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[The Librarian]

Haha, this is basically how DS9 starts too, but Picard makes Sisko beg to come back (and claims that he forgot to tell Starfleet command during the several days in between)

There was no love between Sisko and Picard. Picard had reservations about Sisko resigning, and basically berated him for not being able to serve in "an ideal environment." Sisko decided to come back on his own after the character development in "Emissary," not through some sort of manipulation of Picard, but it probably did help him to push him along.

 

[sangreal]

There was no love between Sisko and Picard. Picard had reservations about Sisko resigning, and basically berated him for not being able to serve in "an ideal environment." Sisko decided to come back on his own after the character development in "Emissary," not through some sort of manipulation of Picard, but it probably did help him to push him along.

I wasn't really suggesting that Picard manipulated Sisko into returning. My point was really just that Picard consistently treats resignations as no big deal as long as you eventually change your mind. The notion that Picard didn't mention it to Starfleet in the 2+ days between the Enterprise's departure and unexpected return is pretty absurd.

 

[The Librarian]

I wasn't really suggesting that Picard manipulated Sisko into returning. My point was really just that Picard consistently treats resignations as no big deal as long as you eventually change your mind. The notion that Picard didn't mention it to Starfleet in the 2+ days between the Enterprise's departure and unexpected return is pretty absurd.

TV Trope #123584: "I knew you'd be back."

 

[MisterHero]

I remembered most of STVI when it first came out- Generations was the first movie I sat throught completely.

It's kind of awkward when you realize they used the same footage to blow up Chang's and the Duras sisters' respective Bird of Preys (including some interior shots?)

 

[Cheerilee]

The real No. 1 should be in the 2009 movie how Kirk gets promoted to Captain straight from Ensign as a reward for repeatedly breaking the rules. There's no rational reason for this to occur at all, but it does. It also annoyed me that instead of the movie just being a self-contained reboot, a ton of the backstory was essentially offscreen schenanigans.

AFAIK, it's navy tradition that whoever is in command of a ship has the exclusive use of "Captain" or "the Captain" (in addition to their regular titles).

Like at the start of Star Trek II, Admiral Kirk was a guest on an Enterprise commanded by Captain Spock, so Spock could be called either "Captain" or "Captain Spock". But then he gave his command to Kirk, so Admiral Kirk became "the Captain" and could be called "Captain" or "Admiral" or "Admiral Kirk". And it became improper to casually refer to Spock as "Captain" even though he was one.

I haven't seen Star Trek 2009 in a while, but I don't think Captain Pike actually promoted Spock when he left the ship and gave him command. He merely gave Spock non-temporary command, which automatically made him "Captain", and he gave Ensign Kirk the position of first officer, even though there were others with higher rank.

When Ensign Kirk (using his position as first officer) removed Spock and took command, he automatically became "Captain" but I think it would've still been okay for people to call him Ensign or Ensign Kirk.

Official promotions would have been handed out at the awards ceremony at the end of the movie. At which point, yeah, they probably officially jumped Kirk from Ensign to Captain and let him keep Enterprise instead of giving it to another more qualified Captain and giving Kirk something less valuable, which would've been really dumb but that's Hollywood.

Also: Vulcans. Enterprise (the TV show) says the twisted meritocracy they pushed on Humans likes to give things to the people who want them the loudest.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

IIRC, Tom was stuck in sickbay during the Andy Dick episode in season 4. He asked Harry to bail him out by making a new EMH. Harry pulled a record of the Doctor's physical appearance and clicked copy-paste on the computer's medical database, at which point the hologram started reciting textbooks. Then Harry pulled the plug on his feeble attempt and told Tom to screw himself, because Harry doesn't know how to make an EMH and had better things to do than play with Tom in sickbay/prison.

Then in season 5, Harry made the fully-functional medical specialist program. I guess he learned more about it in the time between, and he definitely cared more about his work the second time, and he had the Doctor on hand for reference.

The whole "programming holograms" thing seemed weirdly inconsistent. The holodeck seems to create complex situations and individuals with little prompting all the time; for a temporary EMH why would they need to tell the computer more than "Simulate a doctor" or maybe "Give me a virtual Doctor Crusher"?

 

[Escape Goat]

The whole "programming holograms" thing seemed weirdly inconsistent. The holodeck seems to create complex situations and individuals with little prompting all the time; for a temporary EMH why would they need to tell the computer more than "Simulate a doctor" or maybe "Give me a virtual Doctor Crusher"?

Which is why I find that Data not having emotions really confusing. They program emotions all the time to holograms that adapt and react to new situations all the time.

 

[The Librarian]

AFAIK, it's navy tradition that whoever is in command of a ship has the exclusive use of "Captain" or "the Captain" (in addition to their regular titles).

It's naval tradition to call whomever is in charge "Captain," as was referenced on DS9, but that doesn't extend as far as actual promotion I think.

 

[Reuenthal]

Sisko is better than Picard (debatable but that is my view, despite viewing Sisko above I see them as very near) and one of the very best Star Trek characters. As is Picard.

Agree or disagree? I think Sisko is somewhat underrated.

 

[BigDug13]

Sisko is better than Picard (debatable but that is my view, despite viewing Sisko above I see them as very near) and one of the very best Star Trek characters. As is Picard.

Agree or disagree? I think Sisko is somewhat underrated.

I kinda agree. But the fact that Patrick Stewart embraced the character, his role, and was never afraid to take roles that should be "beneath him". (ie, anything Seth MacFarlane made him do), so I give him props. Avery Brooks on the otherhand had nothing but distain for the entire show and production team.

 

[Reuenthal]

I kinda agree. But the fact that Patrick Stewart embraced the character, his role, and was never afraid to take roles that should be "beneath him". (ie, anything Seth MacFarlane made him do), so I give him props. Avery Brooks on the otherhand had nothing but distain for the entire show and production team.

I didn't know this. Do you have any link that shows how Avery Brook had nothing but distain for the entire show and production team? I mean it does come as rather surprising to me as I did not hear this before. He did take part in various Star Trek documentaries and what I knew about him, did not give me that impression.

 

[Escape Goat]

Avery Brooks seems pretty eccentric so I can see him not playing well with others.

 

[Htown]

Which is why I find that Data not having emotions really confusing. They program emotions all the time to holograms that adapt and react to new situations all the time.

Data's different in that he's not actually Starfleet technology and they barely know how the fuck he works. That's why that guy wants to disassemble him in that courtroom episode.

 

[industrian]

This is exactly what I did while rewatching DS9 last week. Additionally, I skip anything holodeck or time-travel related. That said, I would watch them all the first time through

I ignore every DS9 episode with the holodeck singer.

Or Force of Nature, where the equivalent of blowing up a nuclear reactor to prove how dangerous they are convinces Star Fleet to limit warp drive only to drop it a few episodes later.

Didn't they handwave that just by saying "lol we've modified our warp drives to not damage space" ?

 

[Joel Was Right]

Sisko is better than Picard (debatable but that is my view, despite viewing Sisko above I see them as very near) and one of the very best Star Trek characters. As is Picard.

Agree or disagree? I think Sisko is somewhat underrated.

They are very different so it just depends on your type of a leader. Personally I too prefer Sisko, and Archer and Kirk and Janeway over Picard

 

[aceface]

Avery Brooks seems pretty eccentric so I can see him not playing well with others.

In that one movie where Shatner goes to visit all the captains, Brooks is off the chart crazy. I don't know if he's actually nuts though or was just taking the piss.

 

[Escape Goat]

I ignore every DS9 episode with the holodeck singer.




Didn't they handwave that just by saying "lol we've modified our warp drives to not damage space" ?

They eventually built a new warp drive which is what Voyager used. At least I think thats what I read somewhere. Convenient but not unbelievable.

 

[The Librarian]

I ignore every DS9 episode with the holodeck singer.

Even "It's Only a Paper Moon"?

 

[dalin80]

Iam really in the mood of watching some sci-fi ships blast the ever loving hell out of each other and there just isnt anything out there anymore... :-(

I miss you BSG.

Trek wasnt frequent with the action but it was a nice escape for a while.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Iam really in the mood of watching some sci-fi ships blast the ever loving hell out of each other and there just isnt anything out there anymore... :-(

I miss you BSG.

Trek wasnt frequent with the action but it was a nice escape for a while.

First two seasons of Andromeda are worth watching. So are the first four of Babylon 5. If you're just after starship porn then you could try Stargate Atlantis, although SG1 is a stronger show (but with less space battles in the earlier seasons).

 

[Henchmen21]

Data's different in that he's not actually Starfleet technology and they barely know how the fuck he works. That's why that guy wants to disassemble him in that courtroom episode.

Actually it's different in that Holodeck programs just simulate emotion but can't feel actual emotion (save Moriarty). Data wanted to feel actual emotions. Data can simulate them fine. We see plenty of episodes were he does just that whether it be acting in a play on the holodeck (various Sherlock Holmes stuff or the opening to "The Enemy") or showing forcefulness to a subordinate ("Redemption pt.II)

 

[flyover]

75% of all Voyager episodes have this exchange at some point in the last 20 minutes of the show:

Tuvok: "Their ship is no match for our defenses."

Janeway: "Open a hailing frequency."

Tuvok: "No response. They are firing... Shields are steady at 89%... Shields are down to 21 percent... Shields are down!"

[Bridge explodes...]

Janeway: "Tom, get us out of here!"

Paris: "Helm control is offline."

B'Elanna (over comm): "The warp core's overloading, Captain."

And so on.

Everyone in the quadrant wanted to steal Voyager's technology, even though it was the flimsiest piece of shit in the galaxy.

 

[MC Safety]

AFAIK, it's navy tradition that whoever is in command of a ship has the exclusive use of "Captain" or "the Captain" (in addition to their regular titles).

Like at the start of Star Trek II, Admiral Kirk was a guest on an Enterprise commanded by Captain Spock, so Spock could be called either "Captain" or "Captain Spock". But then he gave his command to Kirk, so Admiral Kirk became "the Captain" and could be called "Captain" or "Admiral" or "Admiral Kirk". And it became improper to casually refer to Spock as "Captain" even though he was one.

I haven't seen Star Trek 2009 in a while, but I don't think Captain Pike actually promoted Spock when he left the ship and gave him command. He merely gave Spock non-temporary command, which automatically made him "Captain", and he gave Ensign Kirk the position of first officer, even though there were others with higher rank.

When Ensign Kirk (using his position as first officer) removed Spock and took command, he automatically became "Captain" but I think it would've still been okay for people to call him Ensign or Ensign Kirk.

Official promotions would have been handed out at the awards ceremony at the end of the movie. At which point, yeah, they probably officially jumped Kirk from Ensign to Captain and let him keep Enterprise instead of giving it to another more qualified Captain and giving Kirk something less valuable, which would've been really dumb but that's Hollywood.

Also: Vulcans. Enterprise (the TV show) says the twisted meritocracy they pushed on Humans likes to give things to the people who want them the loudest.

This is not what people are taking exception to.

You do not get to be captain by picking a fight with the previous captain. Picking a fight with the previous captain gets you thrown in the brig and court-martialed.

 

[The Librarian]

First two seasons of Andromeda are worth watching. So are the first four of Babylon 5. If you're just after starship porn then you could try Stargate Atlantis, although SG1 is a stronger show (but with less space battles in the earlier seasons).

First four seasons of B5 are worth watching but not the fifth? S1 is worth watching but not S5? I mean, the first half of S5 is a bore – up until (character spoilers)

Spoiler

Byron's death

– but then it's as good as S2-S4, or at the very least good on its own terms.

Atlantis is worth watching for Rodney McKay alone, but the last two seasons aren't as good as the first three and the ending is kind of rushed.

 

[Reuenthal]

Farscape is a pretty good science fiction, in space tv show I would also recommend to people.

So, does anyone know anything else? Star Trek, BSG, Babylon 5, Farscape and Stargate (sort of) , after that what is the best, in space science fiction show?

 

[The Librarian]

There's also Firefly...that's all I can think of.

 

[Reuenthal]

There's also Firefly...that's all I can think of.

Yes Firefly, I also have seen it but I forgot it, perhaps because it was shorter than the other shows despite the fact it is one of the best. Well thankfully even if there is no other good show in the space setting there are still things to watch eventually as I actually haven't seen all Star Trek shows or Stargate shows. But I hope there is something else.

 

[Lucky Forward]

Also the characters and the way they were portrayed by the actors. Anything beyond TOS with the exception of some of the TOS movies and JJ's flick is just a sea of boring, like if they sucked the fun and emotion and were left with robots emotionless spouting lines.

No one has ever come close to portraying a Vulcan as well as Nimoy did Spock. Well, maybe Mark Leonard as Sarek. All the other actors (Zachary Quinto included) seemed to think they only had to act stiff and speak in clipped tones with none of the depth and nuance that Nimoy brought to the role.

And, sorry Tuvok, I never really bought the concept of a black Vulcan, Vulcans were pale skinned with dark, straight hair. You might as well have a ginger Vulcan for all the sense it made.

 

[Sapiens]

Would anyone else agree that you really had to be there to enjoy DS9? I mean, watching it from week to week, watching it slowly get better and better. Seeing how well season three played out was also a treat - especially after having to endure the shittyness of Voyager for a season already.

I mean, it was just so great being there from week to week, even with the average/terrible eps.

 

[Sapiens]

No one has ever come close to portraying a Vulcan as well as Nimoy did Spock. Well, maybe Mark Leonard as Sarek. All the other actors (Zachary Quinto included) seemed to think they only had to act stiff and speak in clipped tones with none of the depth and nuance that Nimoy brought to the role.

And, sorry Tuvok, I never really bought the concept of a black Vulcan, Vulcans were pale skinned with dark, straight hair. You might as well have a ginger Vulcan for all the sense it made.

Wow - never thought twice about Tuvok being black...

I just thought the actor was terrible and the character unlikeable.

You're right about Neomy and Leonard - they were hard to top. The thing with Vulcan character, is you kind of need that "half human" side to them to make them relatable, of course.

Pure vulcans are rarely likeable characters.

 

[Davey Cakes]

Would anyone else agree that you really had to be there to enjoy DS9? I mean, watching it from week to week, watching it slowly get better and better. Seeing how well season three played out was also a treat - especially after having to endure the shittyness of Voyager for a season already.

I mean, it was just so great being there from week to week, even with the average/terrible eps.

I wouldn't agree. I never watched a whole episode of DS9 before last year. But last year I watched the entire series in a short span of time and loved the hell out of it. I enjoyed every season (even though the first and second ones get a lot of flack) and a lot of the "bad" episodes people bring up on this board were still entertaining to me.

It's honestly one of my favorite series of all time now. And I actually hold it above TNG in many ways. Then again, I did my full TNG watch after my DS9 one (but had more exposure to TNG than any other Trek show while I was growing up).

 

[The Librarian]

I watched DS9 when the show was out on DVD.

 

[Kai Dracon]

Actually it's different in that Holodeck programs just simulate emotion but can't feel actual emotion (save Moriarty). Data wanted to feel actual emotions. Data can simulate them fine. We see plenty of episodes were he does just that whether it be acting in a play on the holodeck (various Sherlock Holmes stuff or the opening to "The Enemy") or showing forcefulness to a subordinate ("Redemption pt.II)

Even more, normal holodeck characters are strictly scripts - they're no different than modern AI scripts for video game characters except far more complex run by literally FTL computers. So they can trick the holodeck user into believing that they actually think, are self aware, and have emotions.

The EMH programs meanwhile, have a much tougher task. They've got to run up against the limits of true AI and self awareness in order to adapt to unexpected situations, and worse, be able to make ethical calls and moral judgement - such as in emergency triage scenarios. They must create original solutions to problems with no upper limit on their range of choices. Unlike a preset holodeck fictional character that acts out a story and merely customizes dialog to the actions of the player.

Data, meanwhile, is an actual piece of hardware that creates consciousness - not a software script running in a standard Starfleet computer system. That's why there was even a debate over whether he is truly self aware... they don't know how his positronic brain works, and don't know how to measure what "consciousness" is in its context.

So, if we presume Data has an actual sense of "I" inside his head, then yeah, the subjective qualia of experiencing emotions is what he wanted. When he pretended to have emotions, he was merely acting like a holodeck character and faking it. But he didn't feel anything inside.

 

[Reuenthal]

What are your favorite holodeck episodes?

Three come to mind:

James Bond Bashir
Sherlock Holmes Data
The other Moriarty episode.

 

[The Librarian]

What are your favorite holodeck episodes?

Two come to mind:

James Bond Bashir
Sherlock Holmes Data

"It's Only a Paper Moon."

 

[Reuenthal]

"It's Only a Paper Moon."

Yeah that too is a good one. Although I enjoyed the above episodes I mentioned more. Good somewhat lighthearted adventures that escape the usual setting and put the characters in interesting and new roles.

 

[Htown]

No one has ever come close to portraying a Vulcan as well as Nimoy did Spock. Well, maybe Mark Leonard as Sarek. All the other actors (Zachary Quinto included) seemed to think they only had to act stiff and speak in clipped tones with none of the depth and nuance that Nimoy brought to the role.

And, sorry Tuvok, I never really bought the concept of a black Vulcan, Vulcans were pale skinned with dark, straight hair. You might as well have a ginger Vulcan for all the sense it made.

Just like all humans have the same coloring, right?

Why would you assume that humans can have a wide range of skin colors and Vulcans cannot?

 

[GungHo]

8. Quark’s breasts.

Would have been a great title card.

4. Lieutenant Tom Paris turns into a salamander and fucks Captain Janeway

This would be my #1. Not only because it's weird. Not only because the science is specious (there was also one episode of TNG where people "devolved" into man-spiders and neandertals and it's not on this list). But, they abandoned their kids on that planet. WTF janeway? She has the motherly instinct of a spider.

I actually like the tone of "the racist episode."

It's also not their only racist-ish episode. Chakotay and the Space Injuns were walking the line.

What are your favorite holodeck episodes?

The one where Barclay's weird sex fantasies are outed to his coworkers.


Mama's list is missing Sub Rosa. The only good part of that episode is Picard's reaction to Crusher's O-face after she plays with the spectral hitachi magic wand. Everything else about it was complete crap, including the concept of Space Scotland.

 

[SpoonyBard]

It's also not their only racist-ish episode. Chakotay and the Space Injuns were walking the line.

I don't think those episodes are racist. They are stupid, but that doesn't necessarily make them very racist. Even if they were, The City on the Edge of Forever should be above them on the list:

Capt. Kirk: You're a police officer. I recognize the traditional accoutrements.
Spock: [in regards to his own appearance] You were saying you'll have no trouble explaining it.
Capt. Kirk: [on the spot to explain Spock's alien features] My friend... is obviously Chinese. I see you've noticed the ears. They're... actually easy to explain...
Spock: Perhaps the unfortunate accident I had as a child...
Capt. Kirk: ...the unfortunate accident he had as a child. He caught his head in a mechanical... rice picker... but, fortunately, there was an American missionary living close by who was actually a, uh, skilled, uh, plastic surgeon in civilian life...

 

[Htown]

I don't think those episodes are racist. They are stupid, but that doesn't necessarily make them very racist. Even if they were, The City on the Edge of Forever should be above them on the list:

Capt. Kirk: You're a police officer. I recognize the traditional accoutrements.
Spock: [in regards to his own appearance] You were saying you'll have no trouble explaining it.
Capt. Kirk: [on the spot to explain Spock's alien features] My friend... is obviously Chinese. I see you've noticed the ears. They're... actually easy to explain...
Spock: Perhaps the unfortunate accident I had as a child...
Capt. Kirk: ...the unfortunate accident he had as a child. He caught his head in a mechanical... rice picker... but, fortunately, there was an American missionary living close by who was actually a, uh, skilled, uh, plastic surgeon in civilian life...

Huh. I never really thought of Kirk and Spock as racist in that instance. More like they were taking advantage of the ignorance of the cops.

 

[SpoonyBard]

Huh. I never really thought of Kirk and Spock as racist in that instance. More like they were taking advantage of the ignorance of the cops.

Well, using racistic remark as a tool to get out of a situation is still a bit racist. I wasn't claiming Kirk as a character was a racist. Unlike McCoy, who seems to have some serious issues about Vulcans...

 

[Lucky Forward]

Just like all humans have the same coloring, right?

Why would you assume that humans can have a wide range of skin colors and Vulcans cannot?

I hope you're not trying to turn my remark into some kind of racist comment. I'm just talking about how they changed the familiar conventions of the show that carried through TOS, TNG and DS9. (Honestly, if I missed a black Vulcan in there somewhere, someone correct me.) All the alien races of Star Trek were generally presented as simple archetypes--the warlike Klingons, the emotionless, logical Vulcans, the inscrutable Romulans, the avaricious Ferengi. In the same way, they were all of a similar physical type. Vulcans were adapted to their hot, dry planet, so I don't see multi-colored racial types evolving there. It would make as much sense as a black Andorian.

I am well aware of Star Trek's forward-thinking on matters of race, going back all the way to Dr. Martin Luther King urging Nichelle Nichols to stay with the show when she was frustrated with her role, because having a black woman as an officer on the bridge was such a postive role model for its time.

In the end, I'm just talkin' Star Trek.

 

[DrForester]

And, sorry Tuvok, I never really bought the concept of a black Vulcan, Vulcans were pale skinned with dark, straight hair. You might as well have a ginger Vulcan for all the sense it made.

Tim Russ is a trekkie and has the answer.

When asked for the Styar Trek magazine years ago, “When in Star Trek history did we learn that Vulcans were of different races?”

“I don’t think it has been introduced before,” he replied. “However, I imagine fans are very much on the ball in terms of the practical and scientific principles upon which the show is based. So instead of the history of Star Trek, let’s talk about the natural science of the Vulcan planet.”



“Vulcan has what – two suns? Very toasty on that planet. I would imagine that Vulcan’s central latitudes, a son this planet, are very, very hot. And as on this planet, nature would give those Vulcans inhabiting that part of the planet added protection – darker skin, to protect them from the Sun. So maybe we didn’t know it,” he says, “but it is what we would logically expect given the physical characteristics of the Vulcan system.”

 

[Cheerilee]

I kinda agree. But the fact that Patrick Stewart embraced the character, his role, and was never afraid to take roles that should be "beneath him". (ie, anything Seth MacFarlane made him do), so I give him props. Avery Brooks on the otherhand had nothing but distain for the entire show and production team.

Patrick Stewart is also largely responsible for all the TNG movies being crappy, because the writers were told that Patrick was the most important part of a TNG movie, and Patrick won't agree to come back and do a TNG movie unless the script gives him everything he wants. And he didn't want to be a philosopher, he wanted to be an action hero.

Brent Spiner too. The first-draft writer of Insurrection was an important TNG writer who they were lucky enough to get back, but Brent never heard of him and told him "I don't think you know how to write my character".

This is not what people are taking exception to.

You do not get to be captain by picking a fight with the previous captain. Picking a fight with the previous captain gets you thrown in the brig and court-martialed.

Well part of it has to do with Spock being the previous Captain. Spock could've removed Kirk as first officer at any time, but he didn't. And then Kirk provoked Spock, got the crap kicked out of himself, and then he went all trollface and said "I thought you didn't get angry?" Spock removed himself, because realized that he was freaking out (by his Vulcan standards) and he needed to go lie down.

Just like all humans have the same coloring, right?

Why would you assume that humans can have a wide range of skin colors and Vulcans cannot?

Vulcans live in the desert and can walk in the sun for days without water and have inner eyelids so they don't go blind. It's hard to picture there being a harsher part of Vulcan where melanin makes a difference or that it wasn't needed on the rest of Vulcan. It didn't make sense to me. But then I stopped caring because I think Tuvok is easily an above-average Voyager character, and I like him.

It also occurred to me that he might not be black because of melanin, but maybe something else. He could be from a mild part of Vulcan.

 

[Walshicus]

Well, using racistic remark as a tool to get out of a situation is still a bit racist. I wasn't claiming Kirk as a character was a racist. Unlike McCoy, who seems to have some serious issues about Vulcans...

McCoy has issues with Vulcan *culture*, not just Vulcans. His character was designed to be dominated by his emotions - compassion; Vulcan culture is antithetical to that.

 

[DrForester]

I liked Tuvok and thought Russ did a fine job as the Spock Clone. Like the rest of the cast, the problem was the writing. They never wanted Tuvok to be anything but a Spock clone, which is unfortunate.

 

[MisterHero]

Tuvok aged really well over like 70 or 80 years

he looked the same age when he was on Excelsior

and he had a human twin on Enterprise-B

 

[PBalfredo]

75% of all Voyager episodes have this exchange at some point in the last 20 minutes of the show:

Tuvok: "Their ship is no match for our defenses."

Janeway: "Open a hailing frequency."

Tuvok: "No response. They are firing... Shields are steady at 89%... Shields are down to 21 percent... Shields are down!"

[Bridge explodes...]

Janeway: "Tom, get us out of here!"

Paris: "Helm control is offline."

B'Elanna (over comm): "The warp core's overloading, Captain."

And so on.

Everyone in the quadrant wanted to steal Voyager's technology, even though it was the flimsiest piece of shit in the galaxy.

This reminds me, is there any reason why all the consoles on Federation ships explode violently in the face of their users whenever the ship gets hit? This always bugged the hell out of me, even when I was young. And I'm pretty sure more than a few times the consoles exploded even before the shields were down.

 

[DrForester]

75% of all Voyager episodes have this exchange at some point in the last 20 minutes of the show:

Tuvok: "Their ship is no match for our defenses."

Janeway: "Open a hailing frequency."

Tuvok: "No response. They are firing... Shields are steady at 89%... Shields are down to 21 percent... Shields are down!"

[Bridge explodes...]

Janeway: "Tom, get us out of here!"

Paris: "Helm control is offline."

B'Elanna (over comm): "The warp core's overloading, Captain."

And so on.

Everyone in the quadrant wanted to steal Voyager's technology, even though it was the flimsiest piece of shit in the galaxy.

Lets give the voyager crew some credit. They're the only crew that was able to keep the Warp Core ejection system working.

 

[Ripclawe]

First two seasons of Andromeda are worth watching.

Kevin Sorbo should be put on trial for what he did to that show in later seasons