Dr. Feel Good
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Holy shit this guy needs to lay off Thesaurus.com
But I agree, there's no proof on MJ.
But I agree, there's no proof on MJ.
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The Michael Jackson Rebuttal
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You don't understand, I really like his music.
lightskintwin
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Vital Tundra
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I wanna say Razor has an English degree he takes serious. He is also fluent in Japanese I believe. Not a dumb dude by any means, but I often have to double check what exactly he is talking about sometimes. Ha!
Anyway good video, like the guys content. Crazy how uninformed so many are and how they dog pile on MJ.
He made Thriller, man. Thriller.
I don't know whether Michael is a pedophile or not but I'm generally wary of hero worship. People tend to overlook things when one of their idols is involved. Just look at how Penn State students and alumni reacted when people suspected that Joe Paterno knew about Jerry Sandusky's pedophila and was covering it up. They flew into an outrage but as more information has come out, it only confirms our suspicions that Joe Paterno knew and actively covered for Sandusky.
Also, sex crimes are very difficult to prove. Sadly, there's also a lot of evidence that suggest that ridiculously rich people are able to get away with crimes that other people would go to prison for. That of course does not mean that Michael is guilty but there is some smoke in this case.
Also, sex crimes are very difficult to prove. Sadly, there's also a lot of evidence that suggest that ridiculously rich people are able to get away with crimes that other people would go to prison for. That of course does not mean that Michael is guilty but there is some smoke in this case.
lightskintwin
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You realize your post is exactly the type of post I'm mocking, right?
lightskintwin
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You should've linked that into the response. LOL It's been awhile since I saw that. I don't think the other poster was referencing that at all.
Vincent Alexander
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Yeah. Watching at moment as I get ready for work. I do kind of take back my statement. He just needs to take a chill pill and lay off the "I'm so angry" voice. He might be genuinely pissed but it isn't great for conmunicating information.
stump sock
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I love when jokes are explained!
CrankyKong
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this guys twitter feed is interesting...
Mr Touchdown
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Poor Michael... it's astounding just how badly the media can just flat out lie.
Would you tell a lie for 20 million dollars? Do you know people who would tell lies for millions dollars? Do you think parents, to get what they want, could manipulate their children into telling lies or half truths?
freenudemacusers
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Famous pop stars? 🤔
Yes and what is a famous pop star essentially? A peoples right? Very good. Here's a cookie.
Tatsumi Oga
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And that's the thing. This was the biggest problem for the prosecution back then too. All this 'new' evidence pathetic websites Radar Online was speaking of last week and tampered with was nothing new. Old news made into new news again. And sites like Vanity Fair just parotted it, like a mindless drone.
All of this stuff that made people go "oh disgusting, what a sick man" last week clearly is not something the judge and jury agrees with. All of this stuff were perfectly legal art books, many of which was never proven he ever read those in the first place. The guy bought tons of things, was a big fan of art. The tabloids made it look like it was sick and twisted and a child porn collection. I wonder what the artists of this art think of that. Seen in the right proper context there really isn't anything sick and twisted about the stuff. You may not like the, but that's about it. What is sick and twisted though are these sites going so far to make someone they dont even know look guilty.
Think about it.
Tatsumi Oga
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If one thing has become crystal clear for me after all these years, it's that for some people it will never be good enough. They eithrr just refuse to even believe in the possibility that he was innocent, or they refuse to spend some time actually doing some research or the dumb fucks out there that just like to believe everything they read and see.
The man could have been exonerated a million times, the accuser from the 90s could come forward and admit he lied it all.....hell....even if we could have seen all of MJ's life or at least from the timeline of these accusations in video footage and see for ourselves that nothing ever happened.....there would still be people saying that even though he didn't do this, he probably did other things and was a pedophile nonetheless. All based on nothing.
Oh and the folks saying stuff like "he made thriller man, thriller." And nonsense Comments that "MJ defenders bla bla bla," without taking into account that they actually DO know wtf they are talking about.....can those people kindly fuck off? Because it is quite clear you have nothing to add.
That definitely would be a lot bigger unless there's plentiful evidence that they are lying but 40 compared to a few whom again....have all been proven to be frauds is a huge difference.
But if some people would actually bother to use their brains and read some stuff, watch some stuff they would finally realize that this can never be compared to OJ. Oh and some idiot last week was comparing it to Hitler...no further comment.
The man could have been exonerated a million times, the accuser from the 90s could come forward and admit he lied it all.....hell....even if we could have seen all of MJ's life or at least from the timeline of these accusations in video footage and see for ourselves that nothing ever happened.....there would still be people saying that even though he didn't do this, he probably did other things and was a pedophile nonetheless. All based on nothing.
Oh and the folks saying stuff like "he made thriller man, thriller." And nonsense Comments that "MJ defenders bla bla bla," without taking into account that they actually DO know wtf they are talking about.....can those people kindly fuck off? Because it is quite clear you have nothing to add.
That definitely would be a lot bigger unless there's plentiful evidence that they are lying but 40 compared to a few whom again....have all been proven to be frauds is a huge difference.
But if some people would actually bother to use their brains and read some stuff, watch some stuff they would finally realize that this can never be compared to OJ. Oh and some idiot last week was comparing it to Hitler...no further comment.
stump sock
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Oh and the folks saying stuff like "he made thriller man, thriller." And nonsense Comments that "MJ defenders bla bla bla," without taking into account that they actually DO know wtf they are talking about.....can those people kindly fuck off? Because it is quite clear you have nothing to add.
what's your stake in this? why are you losing your temper about what other people think? a smiley face doesn't make "fuck off" a good response.
The thing is, we don't live in a reality where that's the case. It's been made clear that these allegations were made against him because some idiots saw a chance of making some money.
Thanks to people listening/reading one news article and not looking up for themselves if it's true and not, this man suffered.
efyu_lemonardo
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Once you start to actually listen to what he has to say it stops being an issue, if you ask me.
Tatsumi Oga
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I've said plenty in there that i would consider a good response though. My stake? It's really simple my friend, just goddamn tired of all the misinformation, lies and small minded replies from people. I am of the opinion that the guy already suffered through enough bullshit and he is also not exactly here to defend himself now is he? If it is ever proven that he did commit disgusting crimes like these, of course i won't be defending that. The reality here though if you ask me is that those chances are very very slim.
Hero worship is bad, true, but coming to a conclusion about someone without going through the proper channels to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt is like a failure to understand the scientific
"I'm convinced, he's guilty!" is a meaningless statement.
Edit: wrong word used.
Acerac
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I would imagine not, as it is trying to explain the evidence for him being innocent.
Would be quite a poor video if it proved his guilt.
Bothers me that there are people like Wade Roboson that at first defended Jackson in court, but 8 years later came out against him: http://www.today.com/popculture/wade-robson-pedophile-michael-jackson-abused-me-7-years-1C9948163
The whole child porn thing was always a red herring, and Jackson was never convicted for it, but stuff like the above gives me more pause. Why would you go from defending him in court to coming out about it 8 years later? He claims having his own children opened up his eyes to the abuse. I suppose it's one of those things people will never truly know the truth about.
The whole child porn thing was always a red herring, and Jackson was never convicted for it, but stuff like the above gives me more pause. Why would you go from defending him in court to coming out about it 8 years later? He claims having his own children opened up his eyes to the abuse. I suppose it's one of those things people will never truly know the truth about.
Flying Toaster
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Peter Pan man has questionable past blow up in face while in the grave.
I don't know what he did. But this again proves media runs with things not caring about fact checking.
I don't know what he did. But this again proves media runs with things not caring about fact checking.
Tatsumi Oga
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Fucked up in the head how exactly? If anything this guy had a damn good heart, did tons of great stuff for both people and animals. Fucked up in the head as in how he had a lot of plastic surgery? Fucked up in the head because he was different? There's a lot of signs out there that he actually was a really good person compared to being a piece of shit. Do explain what you mean with being fucked up in the head to the point where he probably did hurt children?
Great response, thanks for adding to the discussion!
lightskintwin
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Money? He was suing the Michael Jackson estate, but his claim was dismissed in court.
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
If he weren't possibly the most famous pop star ever I'd bet there'd be alot fewer people giving him the benefit of the doubt.
freethoughtbubble
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No, it's not. People reach conclusions based on incomplete evidence all the time. In fact, the reverse is damn well the exception to the rule in life, as well as the courtroom. I understand that they never found literal child pornography at Neverland, that there is no video of abuse, and that there is reason to doubt the veracity of some of the accusers.
Still, based on nothing more than circumstantial evidence, I believe he was probably guilty. To be honest, I struggle to understand how so many can be so convinced that he was innocent--or spend so much time and energy trying to prove to others that he was.
Undeniably.
efyu_lemonardo
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Yep and he talks with big words a lot, too.
Honestly though, it's pretty wonderful seeing this metal head with long hair and sunglasses and then hearing such rich English come out of his mouth.
Clockwork5
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That's kinda what I was thinking.
The guys boundaries were already totally fucked up. Sure, there is a logical jump, but is it really that big?
If I found out my niece was having sleepovers with some middle aged dude, I would call the police, in a heartbeat.
stump sock
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if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, not going through the proper channels to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt is like a failure to understand the scientific theory.
lightskintwin
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Being skeptical whether Michael Jackson was innocent of pedophalia is one thing, perpetuating or believing lies, misinformation, and/or half truths in order to make this skepticism a reality is another.
Wade Robson was already famous and made a lot of money with his dancing and choreography with super stars. If anything, coming out against Jackson has hurt his fame/career. So I'm not so sure it was about money.
GreatestHits
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No, despite your imagination, there aren't really any legitimate jumps here. If you don't think Michael was a molester you simply don't want to crucify a high figure in your mind.
This should inspire people to be more accepting and understanding of mentall illness. My guess is Michael was abused at a young age. Either way, he's at peace now.
Tatsumi Oga
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Oh that's quite simple really. Most of them are fans who have been following it all since day one, but certainly not all of them are fans. There are people out there that don't necessarily enjoy his music but simply want to find out for themselves what is what and such.
For the fans, they are of the opinion that the dude has suffered through enough shit in his life already. They are of the opinion that the man had nothing but good intentions and you can see that through his many good deeds, good things he never wanted to brag about and be like "look at me" because as the man said it himself in a interview that it was from the heart. His lyrics are most of the time autobiographical and when he was a youngster he once said he wouldn't sing it if he didn't mean it.
Based on all that, based on footage where we see him with his own children and children in general, based on many stories from people who knew him and family like his own daughter Paris lots of people just truly believe in his innocence, as do i. Based on all that we don't see a person who would destroy a child's life. As MJ said it himself in a interview as well when the 2003 allegations happened...he would slit his wrists before hurting a child.
There really is so much more reason to believe in his innocence than guilt. All accusers whom were proven to be lying their ass off, constantly making up new stories while in the courtroom, having a history of being liars and in general no good doers really. Taped testimony from the father of the 93 accuser and i can go on and on, but i won't. It really is quite clear that even though we know all this....people just want to go "but i still think he did it. Even though this evidence doesnt prove that etc etc." I say....good for you.
I'm sure you do struggle to understand how people can be convinced that he was innocent. You have more evidence of extortion conspiracies than you do actual guilt and you still err on the side of guilt. You don't sound like you made a well reasoned assessment here.
univariate
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He's a child predator. End of story.
Tatsumi Oga
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Laughable comment. Pathetic even.
Like i said before, this guy could have been exonerated by a million people or million times, all the accusers could come forward and admit to all their lies, we could have 24/7 footage of MJ during the timeline of it all and there will always be a few of those that say there's noth8ng else to him other than being a child predator.
Again.....pathetic! Keep on basing your opinion on......
End of story!
Hey look it's a guy who's never read any of the material out there, perhaps including this thread!
lightskintwin
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Do you know how much money he's worth or any debt he's accumulated as a dancer and choreographer? According to Celebrity net worth only a million dollars, while the Jackson Family estate is worth billions.
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