

[Fenderputty]

im still confused what she did there. She just decided to die?

I'm not sure yet. Kinda feel like her daughters call might have changed her mind and she just decided she wanted to scuba dive. Maybe not. She looked happy when she put the mask on. I suppose that could've been her coming to terms with her decision.

Really curious about Nora. Old Nora, at a glance, seems to give away too many plot points.

 

[Tranqueris]

Fair enough, I could say that yeah but I liked how she is the only one that make some sort of sense or what used to be common sense prior the rapture.



Mmm nope

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, the reason is that this wasn't a world for her anymore, the characters, the people she loved just showed it to her. The idea of killing Kevin to send messages to dead people treated like a normal thing or people like Nora wanting to leave the "planet" to meet her family, plus she being already broken was reason enough to me (I mean, she joined a cult, lost a baby, put her daughter in danger, created her own god fantasy).

Hmmm, true. I'll have to watch it again when four hours of Twin Peaks isn't fucking with my mind.

 

[Sadsic]

Look, man... As positive as the other posters in this thread are, even some of them mentioned they didn't quite see why she would suddenly kill herself.
The show seems to be saying "hey, look: she was suicidal 5 years back, so... that makes sense, right? she's still suicidal, simple as that"... and... yeah, it's just that between then and now, there was, like, the entire fucking show. She recently married John, for instance. Did none of that matter? Is that the idea, seriously? And as I pointed out, that's not limited to that character either.
"We're all gone."
What? How does that even...
"You understand."
Oh, fuck off, show.

Suicide is not something that ever really makes sense - I say this as someone who has tried to die multiple times in the past. It's an irrational reaction to subjective feelings, that are invented in your own mind. There does not need to be a "reason" for people to kill themselves - it is self-evident. I found that Laurie's potential reasons for killing herself in this episode are numerous, number one being that she has had thoughts of suicide previously. This entire episode is littered with possible reasons for Laurie to kill herself, and the thematic of suicide throughout is both obvious and subtle. I do not believe any sort of magical reasoning is necessary to find this episode to be extremely poignant and moving, as I do.

Ultimately, I find this show is really about unsolvable, unknowable truths, and how different people may react to a sudden realization of how unknown life really is. It's a very complex idea with quite a lot to unpack. In my opinion, The Leftovers is doing a fantastic job showing how a myriad of different people may react to these truths, and I believe the critical reaction is quite just. Maybe this insight will help you digest the show better

 

[blame space]

*Grabs sadsic and passionately kisses him*

 

[Erigu]

Suicide is not something that ever really makes sense - I say this as someone who has tried to die multiple times in the past.

I realize that, but I'm getting tired of seeing the convenient "hey, people don't always make sense" argument being used to defend Lindelof's works.
At the end of the say, those are still stories, and from a storytelling perspective, you'd expect the characters to have arcs you can actually follow (it's okay to go "hey, she's not being rational, there", but I'd like to see what triggered that between last week and now... and no, "the series finale is fast approaching" doesn't cut it) rather than random motivations they draw weekly from a hat.

I found that Laurie's potential reasons for killing herself in this episode are numerous, number one being that she has had thoughts of suicide previously.

Yes, but then she didn't, and the entire show happened, and she got married, and... I mean, in that scene where they were arguing about going to Australia, last week, am I now to believe that she already intended to find Kevin in order to "say good-bye" and then kill herself, at that point? If not, what happened?

This entire episode is littered with possible reasons for Laurie to kill herself

What do you have in mind?

I do not believe any sort of magical reasoning is necessary to find this episode to be extremely poignant and moving, as I do.

I find it is when the writers basically revert her to her Guilty Remnant self and worldview in the last hour as if flicking a switch, and we're to believe this is a wide-spread phenomenon in that world, one that makes sense on some mysterious level even to other characters ("you understand", Tommy's "hey, they may have a point" (right after they kidnapped and sexually assaulted him, no less), or Kevin's quiet acceptance of this week's "we're all gone" deepity).

 

[SCHUEY F1]

Another fantastic episode. I wonder if Kevin will see Laurie on the other side?

 

[RatskyWatsky]

Weird question but are we to assume that when that lady Laurie was talking to said that her baby might come back and be in a parking lot 2 years later, that it triggered an existential crisis for Laurie and caused her to join Guilty Remnant? Was she afraid her grown fetus would come back?

lmao

 

[Doodis]

Kevin is going to be busy when he dies. Gotta learn the song, gotta give the message to Evie, gotta...Laurie? What are you doing here???

 

[John Harker]

Another fantastic episode. I wonder if Kevin will see Laurie on the other side?

And Nora.

An entire episode dedicated to suicide as a choice.
Damn. This show could actually end with all the main leads choosing to find themselves in death rather than live in a world that's moved on from caring if people live or die any more.

Especially in light of Jill's phone call.

 

[Theorry]

And Nora.

An entire episode dedicated to suicide as a choice.
Damn. This show could actually end with all the main leads choosing to find themselves in death rather than live in a world that's moved on from caring if people live or die any more.

Especially in light of Jill's phone call.

Nora isnt gonna die? We saw her in the future?