Toons
Member
Lmao.
There have been 309 mass shootings recorded this year in the U.S.
We aren't even 300 days into the year.
Mass shootings happen on a daily basis too. Those statistics aren't biased. But they can be used to reinforce bias.
The murder of Iryna Zarutska
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Lmao.
There have been 309 mass shootings recorded this year in the U.S.
We aren't even 300 days into the year.
Mass shootings happen on a daily basis too. Those statistics aren't biased. But they can be used to reinforce bias.
Toons
Member
This is a good point.
These same individuals have no problem attacking the white people who they disagree with on a mass scale. If it was a white transgender person, or one of the "blue hairs," or one of those "unmarried cat ladies" the vice president was attacking they'd be saying she deserved it or must have done something. Heck, if this girl had an onlyfans and nothing else changed they'd be saying she deserved it.
These folks are used to callous, vile side eyeing of murder victims. I don't buy their sympathies for a second.
kpopSuperstar
Member
Nah, can you imagne if this was the opposite? a black person getting killed like this? every newspaper would have it as their main story and you would have movies made of it. CNN barely covers this, but if it was opposite, it would be their entire front page.
Racist crusty black people need to be held to the fire just like as racist crusty white people. Right now, they are not, that's where the frustration comes from.
Bojji
Gold Member
302 people have been killed in mass shootings.
Every year there are ~20.000 people murdered, compare those numbers
I thought that mass shooting required far more victims in definition but I was wrong.
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StreetsofBeige
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Of course people wouldnt fear white kids in school. Why would they?Statistics include specified information and can be used to reinforce bias. They are not themselves biased, but the inclusion or exclusion of details and the way statistics are collected absotutely can be.
I'll give you a perfect example:
Would someone be justified in viewing every white kid they see at a school as a mass shooter because of this? Of course not..but someone with an anti white bias absolutely will use this as justification. It covers a small portion of context of the situation, not the full picture.
Many such cases.
You keep saying "there is an issue" yeah, and the issue is this girl got murdered. So many "reactions" I've seen to this are about anything but that but how this guy represents a large populace somehow.
I've already posted out several factors that contributed to these events happening and I could go on all day doing so. And crossing the streamer from eveey black person in a hoodie(not my words, an actual official on Twitter said this) is not going to solve that problem. Its going to show division and hate and that only leads to more crime down the line. Statistics support that too.
School shootings hardly ever happen. Also, there's way more white kids than black kids to begin with, so if all probabilities by ethnic background were equalized to a population proportion rate, white kids should naturally have more shootings anyway compared to everyone else.
Your chart shows 84/155 shooters are white people. That's 54%. Googling it, sites say whites are 60-70% of the USA population (pending which data set you use). So 54% is already lower than it should be if everyone was apples to apples.
The problem is black people typically have an insanely over-represented % of crime. Check the Canada link someone posted earlier. It only covers 2019-2024 data sets because Canada finally started compiling and releasing some crime data by racial segmentation. The data recap was released in July. The data is incomplete, but you kind of get the drift what's going on. In Canada, the black population is only about 4.5% of the country. There's other minority groups who are much bigger in people count. Yet look at the %'s in the chart (choose the right filter)
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Toons
Member
This happened already.
Ahmaud Arbery was killed by 3 racist monsters while going for a morning jog in February 2023. The police arrived on the scene after being called, zero arrests were made for two months.
Wasnt til video of the murder was uploaded in *MAY* on that year that it became viral and actual arrests were performed and now, the monsters are locked away never to see the light of freedom again. And deservedly so.
If this killer gets his justice faster, it will be progress.
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Avid Reading Horse
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The real question though... is Iryna Zarutska's murder the best thing to ever happen to her or at least her family? I mean just imagine the civil liability and GoFundMe potential! I mean she worked at a pizza place for peanuts.
Kacho
Gold Member
There were a couple iirc and they already got nukedWhy in the hell are people setting up a GoFundMe for this damn lunatic?
Edit: it's probably just trolling btw
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Toons
Member
I already debunked this. First of all i was talking about mass shootings as are the statistics cited. They happen all the time. At a rate of almost 2 a day. Thats plenty.
Probabilities by ethnic background is an incomplete study of the causes of crime and shootings. Which is my entire point.
What are the apples being compared to? How about this one:
Yet another objective statistic. Yet, if a woman came on here and said "im afraid to be in a room with men" would that be reasonable or would she be letting statistics color her bias? You can't even use the "proportional" thing with this one. Its still a bias. Even when it's backed by statistics.
Even when there's other factors influencing statistics, bias responses do not solve the matter. Thats my point.
That is a problem. Do you know what contributes to that problem? And how to address it? It isn't by further shunning black people, I can tell you that. There's been many attempts at addressing even some of these issues. Most of them are not supported by the individuals who are race baiting over this killing.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
This is what people are seeing and it starts to have a huge impact after a while
Exactly. And leftist media trying to bury all this in service of what they consider the greater good is going to backfire spectacularly. No amount of racial harmony in prescription drug ads, netflix shows, and BBC shows will undo what people are seeing with their own 2 eyes. Next generation of kids are not gonna fall for it because they don't care about or engage with MSM.
Beretta
Gold Member
Really? In the usual spaces i hear the same amount of dumb dumbs whining about police brutality.
These morons think cop is an easy job and they should be always ready to act perfectly in a split second situation that involve saving or losing a life, they don't get trained nor payed enough for that.
What bodycam changed was exposing these morons even more.
The incident i described had bodycam footage, it's not that old.
The topic on reeee about it was comedy gold, there was a retired ex-cop (yeah sure) saying how he would have handled the situation and it was something out of a sci-fi movie
The armchair cops are the best, so fucking clueless. It's my life or theirs, if they feel like being a bitch and making a move, I'm reacting to it.
WELL WHY DONT THEY SHOOT AT THE LEGS WHEN THEYRE RUNNING LOLOLOL
Cuz the torso is bigger, you go run after someone and try to shoot their fucking legs, moron. That's even besides the point of how about don't run and just do as you're asked?
GymWolf
Gold Member
This fucker know how to play the law game, crazy my ass, this sound like what a 5 years old would chose as an excuse.
Toons
Member
302 people have been killed in mass shootings.
Every year there are ~20.000 people murdered, compare those numbers
I thought that mass shooting required far more victims in definition but I was wrog.
What is your point here? Are nor both of those things bad?
You seem to be missing that I'm AGAINST using that statistics to influence bias. Im consistent in that, and I remain on that train.
I've said my piece here. This threads turning rather unappealing for me. Anyone wants to discuss further we can do it in pms.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
To be fair, in this subway situation if she knew he was behind her and avoided him, she'd be alive.
But as to the other questions, I think society and gov has tried to do many things to prop people up. And nothing works. And it's not only a black community thing. Anyone regardless of race gets their share of gov assistance, handouts, and for crime ridden areas cops surely patrol the area more trying to reduce crime so it doesnt get out of hand. They arent going to waste their time patrolling a quiet suburb where nothing happens. They'll patrol volatile areas.
There's also waves of AA or DEI kind of stuff that props up people so they can get easier access to jobs and school admissions as a free ride when technically someone else with better qualifications should had got it. You also got various ethnic celebration months too to encourage and raise spirits. What more can society do?
You got other ethnic groups who can arrive from a country poor too, have meh skills, and likely even have crappy English skills (or whatever the local language the country is). Somehow other ethnic people can figure it out how to prosper better and dont loot or do crazy random attacks so often.
Read that Canada link I reposted if you dont believe me. It only has to do with homicide data and the data might not be totally complete, but it paints a close enough picture what's going on. Some other minority groups have such low homicide crime data, they literally have ZERO records some years. Check the charts.
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calistan
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I'm not sure about that. You've got millions of people in jail, you have the death penalty as a deterrent, and yet you still have a murder rate that's only surpassed by relatively lawless states and war zones.
Kacho
Gold Member
What has being soft on crime improved?
calico
Member
You are right, we would need to normalise the data for the racial split of the population during those years for it to be useful.
There were (very roughly) 5x as many white people as black people and so all else being equal we would expect the 'white' number to be ~5x higher than the 'black' number, and yet it is only ~3.2x higher.
Oh no, it's absolutely not because of just this one guy.
This logic is fucking insane. Her being from Ukraine is entirely irrelevant to the murder and there is no indication the murderer knew or cared about that.
Presumably they are not blaming 'some random judge'.
Oh she didn't get brutally stabbed to death on most of the public transport she went on? That's ok then.
I am not defining 'Black culture' by this one individual, but by the very high propensity for violence so many men from this culture seem to have compared to others.
poodaddy
Gold Member
I wouldn't say I'm what would be characterized as a soft dad, but I definitely try not to be as hard as my dad was on us, ya know? You're absolutely right though, that we have to teach our kids the harsh lessons....but it fuckin hurts man. I look at videos of my little girl making me "lobster cookie ice cream yogurt crab cakes", (she used to take all her wooden toy foods and make me every type of food that she knew I and her liked as a "cookie" lol, so cute), and then the other day she asked me if I'd be willing to take her to a gun range here soon and teach her to handle a weapon responsibly.....know why?
"It's not getting any safer Daddy, I just wanna feel safe when you're not here."
Typing that even fucked me up. My daughter shouldn't feel that way, she shouldn't feel like she has to arm up at 14 years old. Granted, we're in a very safe part of the country, (Maine), but we had that horrible shooting about a year ago that scared the hell out of all of us. I want my daughter to see the world as rainbows and hugs, and I want her to feel like a princess right now, not someone preparing for war.
I agree, that's how it is now and we have to prepare our children....but we should not be accepting this. Our country should, and could, be safe, it absolutely could happen. People resign themselves to this fate, and that's incredibly sad. It'd take a greater mind and a better man than me to solve the problem, but I know I don't want this to be the world my daughter's inheriting, and I'm powerless to do anything about it. I just wish it wasn't like this, that's all. My girl deserves better, and so do your kids.
MayauMiao
Member
That excuse won't fly anymore given the fury it caused and probably will get a lot worse if he is given a light sentence.
Lifetime jail.
12Goblins
Thinks Sydney Sweeney is a man
Next gen also probably won't be offended by black people being in TV shows and commercials. WTF am I reading
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Let's face facts people. Some people have a higher chance of doing crime and some dont. Anyone thinking everyone is same probability is ignorant as hell.
No different than different rates among genders or age.
I dont get a sense a couple 70 year olds walking with a cane towards me is going to be a danger zone. And nobody else would either. That's because the chances of a couple old geezers who can barely walk arent going to rob or kill people. And women universally do way less crime too. Especially heinous crime. The chances of a couple women jumping you to mug you or slash you with a knife is going to be absurdly low too.
And I dont a sense anyone on Earth walking down the street and sees a couple Korean or Japanese guys coming towards them and they shake in fear they going to get them. Why would they? How often do you see Asian mugshots from doing a big crime event? Hardly ever.
What does that leave? Guys. Most crime is done by dudes. Check any Female crime chart and incidents drop like a rock. It's skewed heavy to dudes. And most are going to be in that ballpark 20-40 year old range. You arent going to get too many 13 year olds going rampant, nor 65+ year old senior citizens either. Is it age discriminatory to be on the look out for young adult men, vs old men?
And who does the most crime? Pretty much every crime chart probably shows black guys. Not black women, but black guys. And not even just a higher % compared to their population base, but sometimes even in absolute numbers too meaning their probability of doing it is going to be statistically astronomical vs what a standard norm range should be. Remember stats class? Standard deviations?
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Boo Who?
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I support the death penalty fully and wished it was used more. When the evidence is as obvious as this, the death penalty should be the only option, and it is carried out within one year of conviction. Imagine how many cells we could clear out by offing these worthless fucks within a year of their conviction. Again, as long as the evidence is this obvious. Cameras are everywhere, not hard to get evidence anymore. Saves tax payers money and it sends a message.
Mistake
Member
The race stuff doesn't even matter if the law is enforced evenly across the board. Problem is, even if blacks are committing more of the crime, that will in turn be used to say their incarceration rates are higher "and it's a bad thing." Media will keep spinning it. My hope is that we can get past all the BS with the internet and just do what needs to be done for once.
Oh I get it, believe me. I'm a strong 2A advocate for reasons I won't get into, but nothing says equal rights more than a woman with a gun. Also, Maine is generally safe for being more woodsy, but places like Portland are completely going to shit. They had a TB outbreak just the other day from the migrant shelters. Even if you or your family aren't going into town, it also helps being prepared on hikes and whatnot. My brother was chased by a bull moose once and had to climb someone's porch.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Next gen also probably won't be offended by black people being in TV shows and commercials. WTF am I reading
Nobody is offended. It's just an observation. Media has painted a picture of the world that does not reflect reality. This girl growing up in the Ukraine is only exposed to American culture through the lens of the media.
Reizo Ryuu
Gold Member
Some people just live in this hollywood main character action hero fantasy where they truly believe they could've mag dumped the guy in the split second he raised his arm or tackle someone with a knife and not get stabbed/killed themselves.
Nostalgic Nightmare
Member
Politicized for sure, but we don't even need to see statistics to know exactly how the brain rotted will ignore facts, attempt to circle the wagons, pulling every institutional , news & entertainment lever they have control over to redefine or run interference for these examples. Their entire strategy is to redefine, gaslight and shame anyone who wants justice or law to be followed if it goes against their narrative/protected classes- down to eating their own, destroying their own cities and communities all while calling it "good/just". We have governors and elected officials outright defying the law of the land while still expecting people to follow what they legislate - even when it means watching your own communities burn and devolve into violence - while still raising your taxes - squeezing whatever is left of the people still just trying to work a job and raise a family.
The double standards are off the charts and people are beyond tired of it. You can see the exact same playbook happening across the world from UK to France to Canada, it's just amazing how easily people have been herded into hating themselves and others for nothing they took part in - all because they think the politicians aren't somehow bought and sold when it's their team, all they need is the ability to assume moral superiority & a digital jerk off from other sheep/bots. Evil is evil - that is the immutable characteristic that needs to be focused on.
The double standards are off the charts and people are beyond tired of it. You can see the exact same playbook happening across the world from UK to France to Canada, it's just amazing how easily people have been herded into hating themselves and others for nothing they took part in - all because they think the politicians aren't somehow bought and sold when it's their team, all they need is the ability to assume moral superiority & a digital jerk off from other sheep/bots. Evil is evil - that is the immutable characteristic that needs to be focused on.
Last Hearth
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The issue here isn't about her killing, which is tragic, but not unique. Probably due to her being very attractive, and the peculiar nature of the fact she fled her war torn country to the US for safety, only to be slain in such a brutal manner, the fact that the guy who did it has been arrested 14 times, all adds why people are fascinated by the story.
But the central controversy is the attempt by the leftist mainstream media to censor this story by refusing to cover it, that's the real story and where the outrage is. That a media, already known for its lies and distortions in order to sustain their left wing narrative, is again doing this in such an obvious way. Not only do they refuse to cover it, their only response is to attack other people who are talking about it, acting as thought there is something inherently racist for being interested or wanting to discuss this incident.
It's okay to want to discuss an incident where the perp is non-white and the victim is white, the people trying to tell you to stop talking it, or how you care too much about it are scum and liars, and yes that applies to some of the people in this thread.
But the central controversy is the attempt by the leftist mainstream media to censor this story by refusing to cover it, that's the real story and where the outrage is. That a media, already known for its lies and distortions in order to sustain their left wing narrative, is again doing this in such an obvious way. Not only do they refuse to cover it, their only response is to attack other people who are talking about it, acting as thought there is something inherently racist for being interested or wanting to discuss this incident.
It's okay to want to discuss an incident where the perp is non-white and the victim is white, the people trying to tell you to stop talking it, or how you care too much about it are scum and liars, and yes that applies to some of the people in this thread.
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LordCBH
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StreetsofBeige
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Death Penalty in the states is half pointless in its current form. By the time they get executed, it could be 10 or 20+ years. Many die from old age or disease by the time they'd supposed to get it.
Beretta
Gold Member
I can understand as an unarmed person being afraid to make a move on a man with a knife but even after he walked off, no one rushed over (from what I have seen) to maybe take a piece of clothing like a guy could have taken his shirt off and at least applied pressure to the wound. Whether that would have saved her or not, at least someone tried. Everyone just looked back down at their phones like nothing happened.
Bojji
Gold Member
Mass shooting are tiny numbers vs. all people killed/year. You focused on them because they support your narrative.
Reality is that minority of people commits massive amounts of crimes compared to other races/ethnicities.
Kacho
Gold Member
The social engineering attempt in the media is very obvious. There's plenty of memes making fun of it.
Eesha
Member
i think most of the people are mad at the bystanders because they didn't try to aid the girl after the madman went away.
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near
Gold Member
I agree. But by the time they realised she was bleeding out and the assailant had moved up the carriage, they could've and should've done more to help her. I can understand in the immediate moment she was attacked that they perhaps didn't quite realise what had happened, but they would've/should've acknowledged the severity when they saw the blood.
Also that guy tweeting that is a retard, tourniquet on the neck? lol
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
It's just tough to say what any one of us would have done in that scenario. I think it's very possible 2/3, or perhaps all 3, didn't know the extent of the attack until well after it happened. Plus, do we know where the man with the bloody knife was standing after he walked off camera? Where was he looking?
MayauMiao
Member
You should see the UK social engineering PSA.The social engineering attempt in the media is very obvious. There's plenty of memes making fun of it.
Apparently, all the white men are evil.
Beretta
Gold Member
True, it's certainly easier to talk when not in the situation. The video I saw, he went to the nearby door and I think was looking down then I saw another video from a different section that showed him walking around with the knife dripping. I didn't see the girl anywhere so not sure how far in relation to her he wandered off too.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
No doubt. Canada has crime rates at a fraction of the US rate. And were just over the border. Even though we share a lot of things in common like work, language (typically English first for most people), stores, sports teams in the same league, and just how things kind of work in general. It's not like suddenly visiting Japan or Brazil and trying to figure out things and the local language.
Yet when it comes to crime, that is one giant difference between us.
poodaddy
Gold Member
You're absolutely right, and Portland is becoming an absolute dump. Every time we spend time there I don't quite understand why it's the defacto "best city" in Maine when Boothbay, Camden, Bar Harbor, Rome, Orono, etc. exist. I haven't taken many hikes since moving here, (moved from Seattle area), but I'll bear that in mind and I thank you for the advice. I don't often bring my 38 out, but something tells me it's time to start wearing it more often. I honestly don't care for guns, (I know I know, weird for a vet but it's true), as I grew up in East TN, and we just settled things with our fists and lived to fight another day, but so much has changed.
I'll tell you a story from way back. When my daughter was about 1, so about 13 years ago, we rented a house on American Lake in Washington. We'd often go to the playground there and burn up hours as she played. One day, while we were there playing, I noticed a skinny, lanky guy walking around with a backpack, staring into cars at kids and women and yelling at them, cursing at them at the top of his lungs. TN Poodaddy woke up, and he didn't care much for that, so I started following the guy to "have a talk" with him, at which point my wife literally begged me not to mess with him. At the time I was a rather large gym rat and still in the Army, so I looked at him and looked at me, "honey, only fuckin thing he's got on me is height and it's only by an inch or two." "Just please don't ok, something's not right with him, just please don't."
Listen to your wives fellas.....
I decided to do as she asked and called the police instead. They showed up, and we saw the whole thing unfold. He pulled a 12 inch knife out of that backpack and went at the four police, and it took two tasers to bring the skinny bastard down.
If I would have handled it the way I intended to, I suppose I wouldn't be here now, or at the very least I wouldn't be in one piece.
Everyone is armed these days, everyone's a coward, and no one respects the times when we merely settled things like men and then helped out the fella who went down. Hell, growing up we used to beat the absolute shit out of each other, bloody as hell. Then guess what we did? We'd help each other up, and usually the winner covered the loser's tab at our local IHOP in Maryville, TN! We weren't little bitches who were looking to end lives, we just wanted to settle disputes and move on.
What in the fuck happened to men in this country?
Know what you are if you kill an innocent person?
Weak
Soft
Pathetic
Disgusting
Small
I don't give a fuck if you're 7 feet tall and three hundred pounds, if you wanna hurt innocent people, that's what ya are, you're a fuckin squeak and a coward.
Once upon a time we were men, but that seems like just hazy images in the rear view now.
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12Goblins
Thinks Sydney Sweeney is a man
and a collage someone made on twitter with 4 black people lunging at the camera reflects reality? What are u saying bro