Crow could never be a lead. The pervy and (somewhat) lazy characters never are.
Rean x Laura, though never that upfront.
Rean x Laura, though never that upfront.
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The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel |OT| Class Warfare
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DrROBschiz
Member
Too polite
The tension was more annoying than natural
Half of their conversations where them exchanging compliments on how great they are
Give me some REAL drama man
Yeah they took that stuff a bit too far. You can be a fun charismatic womanizer without coming off as a creep. I think Kevin Graham towed that line much better than Crow but hey these guys ARE young
Glitter and Gold
Banned
Laura just has a light crush she'll get over it
She can do better. Like Fie for example
I liked how their relationship was based on mutual support. They'd both offer help and advice and encouragement to each other in their interactions in Bond Events and the main story.
It's not traditional fiction romance by any means, but I just thought they really complimented each other as a pair.
I was a little disappointed by how platonic their dance scene was though...
Half of all of the conversations in the game were just needless amounts of compliments and humility all around lol
DrROBschiz
Member
yup
you only had a few characters with a enough personality to break shit up
Sharon, Sara, Jusis, Fie, Crow, Angelica
Those are the best characters man.
Emma, Towa, Elliot and Gaius where pretty much nice characters and had decent personalities but overall didnt add much flare.
I know you need straight arrow characters that are positive, nice and happy all the time but cmon
Alisa never followed through on the hints of fiery personality so she basically just became a monologer about here personal issues.
Laura.... I love her, love her design. My knight but also is hopelessly restrained but at least not offensive in any way.... except for the whole lame conflict with Fie but i blame the writers there
I haven't finished it of course, but I had the same thought initially. From what I've seen though, I think they do a good job counterbalancing that by having characters (Laura and Sara in particular) call him on that. Dude is nice, but overcompensating a teensy bit. And he wants everyone to think his hands are squeaky clean with no callouses. Laura knows though.
DrROBschiz
Member
It would be nice if his drop out had an interesting story behind it
some conflict
Maybe even something crazy. That way his sister could have had a more tangible foil to work with instead of what they gave her
Missed narrative opportunities all around... from the guys that gave us Trails in the Sky. A game where the characters and writing were able to surprise me in quite a few ways
They pandered hard and played it safe with this game
I like the way you think. lol
But yeah, romance in this game was not very well handled due to all the options. You obviously cannot have a story scene where Rean fully commits to Alisa, for example... because what if the player only interacted with Laura instead? And a sequel cannot continue an "official" romance for the same reason. So the romantic interactions are half-baked at best and don't have any emotional pull. You can't have Laura make any passes at Fie as part of the main storyline because what if Fie is, uh, fully linked with Rean?
In fact this same problem is the cornerstone of the problems with Social Links in general and why Class VII feels like linear nonentities (and why the school and older NPCs have way better lines and funny conversations since they're on their own tack). I hope that there's no more compartmentalized social interactions in Kiseki games from here on out... :< (yes I've played CS2).
DrROBschiz
Member
It was weird
I felt like the Laura/Fie think was kind of heavily implied in a weird way. It was cool but I wanted Laura for myself
Even if i was stuck with Shitstain Rean as my avatar
Apparently. I played through twice and never got that.
Ultimadrago
Member
I have to agree and considering the ending biggun'.....,(Late Game)
which was cool enough in its own right
DrROBschiz
Member
Well not explicitly
I think it was the combination of the girls that knew Laura at home and a few of their scenes
Seems like it was subtlely hinted at that they could have an attraction lol
So when's the prequel game before Class VII is established where I can play as Towa, Crow, Angelica and George going on Field Studies all around Erebonia?
And man, what *did* happen to Class VI? They just went and skipped it to get to VII. That point was raised in the early game and then completely dropped and never brought up again.
And man, what *did* happen to Class VI? They just went and skipped it to get to VII. That point was raised in the early game and then completely dropped and never brought up again.
If it is it'd probably feel as forced as their unnecessary squabbling. Machias is a bit of a naive brat and dragged Jusis down with him. Laura and Fie are too level headed to get into the mess they did.
DrROBschiz
Member
Yeah the whole Laura/Fie conflict was a whole lot of nothing and their duel even lamer
what a let down
I could write a better setup for them to clash in my head in five minutes
Lol shippers mindset. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile.
I don't see how the people from Laura's home thinking no man is good enough for Laura means her and Fie have a thing.
Ultimadrago
Member
Laura just has the im@s Makoto syndrome where more girls fawn over her than guys. Prince Laura, etc.
DrROBschiz
Member
You guys are taking this suggestion way to seriously
It was just something i felt they hinted at
Doesnt mean its actually a thing
What's the phrase? Laura is an Ojou or soemthing or other.
as well maybe, but it would be one sided towards that character and not reciprocated
The only people of Class VII I could see getting into arguments are Machias and Alisa. The rest are too mature, relaxed or tame for that to happem, hemce why Laura and Fie doing so just didn't feel right. I suppose
Millium
Ultimadrago
Member
I was totally prepared to have an Alisa forced pairing from the game. Her character simply screams "Main Girl! Main Girl!". While I'm impressed that it didn't happen to an everlasting extent, I wish the various Bonding Events were stronger on a whole. It's a(nother) similarity to the Modern Persona formula I didn't find was executed well. I still really liked some of the characters, but the relational weight wasn't there for a lot of them.
Additionally RIP CS2! (jk)
DrROBschiz
Member
I would have preferred not having the persona setup for exactly that reason
On the flipside i dunno if i would have liked a locked in story surrounding Rean any better.
Oh well. Game is still great and im happy to get CS2 soon.
On the flipside i dunno if i would have liked a locked in story surrounding Rean any better.
Oh well. Game is still great and im happy to get CS2 soon.
Glitter and Gold
Banned
I actually like the bonding events in Cold Steel. I think calling them "bonding" though is a bit misleading
What I prefer to social links is that these characters stories progress throughout the year whether you're watching or not, vs in Persona where NOTHING happens without you being there to help. Rean seems a lot less involved than a Persona protagonist would be at the core of most these scenes.
So I don't really look at them the same as social links, because I think alot of them don't really develop or deepen Rean's relationships with the characters. It's more him spending time and witnessing their stories that would play out whether he was there or not. Game just allows you to pick your favorites and see their stories firsthand
What I prefer to social links is that these characters stories progress throughout the year whether you're watching or not, vs in Persona where NOTHING happens without you being there to help. Rean seems a lot less involved than a Persona protagonist would be at the core of most these scenes.
So I don't really look at them the same as social links, because I think alot of them don't really develop or deepen Rean's relationships with the characters. It's more him spending time and witnessing their stories that would play out whether he was there or not. Game just allows you to pick your favorites and see their stories firsthand
Chapter 4 spoilers for those who haven't seen it but a question I have on a replay.
Is it ever explained why the door on the 4th floor of the schoolhouse opens for Elise? I know Emma shoots Celine a glare but I assumed it was for leading her down there, not that she was the one to open it. I just don't get why the door "speaks" to Rean but opens for Elise when they aren't blood related. If it is something that gets explained in CS2 then I don't want to know but if there's anything from this one, I'm down.
Cornbread78
Member
Finally started digging in and finished up the prologue this afternoon and I never realized how similar this game is to P4g (which is a good thing) and I can't wait to dig into it more. The only draw back to that is I will have to play with a guide handy because I'Lloyd cry if I mess up my ships...
Novel Mike
Member
I thought the general idea of it was fine but I didn't think they executed it all that well. I think they should have touched more on the idea that Laura was a bit vain because she understands just how strong and capable Fie really is but she is a slacker and she can't understand her because of that since she has always lived her life with constant disciple and training where as Fie who she finds to be a rival in many ways just doesn't care about any of that. It's a clashing of two very different personalities and it frustrates Laura more then anything else that she can't get through to her.
In the end it came off very forced and in a way to provide Rean another way to interact with his group as the 'leader' but I do think there is something there that really would have caused a real conflict between Laura and Fie they just screwed it up in the end.
I really think they should have shown a bit more personality in Laura shes very stoic and I'm surpised shes liked as much as she is since I generally found her fairly boring compared to much of the other female cast. Shes a hugely OP character in battle but if you asked me to describe all of the female characters to a friend I wouldn't have a problem doing that except for Laura, shes just basically the high class 'Lady' character. Shes honorable and strong but she never really shows any emotion or personality. It's one of the few things I do hope improves with her in CS2 because as much as I liked having her on my party she certainly is the least interesting character of the CS1 cast.
Also on a replay (my third) and just left Legram. Lots of mysteries peek themselves out from hiding in Chapter 5, and I've mused about
and what might be behind it before. Now I'm thinking about something else:
Now, the one thing Legram is also most famous for is its Lake Ebel and the fog that covers the area on frequent occasions. One of the characters mentions on Day 2 or 3 that the town is getting misty again... and I couldn't help but focus on the word 'misty'.
Anybody who's played the game to completion once is well aware
Am I thinking too hard on this or is there a connection between
I realize I might be grasping at straws. Don't need the whole thing spoiled, just let me know if I'm on the right track with my thinking here. It's fun trying to put two and two together but sometimes you need to make sure you're not being led astray by some red herring.
the giant door inside Lohengrin Castle
Emma says that Legram (or perhaps more specifically, the castle) is not "their jurisdiction". Which of course makes me wonder whose it is. Obviously it would be someone with the same abilities as her. This of course ties in with what may be hidden beneath the castle.
Now, the one thing Legram is also most famous for is its Lake Ebel and the fog that covers the area on frequent occasions. One of the characters mentions on Day 2 or 3 that the town is getting misty again... and I couldn't help but focus on the word 'misty'.
Anybody who's played the game to completion once is well aware
of another character who Emma seems intimately knowledgeable of: Vita Clotilde a.k.a. the Azure Abyss but more importantly, goes under cover as Radio Trista's voice of Abend Time. The alias she goes by?
'Misty'.
'Misty'.
Legram and Vita?
I realize I might be grasping at straws. Don't need the whole thing spoiled, just let me know if I'm on the right track with my thinking here. It's fun trying to put two and two together but sometimes you need to make sure you're not being led astray by some red herring.
No one can spoil anything for you since we don't know yet. Your critical thinking, however, is what this series expects from you and you are at least on to something.
Personally, I think (pure speculative, Cold Steel spoilers)
neither Emma nor Vita has jurisdiction over Legram. Rather a third person.
YianGaruga
Banned
Cold Steel II coming to EU form NISA this autumn. Expected but nice to finally have confirmation
https://twitter.com/NISAinEurope/status/746025051317805056
https://twitter.com/NISAinEurope/status/746025051317805056
psvita and ps3?
YianGaruga
Banned
They didn't specifiy yet, but I'm pretty sure they will.
EDIT: Gematsu for the rescue
Just like it did the first game, NIS America will bring The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel II for PlayStation 3 and PS Vita as a physical and digital release this fall, the company announced.
http://gematsu.com/2016/06/legend-heroes-trails-cold-steel-ii-launches-fall-europe
I wonder if importing a clear save file from the US version of CS1 is possible with a PAL CS2. If the releases are close enough, I'd still rather buy the PAL version of the game.
Nope. Both games have to be from the same region.
Shame, but not a surprise. Gotta import from VG+ again, then. At least it was pretty painless to get it from there.
Eh? Rean is more of a coolguystevememe type who just does nice things to people without expecting much in return because that's his nature than a nice guy who does nice things to women with the expection they'll be rewarded with a relationship/sex. It's not the most exciting character type from a narrative point of view, but no need to make him into some douche when he's not.
Yeah, same. Although seeing how this won't come out during the holidays, I'm hopeful I won't have to wait 4 weeks again.
YianGaruga
Banned
I already preordered from VGP months ago, it's my most anticipated title I won't wait a day longer than I have to 
You can use a program to remove region restrictions from saves. Then it will work on your copy. Brute Force Save Editor.
Society sure did a number on Nice Guy.
Maybe, but people viewing from the outside rather than his POV might not think that.
That's true, yeah.
Yep.
Yeah. I mean, I took your original post as pointing out that Rean is so nice and outwardly selfless that in a real-life scenario it could easily come off as disengenuos/driven by some hidden agenda, which I still think is a fair assessment that the game itself acknowledges.
Eudaemonium
Member
Yeah, that dungeon theme was seriously epic.
That said, I kind of feel everything after the end of Chapter 6 is really weird narratively. I don't really know why, but it felt incredibly... odd. Both times I played through it.
I think part of it is (chapter 6/7 spoilers)
how after you beat C you get a long string of 'epilogue-style' cutscenes, regarding meeting with the emperor and what happened with Angelica, etc. It reminded me a lot of the 'and this is what happened next' epilogue slides you get in BioWare games.
Then the game carries on but has a completely different structure to the rest of the game (no field trip/practical exam/etc.)
Then the game carries on but has a completely different structure to the rest of the game (no field trip/practical exam/etc.)
Probably as a result of having to meet a deadline to get the game out and the final chapter(s) getting ridiculous with the amount of content they'd have to stuff in 'em that they felt the need to trim some of it out, which resulted in a Drama CD and a sequel that encompasses all of the stuff they wanted to fit in the tail-end of Cold Steel, and then some.
So yes, Cold Steel got Sonic & Knuckle'd, lol.
Perhaps one day Falcom will be willing to "lock on" both parts back together again and restore the game in its original form. But probably not, they seem pretty okay with how it turned out.
So yes, Cold Steel got Sonic & Knuckle'd, lol.
Perhaps one day Falcom will be willing to "lock on" both parts back together again and restore the game in its original form. But probably not, they seem pretty okay with how it turned out.