The murder of Iryna Zarutska
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AJUMP23
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Some one just tried to Murder Charlie kirk, he was shot in the neck. I think he has been murdered.
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'Shots fired' at Charlie Kirk event at Utah Valley University
Well-known American right-wing political activist, author, and media personality Charlie Kirk, 31, has been shot at a Utah Valley University event.
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LordCBH
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Look, I'm a fan of work camps for the violent. Always have been. Locked up for the rest of your days? You're going to be productive about it at least.
StreetsofBeige
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IMO, modern day is a great equalizer.
The internet should be able to solve a lot of issues. Without the net, who or what did people rely on for school and job advice? Knowledge? How to write a resume, dress and answer interviewer questions? etc...
You had to know someone or had to slog it at the library reading books, or have money to buy books for that topic.
A lot of that shit is now online for free. Search it, learn it, use it. There's people self teaching themselves how to code after dinner without sitting in a Comp Sci class. I'm no handy guy. I used a YT video to help me fix a stacked washer/dryer whose dial didnt work. There was another issue too I forget but I had to disassemble the front panel with my shitty tool set. Had to watch the video to take it apart and yup, he's right. The dial has a D-shaped inner and it cracked. So I went to Home Depot and got a similar one.
Even for something pretty stupid sounding like long time ago I had to wear a suit to a wedding. The net is now around. I didnt ask my dad or siblings. What do they know? They dress like slobs. Let me see what the net says. I did an internet check about what suits are in style, cuff links, 2/3/4 button styles, even the jist of how to best use a fucking tie clip (clip size and horizontal and vertical placement). Before that, anytime I wore a suit as a kid I didnt know what I was doing except wearing whatever thing my parents gave me. But now I'm older and I'll search my own info and learn from online sites.
How or why down and out people cant surf the net to better themselves in knowledge, or at minimum just surf on your PC or phone for fun to kill time, instead of going wacko on the streets is a mystery.
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DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Over-incarceration in America is a myth. If anything, we need more people in prison, not fewer. The plurality of people locked up in America are in for violent offenses. Many of them repeat offenders. Crime is complex in a lot of ways, but in one way it's very simple: most people are not criminals. The small % of people who are ruin our communities for everyone. The more we put away, the safer our communities will be.
That said, I have no idea why this guy was out on the streets and why the decisions were made regarding him. America is not soft on crime. It's not the toughest country on crime either, but it isn't soft on crime. Canada, a lot of Western European countries are far more forgiving. So I think two things can be true: that we have a lot of people on the streets for a variety of reasons(some bad decisions by the courts and some for other reasons) who should be locked up. And I think we generally do a good job in most states of finding a balance between punishing are worst criminals harshly and allowing others to get second chances. But it isn't perfect, and there are people out and about who should not be.
And when it comes to mental health care for violent people, that's a problem I don't think will be solved any time soon. Mental illness is so complicated from so many angles. But at the end of the day if you are a danger to society then you are. The cause or reason doesn't really matter at some point. We can't have dangerous people walking among us.
That said, I have no idea why this guy was out on the streets and why the decisions were made regarding him. America is not soft on crime. It's not the toughest country on crime either, but it isn't soft on crime. Canada, a lot of Western European countries are far more forgiving. So I think two things can be true: that we have a lot of people on the streets for a variety of reasons(some bad decisions by the courts and some for other reasons) who should be locked up. And I think we generally do a good job in most states of finding a balance between punishing are worst criminals harshly and allowing others to get second chances. But it isn't perfect, and there are people out and about who should not be.
And when it comes to mental health care for violent people, that's a problem I don't think will be solved any time soon. Mental illness is so complicated from so many angles. But at the end of the day if you are a danger to society then you are. The cause or reason doesn't really matter at some point. We can't have dangerous people walking among us.
MatrixReloaded101
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Some one just tried to Murder Charlie kirk, he was shot in the neck. I think he has been murdered.
'Shots fired' at Charlie Kirk event at Utah Valley University
Well-known American right-wing political activist, author, and media personality Charlie Kirk, 31, has been shot at a Utah Valley University event.
Yup, think a white guy did it and just last week a white man dressed up as a women shot up a church with kids ... this isn't about race we got a lot of crazy people in all groups unfortunately.
The race stuff has to come to an end and we need to just focus on solving the root issue.... MONEY!
Money is the main root of why "most" crime happens, that is the root issue the 1% does not want to address. A society of people that has safely nets, good healthcare and economic opportunity isn't going to commit most crimes and that is a fact.
SuperC
Member
Yep
He said it twice "i got the white girl" then claimed that she called him a nigger
He was aware of everything
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If he's schizophrenic, then he could have heard auditory hallucinations. No before you flip out, I am not condoning this in any fashion. But I do want you to do an experiment.
Get two of your friends together. Ask one of them for directions somewhere and talk for one minute. Have your other friend whisper behind you, just loud enough to hear, random condescending phrases. After a minute repeat the directions back.
Again, I am not condoning any of this madness but mental illness, especially schizophrenia, is not something someone ewants willing. Why was he on the street? Good question. Was he off his meds? Good question. Who was tracking his behavior? Good question.
Denton
Banned
Murder of European girl by african.
Which happens on daily basis in Europe as well since the gates were open. Couple weeks ago another Ukrainian refugee was thrown under a train in Germany by one such person, for example.
To me, this is all related.
NickFire
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Hard for me to believe she wouldn't have had a chance if someone helped her faster. Obviously I can't say she would have survived. But what I can say is the media is reporting a victim of terrorism whose neck was shot and began bleeding at a horrifying rate today might pull through. So that makes me think a faster response MIGHT have made a difference for this poor woman.
Reizo Ryuu
Gold Member
Your other disgusting post was already deleted by the mods, it's clear what position you hold.
In any case your immigration bullshit is off-topic, go rant in the UK thread if you want to do that instead of here.
GymWolf
Gold Member
My bad.
Raja had a knife? Not sure why you're even trying to connect these two cases.
Havoc2049
Member
Statistics include specified information and can be used to reinforce bias. They are not themselves biased, but the inclusion or exclusion of details and the way statistics are collected absotutely can be.
I'll give you a perfect example:
Would someone be justified in viewing every white kid they see at a school as a mass shooter because of this? Of course not..but someone with an anti white bias absolutely will use this as justification. It covers a small portion of context of the situation, not the full picture.
Many such cases.
You keep saying "there is an issue" yeah, and the issue is this girl got murdered. So many "reactions" I've seen to this are about anything but that but how this guy represents a large populace somehow.
I've already posted out several factors that contributed to these events happening and I could go on all day doing so. And crossing the streamer from eveey black person in a hoodie(not my words, an actual official on Twitter said this) is not going to solve that problem. Its going to show division and hate and that only leads to more crime down the line. Statistics support that too.
Your numbers don't match up. If you haven't figured it out yet, statistics can be manipulated and people pushing a political agenda will blatantly lie to you, as they have no shame in their game.
Jinzo Prime
Gold Member
So why are Europeans with their free health care and extensive safety nets still having problems with violent, rapist Middle Eastern/North African immigrants?
Let me tell you: it's because certian groups of people have a culture that accepts and lionizes violence. As long as that culture is apart of them, they will always be violent, because they are taught that it is the right way to be. No amount of money will fix that, only time, education, and a willingness to change will.
wtf what a bunch of pussies
same I'm all for gay rights trans rights as long as it doesn't affect kids or or has to do with non-binary bulshit.
as for the rest of it i do not give a shit.
this is the power of dei.
TransTrender
Gold Member
The Democrat party and their agents like judges, district attorneys, police chiefs, city councils, school boards, mayors, governors, media, etc are pure evil and mentally ill pushing an agenda that's wholly incompatible with society and destructive to everyone's way of life. Their policies are entirely incomprehensible to anyone with critical thoughts or an inner monologue.
Embearded
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And not just to learn to do something but to search for a way to improve your life by moving out of bad neighborhoods and ghettos.
Just leave, search for a place online and leave.
SJRB
Gold Member
The shot of her crying from the sheer shock and terror while bleeding out all alone in a chair of fucking dirty train with five "people" around her and no one lifting a finger to help her wil haunt me for the rest of my life.
It's the most insane, most inhuman thing I have ever seen in my entire life and it evokes emotions I have never ever felt watching anything on the internet before.
Chuck Berry
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Banjo64
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There's a longer piece of work to be done, however in the immediate future the ideal starting point would be to fast track this dog's trial, and to then hang him publically in the centre of Charlotte.
The soft touch approach which has ended lives and ruined families has to go.
Unknown Soldier
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Wimbledon
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Saw this yesterday and donated.
But it's insane 14 priors a schizophrenic clearly mentally ill, has attacked a women in 2022, was in prison , burglary, armed robbery. He shouldn't have been out on the streets.
That being said this is exactly why i try to avoid public transport like the metro, or busses or being in cities in general. I put my back to the middle seat area on metros just so i have a clear view of everyone just in case.
had someone follow close behind didn't even notice them got in my car and they just acted they crossed right by. Had a lady tap me on my should while i was at a gas station (terrible situational awareness) just speaking gibberish didn't understand a word she was saying.
Especially in DC you'd be surprised what you see in the early morning. I saw a dude screaming into a glass of this gym i was in. Clearly not in his right mind, and i get it people mind their own business and i do the same, but the mental health of some of these individuals they should not be left alone on the streets.
But it's insane 14 priors a schizophrenic clearly mentally ill, has attacked a women in 2022, was in prison , burglary, armed robbery. He shouldn't have been out on the streets.
That being said this is exactly why i try to avoid public transport like the metro, or busses or being in cities in general. I put my back to the middle seat area on metros just so i have a clear view of everyone just in case.
had someone follow close behind didn't even notice them got in my car and they just acted they crossed right by. Had a lady tap me on my should while i was at a gas station (terrible situational awareness) just speaking gibberish didn't understand a word she was saying.
Especially in DC you'd be surprised what you see in the early morning. I saw a dude screaming into a glass of this gym i was in. Clearly not in his right mind, and i get it people mind their own business and i do the same, but the mental health of some of these individuals they should not be left alone on the streets.
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YCoCg
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Nah bro this is getting beyond dumb now,
ResilientBanana
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Better question, is he worth keeping in society at all?
hououinkyouma00
Member
No, he deserves the death penalty. Something we don't use enough IMO as we shouldn't be paying to keep pieces of shit in prison for their entire lives.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Thats the great thing where I live. I live in the burbs. The only weird shit you see is the occasional random bum begging for change off a highway ramp or at a strip mall (always outside of a grocery store). Thats it. I can go months sometimes not seeing one deadbeat or druggie. And I've never seen any random roaming weirdos in my immediate neighbourhood. Every person walking or biking are chill people and their kids.
When I lived on my own for the first time in a condo uptown (near a subway station), or lived at home and went to university downtown taking an hours worth of bus transfers and subway ride that's when you'd see DAILY dirtbags. Downtown, in the subway station, in the subway car, at the bus station bench, you name it. If there's one thing about crackpots, there sure do understand the concept of public transit, bus stops and subway stations. And they almost all congregate downtown.
For those of you who have never taken a subway before because your city doesnt have one, including never bothering taking one if you visited a bigger city trust me. If you think taking the subway is the same as taking public transit busses, it is totally different.
Busses can be crowded and rickety with bad suspension and rattling windows, but for most part ok. It's one vehicle and everyone passes the driver to pay and get in. If something stupid happens, the driver can stop the bus and check out whats going on.
In a subway, it's underground, probably 10 cars of packed people, a driver who doesnt see or care whats going on since he's at the front car and due to this you get all the creeps, wanderers, guys begging for change, passed out druggies and drunks riding the subway all day, you name it.
The worst subway I ever took was Chicago 20+ years ago. I dont know if they still do it, but I visited it with buddies and we took the subway to get to an area of pubs at night. Every other car had a guard and huge muzzled german shepherd patrolling. They'd literally just stand there for 20 minutes watching the whole time. The dogs were actually chill and just sat there beside their master waiting.
Imagine taking a subway and you got cops and attack dogs keeping watch just to catch a subway ride at night. Crazy shit.
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Unknown Soldier
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JFC Charlie Kirk was just assassinated
Wimbledon
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I live in the suburbs too, my job is in VA but i try to avoid DC like the plague ANY major city for that matter. DC has an entire park full of Homeless, you can't walk a block without someone sitting behind the door waiting for someone. Even in the outskirts of DC. Cause i've seen scammers, women who've walked up propositioning sex for money, guys having signs of a supposed a dead child of theirs who they need funeral money for but they been showing that sign for 6 months now, guy who lied about being a priest , human feces etc.
Like this story is tragic, fucking heart breaking cause this situation is why i don't like CITIES or metros period. But i also think this is symptom of an even bigger issue in regards to the homeless epidemic and mental health in general.
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Tiago Rodrigues
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What is this post...
kpopSuperstar
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What happened? when is the last time you remember a racist black guy being framed as a racist in all the top newspapers?
kpopSuperstar
Member
I don't know what the buffalo ny shooting is, there are shootings non-stop in america, what happened? I can't remember one shooting where the media highlighted the problem of black racists.
Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
Sad that she died.
Very shocking and disgusting.
Weird how there wasn't much coverage on MSM.
Hate the race war it seems to have started.
Alex Garlands Civil War will be a true story soon enough, if AI doesn't wipe us all out first.
Very shocking and disgusting.
Weird how there wasn't much coverage on MSM.
Hate the race war it seems to have started.
Alex Garlands Civil War will be a true story soon enough, if AI doesn't wipe us all out first.
Again it goes back to the question, about medication and viability.
So there is a huge difference between normal functioning and mental illness. He never should have been realeased. PERIOD. This places the fault directly at the feet of those who released him. If he
Mental illness is a complex matter as someone mentioned above. Schizophrenia, has varying degrees, and, when off your meds can cause you to spiral way out of control. You can call him a POS, or any other name in the book, but this is definitely the result of failures within the system on so many levels. I am wondering who was the dumbass that released him to the public when he was most certainly a danger to others and himself.
Oh and so you know, I am right leaning, politically speaking. I believe in people being held accountable for their actions but I am also in the follow the failure trail. If you told me, this guy was of sound mind, death penalty. I would look for a wrongful death suit placed on the judge who released him because if he was where he was supposed to be (a psychiatric facility it sounds like to me) this murder never would have taken place.
It's easy to look at the immediate and scope at him with pitch forks but guess what? Stuff like this will happen over and over until you do a root cause analysis and say wait a minute, why is Judge Dipshit releasing these people?
Bojji
Gold Member
I found it too (a bit censored). It was like 20 seconds between attack and her death (she lost consciousness but I doubt she lived long after that).
Nobody could save her life, but at the same time there was NO reaction, zero...
Gexxy1
Member
Decarlos Brown full arrest report:
2007 - 2014 (teenage-young adult)
Arrested 6 times, including for:
Grand Larceny
Armed Robbery
Communicating threats
Most charges were dismissed (!)
2014: Armed Robbery- served 5 years
2021: Assaulted his sister, damaged personal property (front door)
2022: Domestic disturbance (causing a disturbance for tenants)
2025: misuse of 911 system
In total I'm counting around 6 or so years of total time in jail for all of these. Like wtf?
2007 - 2014 (teenage-young adult)
Arrested 6 times, including for:
Grand Larceny
Armed Robbery
Communicating threats
Most charges were dismissed (!)
2014: Armed Robbery- served 5 years
2021: Assaulted his sister, damaged personal property (front door)
2022: Domestic disturbance (causing a disturbance for tenants)
2025: misuse of 911 system
In total I'm counting around 6 or so years of total time in jail for all of these. Like wtf?
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ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
A guy livestreamed himself fatally shooting 10 random blacks in a Buffalo super market. He had a manifesto where he explained his motives were entirely based in racial grievances, and how his exploration of 4chan formalized this.
Mr1999
Gold Member
This is the jungle we live in today, people being stabbed in the street and chaos everywhere with this new shooting. When people lose their values society becomes like animals in the jungle. I agree that we have a very serious mental health problem in this country. I think I realized it back when I was in California when I stopped by a Dollar Tree store early in the morning where most people would be working, and I swear, more than half the people there clearly had mental issues. They would just come up to you and start speaking total nonsense. I can almost guarantee you, if you offered some of these people the chance to live in a community inside a hospital, where they are cared for and safe, they would choose it. Society cannot ignore this, if we have to pay taxes to make it happen we need to do it, simply the price of having a safe and civilized society.
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ResilientBanana
Member
I agree and disagree. This is the type of person that becomes homeless. Then what?
i agree with this more.
graywolf323
Gold Member
the mainstream media reactions have been some of the worst cases of "Republicans pounce!" headlines I've ever seen
Beretta
Gold Member
Yeah subways really are so much different than buses. Safety is pretty non existent on most. It's been a while but I think there was a button to press for an emergency….yeah wtf is the driver going to do from half a mile away….i don't know if I would ever go on one again unless i absolutely had to but they're best avoided. Fucking wacked out people on them. They never had cops or anything though, you'd just have to fend for yourself.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Ya. Subways should have the emergency strip. You press it and the subway stops. I dont know if the subway automatically stops or the driver sees an alert and still has to manually stop, but thats what the emergency button or strip should do. And ya, youre fucked if there is a crisis. It's not like you can just run out the door like a bus. Youre stuck. And subway issues always have the chance of a guy pushing someone onto the tracks as the subway zips in fast and brakes at the end with passengers waiting along a a long platform. A creep cant do that to someone at a bus stop because everyone is waiting at the beginning of the bus, so it's slowing down hard already and cruises into a slow stop at the bus stop.
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kpopSuperstar
Member
But that's not what we were talking about, white racists are shown as such, but why aren't black racists? why aren't CNN talking about this as a racist attack and why aren't anti-racist groups adressing it? It makes little sense.
Embearded
Member
Left one is an icon of alpha female.
Something a wig wearing mentally unstable dude will never get to be.
Right one is a victim of law misfire for political reasons. The DEI hirings in government positions and a shame in the current state of cultural wars for the most online vocal of the 2 sides.
I already debunked this. First of all i was talking about mass shootings as are the statistics cited. They happen all the time. At a rate of almost 2 a day. Thats plenty.
Probabilities by ethnic background is an incomplete study of the causes of crime and shootings. Which is my entire point.
What are the apples being compared to? How about this one:
Yet another objective statistic. Yet, if a woman came on here and said "im afraid to be in a room with men" would that be reasonable or would she be letting statistics color her bias? You can't even use the "proportional" thing with this one. Its still a bias. Even when it's backed by statistics..
"Afraid to be alone in a room with men" is a misinterpretation of the statistics. It really should be "afraid to be alone in a room with that creepy pervy uncle who is always touching me" because you can easily and quickly filter out the vast majority of men and focus on the relative few who ARE a possible threat.
Then the question becomes, WHY do we let this small, but disproportionately offending group, persist within our society? It's not like 80% of men will eventually commit 1 rape, its more like 2-5% of men will commit ~80% of ALL rapes, so if you could just remove that 2-5% then rapes would drop dramatically and the rest of men would be fine (there is no "rapist vacuum" they would expand to fill).
diffusionx
Gold Member
No, you can hard on crime, it's worked before, and in many places, it was triggered by locals in the communities who demanded harder policing in response to the chaos they were living with in their daily lives. All the stuff you talk about doesn't work, actually. It just becomes a grift for left-wing activists. The fact is, a lot of criminals - and criminals are a small number of the population, even amongst high-crime cohorts - do it because that's what they want to do. Giving them more stuff won't help them. They just need to be isolated and kept away from the people they harm (who, again, are often people in their own communities).
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