Several allegations of child abuse, followed by large out of court settlements, followed by further allegations, accusations that Jackson served alcohol to fairly young children (12, 13, 15), admissions of repeatedly hosting sleepovers, a large collection of both adult pornography and naked photos of men, women, and children that weren't pornographic in nature, a collection of doctored images of naked adults performing sexual acts with children or other creatures doctored onto their heads/bodies collected from rooms or areas where he hosted children's sleepovers.
Jackson settled with his 1993 accuser for $15million, who later killed himself shortly after Jackson's death. A settlement and a former accuser killing himself are absolutely not indications of guilt, though both the 1993 settlement, accusations by others close to Jackson (including La Toya Jackson, that she since rescinded in the 2000s) that he paid other settlements and that she witnessed him abuse children.
Further, in 2013, a former child friend of Jackson accused Jackson of molesting him over a 7-year period. He had previously been a witness for Jackson's defense in 2005, but after having a mental breakdown in 2011 which he says was over grief caused by lying for Jackson and having a child of his own, he claims that Jackson sexually abused him.
Underscoring all of this is Jackson's own admissions of sleeping with children and loving children and several decades of drug addiction. The poster who said that Jackson wasn't an addict, he was drug dependent, is thinking of just Jackson towards the end of his life when a doctor was giving him a strong cocktail of drugs, but in the 1990s, Jackson's wife Marie Presley talked about his growing drug addiction and health concerns.
I feel very bad for Michael Jackson. He was a tormented person, a victim of abuse himself, an immensely talented genius, and somebody who was a victim of the public eye and his own forced success. But, still, there is such a strong body of accusations against Jackson, a string of settlements, and a catalog of alleged victims, along with the large body of simply weird, dangerous, or self-destructive behavior, that many people would consider these "checked boxes" if it were any other person other than arguably the most famous person i the world. It will never be settled, Jackson will never be found guilty. When former adolescent children associates of Jackson come out later in life and accuse him (as they have), they won't have evidence of abuse, only their accusations. Jackson was never proven to sexually abuse children. But he definitively showed a lack of understanding about what the proper role of an adult is around children, this is undeniable, and coupled with other curious habits like collecting explicit adult materials and having them present or near his children's sleepovers, a decades-long drug addiction or drug dependency, and being surrounded by people for most of his life who did not have his best interests in mind, I don't think it's unreasonable to jump to the conclusion that Jackson very well could have abused children sexually.
Long post, but it's the only way to cover the vast flaws in this post.
Why are you reposting the nonsense of serving alcohol to children when I responded to your post about it? Clearly you have no idea about the claims of MJ giving alcohol to children. The family alleging it are not reliable in anyway. The boy's brother in 2005 changed his story about his brother being given alcohol in a soda can on the stand.
The claim also is MJ gave the boy he supposedly molested alcohol around adults, one of which was his Mother. None of these adults ever said a word about it. One of the adults was Chris Tucker.
You're also unaware of the book you refer to about 'a collection of doctored images of naked adults performing sexual acts with children or other creatures doctored onto their heads/bodies collected from rooms or areas where he hosted children's sleepovers'.
First of all there is no evidence that MJ ever even read this book. Nor was it found where children slept over. The book was found in one of the cellars. It was found in a sealed bag which a detective said he had to break the seals on. It seems bizarre to seal a book you own. Even more bizarre to keep a book like that in a cellar if you look at it.
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Once again, incorrect. The accuser in 1993 didn't kill himself, his Father did. So you've based a paragraph around somebody killing themselves who's actually still alive and Latoya's nonsense claims.
When Latoya made those accusations she was under the control of Jack Gordon. A man who physically and mentally abused her. When she was out alone he had men watch her every move. So how did Latoya come out with her claims? Go to police? No. Jack Gordon arranged paid television appearances to spread nonsense.
Latoya claimed her Mother showed her cheques that MJ had written to families. This doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Why would MJ's mother have access to cheques he wrote? Did he think to show her them before handing them over? Let his Mother in on a secret such as this?
Latoya then followed up her claims in an interview saying she had no evidence. Latoya never said she saw him abuse children either.
Where the heck do you get your nonsense from? You haven't read into these cases properly whatsoever.
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Ahh, you mention Wade.
The man who claims he didn't realise rape was wrong until the age of 29.
The man who claims he had no idea the Michael Jackson Estate existed, so didn't know he could file a claim, yet had spoken to them regarding an upcoming MJ project.
The man who had his sister sell MJ memorabilia on eBay.
The man who is holding MJ's companies responsible for his supposed abuse as they all somehow knew, despite his denials, police not knowing and his Mother, who was a pimp going by his tales, being unaware also. The same Mother who is responsible for a relationship with Michael Jackson even happening. Yet he has no issue with his Mother.
The man who claims he was abused during the time MJ was being investigated by police, married to Lisa Marie and also supposedly abusing Jordan Chandler. Yet he's never mentioned the police or Lisa Marie in his court papers as being responsible also. I wonder why?
The man who defended MJ willingly for years and who MJ decided would be a good witness for him. Who puts an adult you've abused on the witness stand? Even more so given he came under strict cross examination which tried to catch him out. Yet he never faltered.
The man who claims he didn't file a claim earlier because he was scared of Michael Jackson. A man who had been dead for four years.
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I am the poster who said he wasn't a drug addict. That's because he wasn't. He was a former drug addict which was brought on by the claims in 1993. He recovered from this. He's a former addict. Or is everybody who recovers from an addiction still an addict to you?
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'Such a strong body of accusations'. This line is absolutely laughable.
1993:
When Jordan Chandler finally 'confessed' to his Father, Evan, what had happened his Father arranged a meeting with Michael Jackson. Up on entering the room rather than punching the man who abuse your child, he hugged Michael Jackson and then laid out his monetary demands.
In the taped phone conversation Jordan's step father recorded between himself and Evan, Evan stated he had no idea if MJ had abused Jordan. He had 'suspicions' yet they were based on no evidence. Infact, Evan's issue with MJ appears, from the phone call, to of been because MJ stopped calling him. Poor Daddy wasn't being called by MJ. Boo hoo.
When Evan was ranting about how he'd destroy Michael Jackson the step father asked if Jordan would be effected and what about him in all of this. Evan's response? 'That's irrelevant'.
Evan cited in the call 'this will be bigger than all of us, 'he will not sell another record' and 'if I go through with this, I win big time'.
The Chandler family never wanted to testify in a criminal trial. They just wanted money. When MJ wanted the criminal trial to come before the civil the family began shitting themselves. Their aim was to keep the civil trial coming before the criminal one. They didn't care for justice.
Jordan was asked in his psychiatric interview what the best day in his life ever was. His response was his Father getting him away from MJ. There's a huge contradiction here. Jordan wanted to go on the Dangerous tour and still be around MJ. He also emancipated from both parents despite saying his Father was responsible for the best day of his life. Also in his psychiatric interview, and his declaration, his story is the same as the one his Father told the step father on the phone a month prior. The acts that were supposed to of taken place were exactly what his Father claimed. Ironically, Jordan's claims came about only when under the control of his Father.
Evan wanted to make a music album about his son's alleged abuse. Who does this?
Ray, the boy's Uncle and Evan's brother, wrote a book about the whole ordeal. Days after the settlement Ray was trying to get his book published. Eventually it was published in 2003. Ray claimed to have damning files on MJ. So for the 2005 trial he was asked to come an testify to reveal these damning files. Except, it wasn't by the prosecution... it was by the defence. Michael Jackson wanted a member of the Chandler family to come and testify. Why would a guilty man want such a thing?
The prosecution did however want Jordan and Evan to testify. The FBI helped find Jordan. During the meeting Jordan stated he'd sue if he was forced to testify. He also, weirdly, stated he'd 'done his bit'. What 'bit' had Jordan done?
Evan refused to testify also. His brother said he was suffering from cancer and wasn't strong enough to come and testify. Yet in August 2005, after the trial had finished in June of that year, Evan plucked up the strength to attempt to kill Jordan with a dumbbell and use mace spray on him.
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Jason.
Jason was interviewed by police for hours. He maintained consistently nothing happened. Was that the end of it? No. Police started lying to him by saying Macaulay Culkin and others were being abused and if he doesn't help MJ will keep abusing children. After this and other methods which detectives shouldn't indulge in, Jason declared he'd been tickled.
In the 2005 trial both Jason and his Mother, Blanca, testified. Both were embarrassing for the prosecution. Jason said 'I don't know' over 35 times to questions. He and his Mother both contradicted one another. His Mother was laughed at on the stand. She admitted to lying in her deposition in 1993. Another claim was she'd seen MJ 'do things with other children', yet then proceeded to let her own son be around him.
A comical moment from Jason's testimony in which he tried to get the court to help him ask a question as the idiot, for some reason, didn't know you can't ask members of the court for help.
10 Q. And how long was his hand there?
11 A. Two cartoons’ worth. A cartoon and a half
12 worth.
13 Q. And you were watching cartoons on television
14 at the time?
15 A. Yeah.
16 Q. How long is a cartoon? It’s been a while
17 since I’ve seen one.
18 A. It’s been a while for me, too.
19 Does anybody here watch cartoons?
20 Q. Tell us the best of your recollection. We
21 can’t let them be witnesses at the moment.
22 A. A “Woody Woodpecker” I guess would last
23 four, five minutes.
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Arvizo's.
During the world in uproar over the Bashir documentary, child services and police investigating, Michael Jackson still hadn't supposedly touched Gavin. This is what many don't know. Abuse was alleged to of occurred after the Bashir documentary.
So, we're meant to believe this innocent man decided 'I'd hate the police investigation to be in vain, I'll touch the boy and make myself guilty'.
The dates of alleged molestation changed three times as Michael Jackson wasn't at Neverland during the first two claimed dates. The case should of ended here.
MJ held the family against their will yet the Mother 'escaped' and managed to spend $3000 at MJ's expense. Her children were still at Neverland whilst she was spending money. Yet she told nobody they were being held against their will.
Five co conspirators supposedly helped MJ hold the family against their will and ultimately aid him in abusing Gavin. Yet all five were unindicted. Despite supposedly breaking the law, only MJ was on trial. Why?
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James.
James came out with his story just as MJ's Xscape CD was releasing in May 2014. Great timing to make your story big isn't it? James also has the same lawyer as Wade. What a coincidence!
James claims numerous flawed things.
He claims MJ slept over at his home regularly in 1988. Bullshit. The Bad tour concerts in 1988 ran from February 1988 - December 1988. In January MJ did a Pepsi advert with James in which they'd of stayed in a hotel, so certainly not at his home. Despite this we're meant to believe MJ slept at his house regularly?
James claims MJ asked his mother if James could sleep in the same bed as him. Three times MJ asked and the Mother said no on each occasion. On the fourth time, rather than questioning why this man was still asking, she said okay. How does this make sense?
Another claim is MJ tried to get him to testify in his 2005 trial. James claims MJ threatened him down the phone, ironically Wade claims this also, to come and testify. James claims MJ said that if James didn't testify he'd report him for perjury from the 1993 trial.
There was no 1993 trial. Also, why would MJ claim to report James for perjury when James denied any abuse in 1993. Reporting James would mean MJ saying he's guilty. It makes no sense.
Add to this in the 2005 trial testimony regarding the supposed grooming of James wasn't allowed. So with no chance of any mention of James being made at the 2005 trial MJ decides to want James to testify and risk him telling the truth? MJ wants to take the risk of him and Wade, two people he supposedly abused, both being on the witness stand?
James further claims that during one of the phone calls he told his Mother and Father about what happened. Guess what they did? Nothing. His Mother SPOKE to MJ on the phone despite James telling her he'd been touched. So two parents decided to not help the prosecution in anyway?
Best of all is James telling MJ on the phone to never contact him again. Then he states in his claim he was 'upset' when MJ died because he'd 'never have a normal relationship with him'. It's just nonsensical!
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The accuser's stories differ wildly. Some allege to of been shown porn yet others not. James claims he was shown child porn yet nobody else was. Wade claims there was no grooming process, unlike the others, and that he was abused from the first night he spent at Neverland. Wade claims he was raped yet nobody else does. The Arvizo's claim they were given alcohol, yet nobody else did.
Edit: I should also add there have been three other accuser's who were found to of lied and been trained by people.
