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The Mass Effect Community Thread
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The Artisan
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that's what I meant when I said none of us are the spokesman representative of the ME community. but why is it not an indication to you, that, given in this conversation you've been a part of that you are the one with the unpopular opinion?
i think shinobi was accurate when he said you haven't frequented in ME discussions
He's not. I've seen plenty of wider discussion. I just don't think being the outlier in a discussion between like 3-4 people is representative of the community.
Like he said though, everyone's entitled to their opinion. I think you're as far off-base as you probably think I am, honestly. It's whatever.
Like he said though, everyone's entitled to their opinion. I think you're as far off-base as you probably think I am, honestly. It's whatever.
The Artisan
Member
i'm not saying 3-4 people should be representative of the community either but that it should be an indication to you that it is a popular opinion. but yeah, everyone's entitled to their own.
Liara suddenly being the shadowbroker without explanation in ME3 is a massive gap, if you ask me.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
And I just find it funny how you dismiss everything as "handful of dudes on GAF saying something"
At the end of the day you have to gauge popular opinion somewhere. When it comes to games, forums, twitter, reddit etc are probably the best place. If a lot of people on those places share an opinion then its a good bet that others outside of it do too. However, short of polling everyone who owns a game/system etc. You'll never truly know.
One exception to that is Assassins Creed games, where you're given the opportunity to rate each mission when you finish it.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Plus we are talking about far far far more than 3-4 people.
The Artisan
Member
exactly. now granted, in this thread right now it's only been 3-4 people, but to me it's indicative that there are vastly more overall that are likeminded.
I agree that both Leviathan and From Ashes should have been a part of the narrative. I'd argue that the events of Shadow Broker ought to have been woven in as well for those who didn't own it since it's a fucking ridiculous leap to have Liara being an Illium info broker to killing and replacing one of the deadliest people in the galaxy.
The Artisan
Member
i heard a while back that javik was originally supposed to be more of a scientist and help out with the crucible as a main part of the plot, but that was rewritten and liara took the scientist role and javik became a dlc squadmate who knew very little about the crucible because he was a soldier
That's incredibly silly.
Poodlestrike
Banned
I'd say that the only pieces of DLC that strike me as "essential" are From Ashes and maybe Leviathan. Extended Cut is free, so that doesn't count as DLC, but if you feel like insisting that it is that ups it to 3.
Everything else is just "why would you skip this are you stupid" tier. Citadel especially. Best bit of DLC I've ever played.
Everything else is just "why would you skip this are you stupid" tier. Citadel especially. Best bit of DLC I've ever played.
The Artisan
Member
Given the logic that everyone's tried explaining to you combined with the fact that no one essentially is agreeing with you here, I find that you are the one being incredibly silly, buddy.
You know when you read research findings for social observations and they say something like "We've found that 1 out every 5 people..."? The key word there is "every", as in multiple groups. We're talking about a single group of five people out of however many millions bought Mass Effect. This discussion isn't indicative of any sort of consensus.
Now, you're perfectly free to believe what you want, I'm just telling you: That's not how that works.
The Artisan
Member
then you're still missing the point. there are others in this thread who have stated they have seen and read opinions that are consistent with the popular opinion in this discussion. yet, you are arguing that no such consensus exists, but it sounds like you're just refusing to believe it, given how you're ignoring a lot of what other people are saying.
it was also told to you that, yes, it's next to impossible to know how every single person feels about ME, but that from what can be gathered out of the people who given their thoughts, there is a commonality, and that is that the dlcs are vital to the trinomial experience.
you're right, you're free to believe whatever you want, we all are. but if you disbelieve that there's a consensus, then i'm inclined to say that objectively, you're wrong about that.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
You're the one who seems silly.
The Artisan
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I honestly don't know how somebody could say that there are no essential dlc. I know people who didn't play Shadow Broker or Arrival before ME3 and they were somewhat confused. I cant imagine playing ME3 without From Ashes. Others like Leviathan aren't necessarily needed but change the player's understanding or perception. There are definitely some crucial dlc.
One thing that Bioware should do with Andromeda is not making crucial/essential/super important for the lore DLC.
They should make more Bring Down the Sky, Overlord and Omega and less Leviathan, Arrival and Shadow Broker.
And before someone say "but Omega was worse than Leviathan" or "but Shadow Broker was awesome", I'm talking purely on "not a big deal if missed" story content here.
DLC shouldn't be essential to have a better understanding of the lore or to avoid confusion in the sequel, it's stupid. It's even worse when that DLC is just as expensive as when it was released years ago.
They should make more Bring Down the Sky, Overlord and Omega and less Leviathan, Arrival and Shadow Broker.
And before someone say "but Omega was worse than Leviathan" or "but Shadow Broker was awesome", I'm talking purely on "not a big deal if missed" story content here.
DLC shouldn't be essential to have a better understanding of the lore or to avoid confusion in the sequel, it's stupid. It's even worse when that DLC is just as expensive as when it was released years ago.
The Artisan
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i went back to watch the n7 video a couple of times and i know a lot of people reacted as it being "fucking nothing . gif", but I like it. I like the femshep voiceover and the general message it tells about mankind n shit.
The Lamonster
Member
Yesterday I realized I wore my Mass Effect hoodie and shoes at the same time lol
*obligatory "I don't care about Andromeda; give us ME trilogy remaster ASAP" comment*
*obligatory "I don't care about Andromeda; give us ME trilogy remaster ASAP" comment*
The Artisan
Member
what do the shoes look like?
The Lamonster
Member
They can have story/plot stuff in DLC but they need to actually make an effort into explaining that shit in following titles so people aren't lost. Give them a cutscene or something.
The Artisan
Member
hey, they're pretty not-bad lookin'
super comfy too
Ivory Samoan
Gold Member
I've made more friends IRL with my N7 t-shirt than with any other piece of clothing ever.
It's the best conversation starter with like minded individuals out.
Actually scored my latest job via that t-shirt now that I think about it (in that, I met my now boss at a bar where she recognised the Mass Effect vibe and that is how we met). Thanks N7, you are keeping my wallet full and my Biotics stocked up
It's the best conversation starter with like minded individuals out.
Actually scored my latest job via that t-shirt now that I think about it (in that, I met my now boss at a bar where she recognised the Mass Effect vibe and that is how we met). Thanks N7, you are keeping my wallet full and my Biotics stocked up
The Artisan
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haha, nice. i have on more than one occasion received comments about my n7 hoodie/apparel. in the masjid, in the library at college, at a concert, a random passersby in the college deli.I've made more friends IRL with my N7 t-shirt than with any other piece of clothing ever.
It's the best conversation starter with like minded individuals out.
Actually scored my latest job via that t-shirt now that I think about it (in that, I met my now boss at a bar where she recognised the Mass Effect vibe and that is how we met). Thanks N7, you are keeping my wallet full and my Biotics stocked up
it's great.
DOWN
Banned
super comfy too
honestly it sucks they turned N7 into a fan service brand in real life and the games. The Mass Effect 3 N7 hoody was hellishly far from how N7 was described in the ME1 era.
The Artisan
Member
how do you mean?
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
One thing that Bioware should do with Andromeda is not making crucial/essential/super important for the lore DLC.
They should make more Bring Down the Sky, Overlord and Omega and less Leviathan, Arrival and Shadow Broker.
And before someone say "but Omega was worse than Leviathan" or "but Shadow Broker was awesome", I'm talking purely on "not a big deal if missed" story content here.
DLC shouldn't be essential to have a better understanding of the lore or to avoid confusion in the sequel, it's stupid. It's even worse when that DLC is just as expensive as when it was released years ago.
I actually agree with this. Perfect examples are Witcher 3, Fallout games, Borderlands, and Dishonored. All of that DLC was detached from the main story and felt like an experience all on its own.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Extremely LTTP, but I just finished Mass Effect 2 and it was fucking AMAZING!!! Tali is seriously the best waifu ever!!!!
I'm thinking of not playing ME3 until much closer to Andromeda.
BAd idea. Play it sooner, rather than later.
But the wait will be soo long for Andromeda then!!!
The Artisan
Member
I agree with Johnny. The wait will be worth it; and there's plenty of other great games for all platforms coming out in this span of time!
Boombloxer
Member
Extremely LTTP, but I just finished Mass Effect 2 and it was fucking AMAZING!!! Tali is seriously the best waifu ever!!!!
I'm thinking of not playing ME3 until much closer to Andromeda.
No, go play it right now. Your waifu awaits.
Best mission love-interest banter
So, how would you guys rate your love interests?
For me:
1) Miranda/Liara - Genetically perfect Femme fatale and attractive alien Shadow Broker, can't go wrong with either.
2) Tali - Best personality, she was like the great college gf.
I regret not giving Jack more of a chance--I've heard her development is rewarding.
Ashley was just like a normal fiction soldier romance with less usefulness in combat.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Me3 picks up after me2 and it makes sense to play it now so you can see how things play out.
Andromeda will be completely separate from the trilogy takes place in another galaxy.
The Artisan
Member
true, but all things considered about Me3, I think it's better to play it now rather than later.
That's what multiplayer is for. ME:A from what anyone knows will mercifully have little to no connection to the Shepard trilogy.
The Artisan
Member
agreed. that shit is so impractical.
Ivory Samoan
Gold Member
Extremely LTTP, but I just finished Mass Effect 2 and it was fucking AMAZING!!! Tali is seriously the best waifu ever!!!!
I'm thinking of not playing ME3 until much closer to Andromeda.
Nah mate, get amongst it now: there are SO many good games out now and coming out in 2016 before Andromeda, you may as well play ME3 while ME2 is still fresh in your head for continuity.
My advice, make sure to get all the story DLC for ME3, in my humble opinion, it's ALL essential to your overall ME3 enjoyment.
Homeworld Remastered has Mass Effect Reborn: I haven't played it yet but heard about it a while ago....could be good!
Poodlestrike
Banned
I think there's a mod for Sins of a Solar Empire that comes close.
The Artisan
Member
maybe there'll be companion games on mobile like Me3 did.
you owe it to yourself to experience tali's me3 romance asap.
see above. Garrus gets a strong second place. Liara comes in third for Lair of the Shadow Broker, even if her me3 romance is a bit generic.
On that note, I wish they'd explore the emotional consequence of an asari/human relationship more. Think Two Towers with Arwen and Elrond talking about her lingering sorrow after Aragorn dies. It's just kind of disregarded with Liara. That's part of why I think Tali's works: even if the whole quarian immune system issue is resolved too easily, it's at least a central part of the dialogues (as is how life on the Flotilla informs quarian culture's views on intimacy and romance).
Why? When the only thing i can remember from that is the photoshopped picture of her, that's not a good thing right?
Or were you talking about her cringeworthy singing from the Citadel DLC?
Tali's romance content is well-integrated into the Rannoch plot missions (which makes sense since Patrick Weekes did both the Tali and Rannoch writing), which makes it feel important and relevant in a way perhaps other romances can't emulate. She also has the best pair of goodbye scenes on Priority: Earth, and her drunken lamentations after Sanctuary are even funnier in a romance.
Or were you talking about her cringeworthy singing from the Citadel DLC?
That too!
Also, I'm a bit LTTP on the last page, but I don't actually mind Leviathan not being in the base game, because I suspect the story was substantially reworked to include the exposition for the main plot that it had. Remember that Walters had a note saying that the origins of the conflict didn't need an explanation at all and was supposed to be sort of mysterious: I can only imagine they decided to explain how things got to where they were after the game released and fans wanted everything explained. So to reframe, I'd say that they should have had an explanation in from the start, but not necessarily in the form of Leviathan, which is much more expensive than what would have been included in the base game.
The Artisan
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in my very first Me2 playthrough I made my femshep romance Garrus, but I've made her single in pretty much every playthrough since then.
for Muhammad Shepard,
1. Tali
2. Miranda
3. Jack
although I think I romanced Jack more often than Miranda but I like Miranda more
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