Majukun
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I wouldn't expect much from the doc.. i would love for zelda to get the witcher treatment and get the amount of a small game in added content, but I don't think Nintendo will go that far.
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The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild |OT3| Your Free Time is Badly Damaged
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theaffection
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How do you finish the
sidequest? I bought everything you can get and it still hasnt been completed!
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Majukun
Member
talk to the quest giver?
Oh so she's not in the city?
Shamrock7r
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I challenge you pick one Zelda game and list off optional rewards it has to offer so that we can debate the merits of your list vs what is offered in BotW.
I would imagine the only game that will come close is Majora's Mask, and even that would be debatable as most of the "rewarding" feeling from Majora's Mask comes from actually doing the sidequests, and not any actual great item you receive at the end.
What's funny is
I never used my bow once during the battle. As soon as the battle began, I ran away to put some space between us. When he approached, I wailed on him with the Master Sword and knocked about 1/3 of his life off. The final phase, where he builds up energy(like a Guardian), I just ran up and delivered a few more slashes before he could attack and BOOM. Dead. 
I wonder if the battle would've been more challenging if I didn't have the MS
I wonder if the battle would've been more challenging if I didn't have the MS
Majukun
Member
no she's not
What's funny is.I never used my bow once during the battle. As soon as the battle began, I ran away to put some space between us. When he approached, I wailed on him with the Master Sword and knocked about 1/3 of his life off. The final phase, where he builds up energy(like a Guardian), I just ran up and delivered a few more slashes before he could attack and BOOM. Dead.
If I did have one legit criticism about this game (apart from any shrine featuring motion controls), it's how easy pretty much all the bosses are from the divine beasts to the Overworld. The Lynels are by far the most dangerous enemies in the game and they're classified as normal mob types. I remember one shotting a Stone Talus by hitting its weak spot with a boulder breaker. Bam, gone in one hit. I mean ffs sometimes I've had a harder time with White Bokoblins than I've had with a boss.
Get a second full wheel of stamina and you're pretty much golden and can focus on hearts.
theaffection
Member
Nothing happens. Guess it isn't meant to be completed
I've defeated a couple Stone Talus by firing bomb arrows at their weakspots. Pretty effective in my experience. As for the Lynels, I vow to take one down at some point, but those things intimidate the shit out of me. They're smart as fuck, fast as hell and can sense your presence from far away.
If you walk near them they will look at you and slowly follow you for a bit, but will only attack if you get too close to them or draw your weapon. So dont be too afraid of them
ArkkAngel007
Member
Rewards could be better, though generally I've found them ok.
The one egregious example would be one Major Test of Strength where the chest near the altar gave a
. I get that the
are part of the reward as well, but that's still laughable when every enemy I encounter is generally
with
It's just a disappointing end note to an involved encounter.
The one egregious example would be one Major Test of Strength where the chest near the altar gave a
13 Soldiers Halberd (no perks iirc)
Guardian's weapons
black tier
silvers sprinkled in.
It's just a disappointing end note to an involved encounter.
You have to purchase a few things 3 times. Check if you can still buy anything from him. If there is no more options then.....
I feel like this experience is true to early Zelda, where Lynels consistently fucked me up but bosses were always "vigorous but manageable" or were one-hit wonders like Digdogger.
Oh yeah, I know that much. That's what makes them so smart. They react according to your actions. I got up really close to one and observed him as he observed me. It was tense as fuck. I started to slowly back away, with no weapons drawn, but something irked him and he drew his bow and started to approach me. I said "Fuck this!", pulled up my map and transported halfway across Hyrule. Not today, Pinky. Not today.
Shamrock7r
Member
Well you also get the orb and a new teleporting destination point, but my argument is that a lot of people who dislike the game are romanticizing previous Zelda games in terms of what they actually received for exploring and discovering new areas. Sometimes you got something unique, but usually you got rupees or a quarter heart piece. I would argue that BotW offers more unique items than nearly any other Zelda, but that the world is so big you also have a multiplication of the "heart piece" type of rewards as it pertains to shrines.
There were times when I feel like I boosted with time to spare and it still stopped at the hurdle. And the auto turn crap still happened.
Com Truise
Member
Well great, we have now established that the entirety of BotW is optional, why even talk about rewarding sidequests then.
I don't follow. A heart container is just a random example for something that is not rupees which is what you get for every minigame. Yes, I think a heart-container is more of a meaningful reward than rupees, because for once, you're not getting just rupees. No I don't think having 120 shrines that offer 120 heart pieces makes for a good foundation for exploration. Is this so hard to get.
There are like, three sidequests that reward you with equipment. Same with horses. How many sidequest are in this game? How many of them reward you with rupees and food and other useless shit? The vast, vast, majority. But sure, many of them lead to equipment and horses and upgrades. If you stretch the meaning of many. Talk about dishonesty.
Do you not see the difference between upgrading your carry capacity permanently and picking up 5 bombs or something.
All BotW offers in terms of lasting rewards is shrines and Korok seeds (and armor which you find in shrines and buy the rest). This is shit, because you're only reward worth a damn is the exact same thing every time. The rest is resource gathering fluff. So when someone is like, "man why do people think the rewards for sidequests in BotW are shit! Except for Majora's Mask it's the exact same thing!", I think back on all the sidequests I did in BotW. The weapon showing for 50 rupees. The photograph showing for 100 rupees, the ingredient collecting for a soup, the 55 rushrooms for a diamond, the paragliding for rupees, the bowling for rupees, the surfing for rupees. And here you are telling me, that among this unrelenting deluge of garbage sidequests, there are a couple where you get a white horse and a rubber helm. And so this game, which consists of 90% open world diarrhea, provides a comparable experience to a tight action-adventure. Uh-huh.
So hearth pieces and inventory upgrades, so unlike any zelda before!
If you have the map for the area, the heroine looks exactly like the others when seen from above.
Exploring and wandering on horseback. I'm 325 seeds and like 55 shrines. At least six regions didn't step foot in yet.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
beat this.
what a fabulous experience. i feel as though i've just emerged from an awe inspiring cave and remembered the real world exists. the game just consumed my life and attention. it will be years before i feel that way again.
what a fabulous experience. i feel as though i've just emerged from an awe inspiring cave and remembered the real world exists. the game just consumed my life and attention. it will be years before i feel that way again.
Shamrock7r
Member
I can't argue with you if you can't even form a coherent argument with consistent points. You are all over the place, and you keep spouting out incorrect information (Like I can think of 8 or 9 optional quests off the top of my head that involves equipment and I don't even have everything so there could be more). But I think your last sentence confirms my previous post about you preferring a linear game but you are articulating it incorrectly in the form of this nonsense "rewards" argument.
You can't avoid damage in cold waters by any mean. No clothing and no elixir can help you. It's stated like this in a loading screen tip.
Do you expect a reward after you get to eat a cheese cake? #youdontgetit
Not that I know of, but you should try refusing him for some funny dialogue.
ArkkAngel007
Member
I can agree that past Zelda games weren't exactly generous with the rewards and progression opportunities, but when how undercut the unique content is by the fragility system [that I have little issue with outside of a few particular ones] I tend to find the rewards like I had cited a bit underwhelming in the context of the game itself, rather than in comparison to past entries in the franchise.
I haven't been in this thread much to keep things as surprising as possible, but I think most are approaching it from that place as well. Those who are focused on past Zeldas I could argue view it that in the context and design of those specific entries, those rewards were major and fit the achievement of the progression.
BOTW is such a different and larger beast however that of course in direct comparison those rewards are meaningless, particularly how trivial BOTW makes them within it.
Again though, overall I think the rewards are fitting with how the game is designed outside of that notable exception.
He's coming across as if he needs near constant gratification to stay engaged.
OrbitalBeard
Member
I'll admit, BotW is one of the first instances where an achievement system is sorely missed.
ArkkAngel007
Member
I have a ton of hours into this game (each unknown; is this info found in parental control app?), and it's crazy that this hasn't appeared yet. I think the other day I had another new one detailing something about a certain sword's
ranged
I sort of feel the opposite. All of it feels so natural that I don't want something trying to establish goals in that manner.
Magic Mushroom
Member
Even if a huge chunk is shrines - and getting to shrines in the first place can be an adventure in itself - I find them far more fun and diverse than the bomb pouches or arrow quivers I got in every Zelda game ever. And that's without the armor, weapons, Watcher cores, juwels and heart and stamina upgrades taken into account. Same with the Korok seeds. You do different things to get them and the reward, bigger inventory space, is actually useful in a game that showers you with weapons, bows and shields. Whereas I often felt I didn't really needed the rupees or pouches of previous Zeldas.
Regginator
Member
For me it's not about "previous zelda" but just in general as the game in itself.
In the beginning, finding new stuff is special as you always need something (and you quickly run out) to get out of sticky situations. Finding a good quality sword felt like a boon when you were running low on good items and out of arrows. The early hours of the game are the best for that.
But then the difficulty flatlines completely, and while the game keeps showering you with good items it just stops being special as they either a) break as fast as everything else or b) you already got a shitload of stuff already.
A few examples for me when I find rewards getting lesser and lesser important, the biggest being
the weapons you get after the divine beast missions
And that's a bit of the same thing for the stuff you can get in hyrule castle. There are amazing weapons in there that you'll usually end up getting at the end game, but they're not more durable than most and at that point the pleasure of finding new stuff is gone completely (after all, the mastersword does a great job in itself, and if you have ancient arrows, who cares if you have a better bow. And you're probably stacked with good weapons for regular enemies at that point).
Similar with sidequests where the story is already poor, but apart for when they reward you with neat stuff like armor, rewards in rupees just feel hollow after a while. You can get so much more just by selling stones and whatnot if you need it for a much higher value.
For me I'd say I link a lot of this to just the difficulty not being there at all in the second half of the game.
I don't expect a different setting necessarily, but we know there will be a new story and dungeon at the least, as part of DLC Pack 2.
Yeah my March got completely sucked up by this game. I'm still in the process of returning to a semi-normal life.
frankie_baby
Member
Well after 180 hours i finally thought sod it I'll go face ganon, wow
Now afterwards went back to the game and I'm at riverside side stable and decide i should probably take my poor neglected horse slowy out for a ride, he's been stuck in a stable for at least 3 weeks so i get him out and decide to go on a ride to woodland stable, imagine my shock to discover along the way
Now afterwards went back to the game and I'm at riverside side stable and decide i should probably take my poor neglected horse slowy out for a ride, he's been stuck in a stable for at least 3 weeks so i get him out and decide to go on a ride to woodland stable, imagine my shock to discover along the way
another stable i hadnt yet found, wetland stable
The wet climbing issue I think is one mechanic the game could've been perfectly fine without. I know Nintendo were going for realism but I don't think people would have even taken note of it
Regginator
Member
It has a ranged attack?? How? Earlier games that had it usually required full health, but I've never seen anything remotely ranged, so I assume the pre-requirements are different in BOTW?
Shamrock7r
Member
But I would argue that this is where the Romanticizing of previous Zelda games comes in. How much more valuable does it feel to get a heart container then vs now, or bomb bag upgrade vs a weapon stash upgrade. A lot of that, in my opinion, may have to do with nostalgia
And there we go: You don't like open world games. It's really not necessary to justify it, because it's fine. Tastes gonna teastes and there's really no need to make up bullshit arguments to justify how open world is inferior to "tight action adventure". While we're throwing mud though: BotW may be "open word diarrhea" to you, so why not go back, play two decades worth of previous console Zelda games? "Tight action adventure" aka:
Regginator
Member
Ah, that... actually makes sense. I was expecting
laser beams like some of the 2D games
It does
shoot beams at full health, greater range the more hearts you have,
greater power based on how upgraded the Tunic of the Wild is
greater power based on how upgraded the Tunic of the Wild is
Haunted
Member
I've never had any issues with climbing in the rain. The game asks you to observe where and when you climb, look for overhangs and shorter climbing distances, because the places programmed to rain are designed specifically to be navigated while it does rain. If it seems "impossible" find a dry spot and pass the time with a fire.
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