Same here.
Oh Morbid Angel.
I managed to pretty much completely forget about Illud Divinum Insanus,
then I listened to Altars of Madness again and remembered it.
I waited so long for that album
I like the first two Tucker albums. Formulas Fatal to the Flesh is really good. If you like Covenant I see no reason why you wouldn't like Gateways.
Sounds utterly horrible, like it was supposed to be some kind of lame joke. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, considering their recent endeavors.
Darkthrone - Leave No Cross Unturned (from The Underground Resistance)
Thanks, awesome stuff.
Darkthrone - Leave No Cross Unturned (from The Underground Resistance)
but I'll rather see pentagrams than inverted crosses.Whether it actually happened or not isn't really the point. A reverse cross is the symbol of St. Peter, and I believe his point is that most bands use it in an attempt to "shock" Christianity, but don't realize its meaning. I doubt most bands use it because the "cross was used before Christianity, and thus, etc."
Exactly.
well whether it happened or not is irrelevant, symbols are symbols, an inverted cross is symbol of humility and is right there in the Pope's throne.
Symbols do change a lot so I guess the discussion is also irrelevant
Symbols, like festive dates, were assimilated to christianity from a variety of sources, in order to turn their meaning to suit theirs. So, wouldn't it be appropriate in this context to turn them upside down, ie. the right way again?
If that's their purpose, then they're just getting the symbolism wrong. That's all.
You must be completely joking if you think you have to be a Catholic to know about St. Peter. When St. Peter started the Church (or became the first Pope, legend or not), it was a unified Church, not just the Roman Catholic Church. I'm from fucking Iraq, and I know his story. The point is if you're trying to disparage a religion, and trying to make a point about it through symbolism, you should probably know what that symbolism means. Otherwise, it just makes it look silly.
It doesn't matter if it's taught in schools. If you're starting a band that's trying to disparage Christianity, then you should know about it. If a Christian (and it's not "Christians and Catholics", Catholics are Christians) wants to start a band that disparages paganism, then it's their responsibility to know about the symbolism that they're using.
Once again, Catholicism is a part of Christianity. St. Peter is an important part of all Christianity, anywhere. And as you said, the reverse cross is used by these bands to disparage Christianity, not to uphold some symbol that predates Christianity. Like I said, if a Christian band comes out disparaging paganism, then they should understand the symbols, as well. All I'm saying is that using a reverse cross in an attempt to disparage Christianity shows a lack of understanding, that's all.
But once again, St. Peter is apart of all of Christianity, not just Catholicism. St. Peter being crucified upside down on a cross is not a part of Catholic history, it's a part of all of Christianity's history. Maybe you could argue that Christians indirectly disparages paganism, but even then, one ignorance doesn't justify another. If you create a band with an intent to disparage Christianity, then it's your responsibility to know Christianity (which includes St. Peter).
Once again, I have already said this. One ignorance doesn't pardon another. I don't really know how Scandinavian bands are having their lives affected by Christianity, but alright. However, and I'm sticking with this, if a band is using the reverse cross to disparage Christianity, then that's silly.
I have multiple close relatives in Scandinavia, and I've been to Sweden and Norway multiple times. From what I've been able to see (and I admit that I'm not an expert), but Christianity's influence stems from a cultural perspective that seems to be intertwined in general Western society. Trying to escape that just seems silly to me.