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The Michael Jackson Rebuttal

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lightskintwin

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This is made by The Rageaholic and I realize some people may not like him or his Youtube persona, but I would rather discussion to focus on the actual message being presented rather than any distractions about whether you like or dislike the messenger.

The Michael Jackson Rebuttal

With the outdated, spurious allegations, generated by a TABLOID, and for some reason, treated as historical fact by everyone from the Huffington Post to Breitbart News... it's time to load up the F-18 and drop some TRUTH BOMBS.

Table of Contents:
00:02:53 - M.J.'s 'Kiddie Pronz' (Annihilating the 'New' Allegations)
00:07:30 - The 1993 Allegations
00:11:13 - Jordan Chandler's 'Confession'
00:17:35 - The Matter of The Media
00:19:42 - Michael's 'Child Sex Alarm'
00:20:48 - "B-But Michael Sleeps In The Same Bed with BOYS!!1!1"
00:22:19 - "Oh Yeah?! Then Why Did He Pay Off The Accuser?!"
00:32:00 - The 'Other Accusers'

SELECTED SOURCES:
FBI's Catalog of All Material Recovered During Neverland Raids:
https://vault.fbi.gov/Michael Jackson

Timeline of 1993 Allegations:
http://michaeljacksonallegations.com/...

Timeline of 2005 Allegations:
http://michaeljacksonallegations.com/...

Court Transcripts from 2005 Trial:
http://michaeljacksonallegations.com/...
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Volimar

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The other thread was full of drive by "I knew it" posts even after the article was pretty much debunked. What there is against MJ is a mountain of circumstantial evidence that makes people feel icky, but no smoking gun to prove that he was a pedophile let alone a child molester.
 
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Anth0ny

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Volimar said:
The other thread was full of drive by "I knew it" posts even after the article was pretty much debunked. What there is against MJ is a mountain of circumstantial evidence that makes people feel icky, but no smoking gun to prove that he was a pedophile let alone a child molester.
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basically.
 
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entremet

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I'm a MJ fan, but regardless about the allegations--I don't know--dude made some stupid decisions with how he interacted with younger children--sleepovers, etc.

It will forever follow him.
 
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AlteredBeast

Fork 'em, Sparky!
This guy is annoying as shit to listen to. I am somehow more swayed that Michael Jackson was a pedophile after listening to this guy ranting.


Hw almost has a Don Knotts quality to his voice, so grating.
 
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Anth0ny

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entremet said:
I'm a MJ fan, but regardless about the allegations--I don't know--dude made some stupid decisions with how he interacted with younger children--sleepovers, etc.

It will forever follow him.
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Of course. I don't know how you can argue against that unless you were Jackson himself.

Still a BIG jump between "creepy dude who has sleepovers with kids" and "child molester". Mental health issues brought on by a traumatic childhood? Yes. Peter Pan syndrome? The poster boy. Child molester? fuck that.
 
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georly

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Volimar said:
The other thread was full of drive by "I knew it" posts even after the article was pretty much debunked. What there is against MJ is a mountain of circumstantial evidence that makes people feel icky, but no smoking gun to prove that he was a pedophile let alone a child molester.
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Yup. I've never ever bought into it. He was creepy as hell but he's a victim of arrested development and that's all there is to it. His childhood was taken away from him, so he forever clinged on to childlike fantasies.
 
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massoluk

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I didn't comment in the other thread because I felt I would get piled on, but literally the entire country was out to get MJ convicted when it happened. The idea that he would get away even without a charge for possessing child pornography if true is laughable.
 
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acheron_xl

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georly said:
Yup. I've never ever bought into it. He was creepy as hell but he's a victim of arrested development and that's all there is to it. His childhood was taken away from him, so he forever clinged on to childlike fantasies.
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That's all there is to it, folks. Where there's smoke there's definitely not a smoking gun!
 
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ElectricBlanketFire

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Anth0ny said:
Of course. I don't know how you can argue against that unless you were Jackson himself.

Still a BIG jump between "creepy dude who has sleepovers with kids" and "child molester". Mental health issues brought on by a traumatic childhood? Yes. Peter Pan syndrome? The poster boy. Child molester? fuck that.
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How is it a BIG jump to go from to an adult who likes to sleep in the same bed with kids to child molester?
 
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Chicken

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The defenders of MJ never cease to amaze me. It's like children who continue to believe in Santa Clauss even after finding out their parents were the ones who left the gifts and ate the cookies.
 
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Heckler456

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Chicken said:
The defenders of MJ never cease to amaze me. It's like children who continue to believe in Santa Clauss even after finding out their parents were the ones who left the gifts and ate the cookies.
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Well, hell. That video got me swaying, but this impeccable piece of argumentation sure got me on the straight-and-narrow again!
 
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lightskintwin

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Chicken said:
The defenders of MJ never cease to amaze me. It's like children who continue to believe in Santa Clauss even after finding out their parents were the ones who left the gifts and ate the cookies.
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There's defending of Michael Jackson against poor, lack of, or completely disproven evidence that still get's reported as truth.
 
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Zaptruder

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Chicken said:
The defenders of MJ never cease to amaze me. It's like children who continue to believe in Santa Clauss even after finding out their parents were the ones who left the gifts and ate the cookies.
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It doesn't matter hugely to me one way or another, but a lack of definitive proof is simply that.

It's good practice to withhold judgement until certainty can be had.

Otherwise you're just one of the pitchfork plebs been manipulated by the agenda of others.
 
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Chicken

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Zaptruder said:
It doesn't matter hugely to me one way or another, but a lack of definitive proof is simply that.

It's good practice to withhold judgement until certainty can be had.

Otherwise you're just one of the pitchfork plebs been manipulated by the agenda of others.
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Hey, I agree. We should be like the Catholic Church and demand two witnesses before we believe children or those who claim Michael was inappropriate with children. I mean damn, child porn? No biggie, it was probably purchased by his maids.
 
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benzy

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Chicken said:
Hey, I agree. We should be like the Catholic Church and demand two witnesses before we believe children or those who claim Michael was inappropriate with children. I mean damn, child porn? No biggie, it was probably purchased by his maids.
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He didn't have any child porn.
 
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ElectricBlanketFire

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Zaptruder said:
It doesn't matter hugely to me one way or another, but a lack of definitive proof is simply that.

It's good practice to withhold judgement until certainty can be had.

Otherwise you're just one of the pitchfork plebs been manipulated by the agenda of others.
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Yeah, withhold judgement you pitchfork plebs!
 
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Anth0ny

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Chicken said:
Hey, I agree. We should be like the Catholic Church and demand two witnesses before we believe children or those who claim Michael was inappropriate with children. I mean damn, child porn? No biggie, it was probably purchased by his maids.
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the power of the tabloids right here

lightskintwin said:
There's defending of Michael Jackson against poor, lack of, or completely disproven evidence that still get's reported as truth.
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-MB-

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Chicken said:
Hey, I agree. We should be like the Catholic Church and demand two witnesses before we believe children or those who claim Michael was inappropriate with children. I mean damn, child porn? No biggie, it was probably purchased by his maids.
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So basically you ARE just one of the pitchfork plebs that has been manipulated by the agenda of others.
 
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James Scott

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entremet said:
I'm a MJ fan, but regardless about the allegations--I don't know--dude made some stupid decisions with how he interacted with younger children--sleepovers, etc.

It will forever follow him.
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The kids slept in his bedroom which the video states is the size of a duplex. Still a bit weird, but not as bad as people reporting that they slept in the same bed or making people think they slept together in a normal sized room
 
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lightskintwin

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Chicken said:
Hey, I agree. We should be like the Catholic Church and demand two witnesses before we believe children or those who claim Michael was inappropriate with children. I mean damn, child porn? No biggie, it was probably purchased by his maids.
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There's literally a link of FBI catalogued evidence and none of them are child porn, but legally obtained items that the media have morphed into being "child porn" and you regurgitating the same nonsense without further research.
 
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3rdman

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Chicken said:
The defenders of MJ never cease to amaze me. It's like children who continue to believe in Santa Clauss even after finding out their parents were the ones who left the gifts and ate the cookies.
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Next thing you know people will tell us that Iraq never had weapons of mass destruction.

By the way, it has nothing to do with defending MJ...it has to do simply with facts. Even the original accuser recanted his testimony.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QJFn7EpqvU

This was the accuser from the first case in which MJ settled out of court. The case that actually went to trial ended with a "not guilty" verdict...I'm not an expert in the case so I can't tell you the specifics of each and every accusation but I've yet to see a smoking gun...the "revelations" from last week were a joke and (mark my words) they were simply the preamble to a publicity tour of an upcoming book.
 
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Zaptruder

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Chicken said:
Hey, I agree. We should be like the Catholic Church and demand two witnesses before we believe children or those who claim Michael was inappropriate with children. I mean damn, child porn? No biggie, it was probably purchased by his maids.
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Turns out, the Jackson family was all in on it too. We should hang every last one of those fuckers. Who's with me? Chicken, let's use that pitchfork in you've already got and GET SOME REAL JUSTICE!
 
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Fourth Storm

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James Scott said:
The kids slept in his bedroom which the video states is the size of a duplex. Still a bit weird, but not as bad as people reporting that they slept in the same bed or making people think they slept together in a normal sized room
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I thought Jackson admitted to sleeping in the same bed as a child. I seem to recall a quote of his saying, "That's the most loving thing you can do for someone. Share your bed."
 
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Mechanized

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Michael Jackson never grew up, because of the trauma his dad put him through. Joe Jackson is the reason MJ was the way he was. There is no proof MJ ever hurt any child, yet there is a ton of evidence that he liked to play video games and ride around merry go rounds and shit because he was a psychologically broken child in a man's body due to his father's bullshit. All the hate directed towards MJ should be focused squarely on that piece of shit Joe Jackson.
 
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Volimar

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I feel like the snarky posts didn't actually watch the video. I know the guy is grating but he has a lot of good points.
 
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ratcliffja

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Mechanized said:
Michael Jackson never grew up, because of the trauma his dad put him through. Joe Jackson is the reason MJ was the way he was. There is no proof MJ ever hurt any child, yet there is a ton of evidence that he liked to play video games and ride around merry go rounds and shit because he was a psychologically broken child in a man's body due to his father's bullshit. All the hate directed towards MJ should be focused squarely on that piece of shit Joe Jackson.
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This is exactly right. I'd rather have no music from him at all than have a family have to endure what they did because of Joe.
 
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Mesousa

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Mechanized said:
Michael Jackson never grew up, because of the trauma his dad put him through. Joe Jackson is the reason MJ was the way he was. There is no proof MJ ever hurt any child, yet there is a ton of evidence that he liked to play video games and ride around merry go rounds and shit because he was a psychologically broken child in a man's body due to his father's bullshit. All the hate directed towards MJ should be focused squarely on that piece of shit Joe Jackson.
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How many more times is joe going to be blamed for Mike being crazy as fuck?

Why is Marlon, who had it much worse even by Mike's own admission, not sleeping in bed with 10 year olds trying to relive his childhood?


Without Joe Michael Jackson would have been an eccentric Jehovahs witness guy living in Gary/Chicago area instead of the superstar loved worldwide.
 
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Volimar

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Mesousa said:
How many more times is joe going to be blamed for Mike being crazy as fuck?

Why is Marlon, who had it much worse even by Mike's own admission, sleeping in bed with 10 year olds trying to relive his childhood?


Without Joe Michael Jackson would have been an eccentric Jehovahs witness guy living in Gary/Chicago area instead of the superstar loved worldwide.
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I don't know how much of his childhood led to the kind of person MJ was, but in general, different kids react to things in different ways. You can't point to his siblings as proof of anything really.
 
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ratcliffja

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Mesousa said:
How many more times is joe going to be blamed for Mike being crazy as fuck?

Why is Marlon, who had it much worse even by Mike's own admission, sleeping in bed with 10 year olds trying to relive his childhood?


Without Joe Michael Jackson would have been an eccentric Jehovahs witness guy living in Gary/Chicago area instead of the superstar loved worldwide.
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The Jackson sisters are all kinds of messed up too. Michael died young because of the pressures of being a star who people loved to see fall.
 
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3rdman

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Mesousa said:
How many more times is joe going to be blamed for Mike being crazy as fuck?

Why is Marlon, who had it much worse even by Mike's own admission, not sleeping in bed with 10 year olds trying to relive his childhood?


Without Joe Michael Jackson would have been an eccentric Jehovahs witness guy living in Gary/Chicago area instead of the superstar loved worldwide.
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People react to trauma differently...shocking, I know.
 
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Mesousa

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ratcliffja said:
The Jackson sisters are all kinds of messed up too. Michael died young because of the pressures of being a star who people loved to see fall.
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Rebbie had been married to the same guy for like 40 years before he died. Latoya is fucked.

Janet seems normal enough

3rdman said:
People react to trauma differently...shocking, I know.
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Or maybe Mike was also going to be an eccentric guy, and people are trying to find somebody to blame for natural eccentricities?
 
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3rdman

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BKSmash said:
Of course they did. Many people on here (and in the world) are just so simple minded that they believe anything the media tells them, and aren't smart enough to look up the facts for themselves.
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I've been here too long...I can't tell you if you are being sarcastic or not. :p

But you did remind me of something that speaks directly to your point...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial

It's a fascinating case and a reminder that we need to be careful when making accusations which is why the mere accusation isn't enough for me...I need proof and until that surfaces with MJ, I haven't the reason to think him guilty.
 
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Tatsumi Oga

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Chicken said:
The defenders of MJ never cease to amaze me. It's like children who continue to believe in Santa Clauss even after finding out their parents were the ones who left the gifts and ate the cookies.
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People with your way of thinking do though. There is actually plenty of stuff out there to show that this man was the victim and was being framed. It's actually far more easier to show why he was innocent than to prove he wasn't.

What you say here is just dumb as hell and i'll tell you why. These defenders as you call them actually come with plentiful credible and valid information, not based on tabloids and all you do is say nonsense like they never cease to amaze you, these defenders.

You might as well not bother to reply at all, let alone enter this thread. It's quite clear to me you don't even want to believe in the possibility that the man actually was framed all the way.

Bullshit website called Radar Online even went as far to tamper with evidence and censor things when there was nothing to censor and people here went apeshit over it. Just one of the ciuntless examples of tabloids that just love to mess with him.
 
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BKSmash

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Tatsumi Oga said:
People with your way of thinking do though. There is actually plenty of stuff out there to show that this man was the victim and was being framed. It's actually far more easier to show why he was innocent than to prove he wasn't.

What you say here is just dumb as hell and i'll tell you why. These defenders as you call them actually come with plentiful credible and valid information, not based on tabloids and all you do is say nonsense like they never cease to amaze you, these defenders.

You might as well not bother to reply at all, let alone enter this thread. It's quite clear to me you don't even want to believe in the possibility that the man actually was framed all the way.

Bullshit website called Radar Online even went as far to tamper with evidence and censor things when there was nothing to censor and people here went apeshit over it. Just one of the ciuntless examples of tabloids that just love to mess with him.
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Bless this post, well said!
 
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Tatsumi Oga

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Straight Edge said:
So those child victims were all lying huh?
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Except that there aren't any child victims. Unless you want to believe the ones that lied for their parents and these great folks were all proven to be liars. Either were disgruntled ex maids or bodyguards, but were proven to be having coming with made up stories and what not.

But do go ahead if you want to believe them. If there had been any others, you can be damn sure the prosecution would have used that.
 
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