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[BumblebeeCody]

So what do you guys make of this eBay listing?
http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/SIGNED-by-H...ium-Package-GameCube-/201395274014?nav=SEARCH

Worth the price? How much would you pay?

 

[Impotaku]

So what do you guys make of this eBay listing?
http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/SIGNED-by-H...ium-Package-GameCube-/201395274014?nav=SEARCH

Worth the price? How much would you pay?

LOL not even remotely worth that, couple of hundred tops. Considering it's missing the game thats exclusive to the bundle. Considering i don't really care about Kojima i wouldn't pay much for his autograph in fact i'd probably pay less as a limited edition has now been defaced.

 

[shanafan]

LOL not even remotely worth that, couple of hundred tops. Considering it's missing the game thats exclusive to the bundle. Considering i don't really care about Kojima i wouldn't pay much for his autograph in fact i'd probably pay less as a limited edition has now been defaced.

Well sounds more like you personally wouldn't buy it since you aren't a Kojima fan, doesn't mean someone else would fork over the dough.

I feel though that the beauty of an autograph is to have been there to see your own item signed. It's very personable, and that is part of the memory itself.

The auction price? Well, it does seem high. I'm US, so I would expect to see it go around maybe $500-750? That's just a guess at ballpark. How much is the Twin Snakes edition normally on eBay without the signature? That's a good place to start.

 

[Balb]

It depends. The newer ones are cheaper and fine if you want to play imports and just mess around a bit, but if you want to unlock things like F Zero AX, you need the old one.

Yeah I'm looking for an older one. Any preference?

 

[NormalFish]

So I had a random thought recently. I'm looking to get a NGC for use with the GBI homebrew for the GBP.

Is there any reason not to get a PAL console? I'll be using a method to make it region free regardless, and this would allow me to use SCART, right? Is there a downside I'm not thinking of?

 

[Rich!]

So I had a random thought recently. I'm looking to get a NGC for use with the GBI homebrew for the GBP.

Is there any reason not to get a PAL console? I'll be using a method to make it region free regardless, and this would allow me to use SCART, right? Is there a downside I'm not thinking of?

If you want RGB through SCART, get a PAL console.

 

[NormalFish]

If you want RGB through SCART, get a PAL console.

sounds like it really is that simple, thanks.

 

[Lightning_Roller]

Hello, I have a few questions to ask if its okay. Im about to make a few gamecube game purchases off amazon for the first time and was wondering is it worth it? Did any of you have any problems getting GameCube games delivered? Im just really cautious is all. Sorry if these are stupid questions.

 

[Bar81]

Hello, I have a few questions to ask if its okay. Im about to make a few gamecube game purchases off amazon for the first time and was wondering is it worth it? Did any of you have any problems getting GameCube games delivered? Im just really cautious is all. Sorry if these are stupid questions.

Ask for pictures and don't buy unless they send them (you'll get a lot of idiots who will say they sent them to Amazon to arrange shipping and didn't take pictures before that).

 

[Lightning_Roller]

Ask for pictures and don't buy unless they send them (you'll get a lot of idiots who will say they sent them to Amazon to arrange shipping and didn't take pictures before that).

Yeah thats definitely a good idea, I don't want to waste my money on a game that won't work.

 

[Hubbl3]

Ask for pictures and don't buy unless they send them (you'll get a lot of idiots who will say they sent them to Amazon to arrange shipping and didn't take pictures before that).

That's my biggest grip with the Amazon Marketplace...the setup is AWFUL for actually seeing the condition of an item listed on the site without having to contact the seller. Then, even if you do contact the seller, it's still a mixed bag as far as whether or not you do or don't get pictures...

 

[Jamix012]

sounds like it really is that simple, thanks.

Can't use component cables, but with their prices, I'm not sure that's such a loss these days.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Can't use component cables, but with their prices, I'm not sure that's such a loss these days.

You can use component cables on PAL gamecubes. It's the PAL games that aren't coded to support 480p. Since the poster is spoofing the region code there shouldn't be a issue, right?

 

[chaosblade]

Does it cost extra to put pictures up on Amazon Marketplace? I know it isn't the standard to do so, unlike ebay, but it's definitely possible since I've seen people do it before.

 

[Jamix012]

You can use component cables on PAL gamecubes. It's the PAL games that aren't coded to support 480p. Since the poster is spoofing the region code there shouldn't be a issue, right?

Oh yeah I guess so. Oops. I always forget the PAL cube had the digital port in early models too.

 

[NormalFish]

Can't use component cables, but with their prices, I'm not sure that's such a loss these days.

Whole point of going with RGB is to avoid component cables

 

[Jamix012]

Whole point of going with RGB is to avoid component cables

lol, fair enough. 480p component is better than interlaced RGB though (480i/576i component is really no different from RGB though)

 

[Rich!]

lol, fair enough. 480p component is better than interlaced RGB though (480i/576i component is really no different from RGB though)

not on a CRT it isn't.

Also, RGB is far superior to yprpb component.

 

[Jamix012]

not on a CRT it isn't.

If the CRT is 480p compatible, then yes, it is.

 

[Rich!]

If the CRT is 480p compatible, then yes, it is.

I will argue until the end of time. RGB is better than component. Not even talking about refresh rate/interlacing, I'm on about colour reproduction.

 

[chaosblade]

I will argue until the end of time. RGB is better than component. Not even talking about refresh rate/interlacing, I'm on about colour reproduction.

That seems accurate from the comparisons I've seen. It's too bad it's not really an option in NA.

 

[Jamix012]

I will argue until the end of time. RGB is better than component. Not even talking about refresh rate/interlacing, I'm on about colour reproduction.

RGB is NOT better than component for 480p games on the 'cube and to say otherwise is...well just wrong. Even on 480i/576i games, the Gamecube produces virtually identical pictures on both RGB and Component. The PS2, Wii and Xbox all have inferior Component connections to RGB, yes, but the Gamecube's is far better compared to those.

 

[sixteen-bit]

I will argue until the end of time. RGB is better than component. Not even talking about refresh rate/interlacing, I'm on about colour reproduction.

Makes sense. The image is separated into 3 separate signals in RGB instead of just chroma and luma with component.

 

[NormalFish]

RGB is NOT better than component for 480p games on the 'cube and to say otherwise is...well just wrong. Even on 480i/576i games, the Gamecube produces virtually identical pictures on both RGB and Component. The PS2, Wii and Xbox all have inferior Component connections to RGB, yes, but the Gamecube's is far better compared to those.

Well yeah, getting a picture is better than not getting a picture, so of course component is better than RGB for 480p on the cube. Not really sure what your point is.

If Rich is talking color accuracy, then component is definitely not better.

The point is if you want the absolute best picture from your cube then Component is the highest standard you can get without Nintendon't or emulation on the majority of cube games.

With good deinterlacing, RGB gives better picture than component for a majority of games for a fraction of the cost.

 

[Jamix012]

Well yeah, getting a picture is better than not getting a picture, so of course component is better than RGB for 480p on the cube. Not really sure what your point is.

The point is if you want the absolute best picture from your cube then Component is the highest standard you can get without Nintendon't or emulation on the majority of cube games.

 

[Rich!]

The point is if you want the absolute best picture from your cube then Component is the highest standard you can get without Nintendon't or emulation on the majority of cube games.

No. It's not true.

The simple fact of the matter is that RGB naturally outputs a wider colour range than component.

No matter how much you try to spin it, there's no arguing it. And finding a CRT with component in and progressive support is fucking difficult. RGB SCART native CRTs though? I just looked on Gumtree. There's tonnes of them. Majority for free or ten quid at most.

 

[Jamix012]

With good deinterlacing, RGB gives better picture than component for a majority of games for a fraction of the cost.

It's a fraction of the cost, but picture quality isn't comparable. Gamecube is famous for an amazing component signal and a kind of over-saturated, but still good RGB signal. Trust me I've run side by side tests on this with one of the best de-interlacers out there, the two aren't in the same league.

No. It's not true.

The simple fact of the matter is that RGB naturally outputs a wider colour range than component.

Did you also know that not all RGB signals are created equal? The Neo Geo for example produces great or "eh" RGB signals depending on the model you have. The Gamecube leans more on the side of "eh", but is still decent with it's RGB. It's no component though.

 

[Chastten]

Ok, so this is gonna be a silly question to most of you, but when you guys are talking about RGB, do you mean this one?



I got these back in 2003 or something and the image quality was definitely much better then with the red/white/yellow-tulip cables (not sure what the English name is) that came with the GameCube itself. Never even knew there were better options >_<

 

[Rich!]

Ok, so this is gonna be a silly question to most of you, but when you guys are talking about RGB, do you mean this one?



I got these back in 2003 or something and the image quality was definitely much better then with the red/white/yellow-tulip cables (not sure what the English name is) that came with the GameCube itself. Never even knew there were better options >_<

Yep. If you are on a CRT, that's the best option. Hands down.

It's also the best option for the Wii too. Fantastic image via RGB SCART on that console.

 

[NormalFish]

It's a fraction of the cost, but picture quality isn't comparable. Gamecube is famous for an amazing component signal and a kind of over-saturated, but still good RGB signal. Trust me I've run side by side tests on this with one of the best de-interlacers out there, the two aren't in the same league.



Did you also know that not all RGB signals are created equal? The Neo Geo for example produces great or "eh" RGB signals depending on the model you have. The Gamecube leans more on the side of "eh", but is still decent with it's RGB. It's no component though.

you are really overselling the NGC's component signal lol. It's pretty damn good, but RGB just isn't going to get outclassed by it. There's an image on retroRGB comparing RGB and RGB via a modded component cable (which should be a better signal than vanilla component), and the RGB via component cable is only a marginal improvement. Marginal enough I couldn't tell the difference.

 

[Jamix012]

you are really overselling the NGC's component signal lol. It's pretty damn good, but RGB just isn't going to get outclassed by it. There's an image on retroRGB comparing RGB and RGB via a modded component cable (which should be a better signal than vanilla component), and the RGB via component cable is only a marginal improvement. Marginal enough I couldn't tell the difference.

I'm confused as to your point. You just stated that VGA (which is superior to SCART) produces an indistinguishable difference through RGB vs. Component and yet somehow SCART (which again, is a lesser signal to VGA in every way) is somehow better?

 

[NormalFish]

I'm confused as to your point. You just stated that VGA (which is superior to SCART) produces an indistinguishable difference through RGB vs. Component and yet somehow SCART (which again, is a lesser signal to VGA in every way) is somehow better?

Alright, man.

You are clearly very invested in this since you're totally twisting what I'm saying.

Here's the page: http://retrorgb.com/gamecubecompare.html

Knock yourself out.

 

[Jamix012]

Alright, man.

You are clearly very invested in this since you're totally misrepresenting what I'm saying.

Here's the page: http://retrorgb.com/gamecubecompare.html

Knock yourself out.

No, I know what you're saying and I've been to this page plenty...I just genuinely don't understand your point. You claim RGB in this pic is indistinguishable from component and yet SCART is somehow better than component despite the fact that SCART is a lesser RGB format than VGA?

 

[Like the hat?]

I just still can't believe how expensive component cables are. I'm stuck with composite forever.

Now I need to search out a cheap copy of Ribbit King. Damn game grumps.

 

[Rich!]

No, I know what you're saying and I've been to this page plenty...I just genuinely don't understand your point. You claim RGB in this pic is indistinguishable from component and yet SCART is somehow better than component despite the fact that SCART is a lesser RGB format than VGA?

Where the hell does VGA come into any of this?

Stop it.

 

[NormalFish]

No, I know what you're saying and I've been to this page plenty...I just genuinely don't understand your point. You claim RGB in this pic is indistinguishable from component and yet SCART is somehow better than component despite the fact that SCART is a lesser RGB format than VGA?

I literally never mentioned VGA.

 

[Jamix012]

Where the hell does VGA come into any of this?

Stop it.

Edit: I misread the site, the comparison hasn't been done between the VGA image. My bad. Hold on while I get a better reply.

Still he used a modded VGA cable for the RGB comparison so uh...yeah VGA is 100% relevent

 

[NormalFish]

Stop what, if you were reading the conversation you'd understand. The image comparison on that site is VGA from the cube (IE a modded component cable where they grabbed the R G & B parts in the component wire and rewired them to VGA.) So...yeah.

This indicates that they're all pretty comparable, with RGB being slightly less sharp.

 

[Balb]

Why the hell did he put a watermark in the middle of a screenshot comparison picture?

 

[Jamix012]

He also mentions

"I haven't done a component vs VGA picture comparison yet, but I can confirm that the output quality is extremely close."

My question of your logic here is still this:

he states
VGA = Component (Roughly speaking)

You state based on the screens
RGB = Component For Still Screens

And yet you come to the conclusion
RGB > Component?


EDIT: For the confused, the modded component for RGB is a VGA cable.

 

[NormalFish]

He also mentions

"I haven't done a component vs VGA picture comparison yet, but I can confirm that the output quality is extremely close."

My question of your logic here is still this:

he states
VGA = Component (Roughly speaking)

You state based on the screens
RGB = Component For Still Screens

And yet you come to the conclusion
RGB > Component?

I have come to the conclusion they are all quite comparable. Where Component is sharper and allows for 480p, RGB has notably better color accuracy.

6 on one side, half dozen on the other.

Except one is 200$.

EDIT: For the confused, the modded component for RGB is a VGA cable.

No. There are two seperate mods. One is a component -> RGB mod. One is a Component -> VGA mod. He strongly recommends the VGA mod because it allows you to get an RGB signal. However, that is not what the comparison is, unless he is phrasing the page very poorly.

 

[Heavy's Sandvich]

alright lads, heard you need my help here?

 

[Jamix012]

I have come to the conclusion they are all quite comparable. Where Component is sharper and allows for 480p, RGB has notably better color accuracy.

6 on one side, half dozen on the other.

Except one is 200$.

For value I'd argue, unless you're exclusively playing 480i/576i games only, the second best option is Wii Component. For reference here's some screenshots I took which are pseudo relevent to the conversation

RGB through HDMI (Trilogy)

Component through Gamecube (unfortunately stretched by my capture card)

I don't see a strong distinction in colour. I've done other side by side tests but that was before I had my capture card and was with my PAL gamecube and can confirm that, from my point of view (and pretty much a universal opinion until today apparantly) Component cables are far better for games with 480p and virtually indistinguishable without it vs Scart.

No. There are two seperate mods. One is a component -> RGB mod. One is a Component -> VGA mod. He strongly recommends the VGA mod because it allows you to get an RGB signal. However, that is not what the comparison is, unless he is phrasing the page very poorly.

No. The mod he does to get RGB out of the NTSC cube is to make it VGA, though I admit it's worded strangely. There's no other mod for the cables.

 

[Rich!]

For value I'd argue, unless you're exclusively playing 480i/576i games only, the second best option is Wii Component. For reference here's some screenshots I took which are pseudo relevent to the conversation

RGB through HDMI (Trilogy)

Component through Gamecube (unfortunately stretched by my capture card)

I don't see a strong distinction in colour. I've done other side by side tests but that was before I had my capture card and was with my PAL gamecube and can confirm that, from my point of view (and pretty much a universal opinion until today apparantly) Component cables are far better for games with 480p and virtually indistinguishable without it vs Scart.

Nope.

 

[Jamix012]

Nope.

Very insightful. I suppose you HAVE done the tests?

 

[Rich!]

Very insightful.

Your comparison is flawed to begin with.

For a start, you are using an HDMI adapter. Guess what? That's not outputting via RGB. Why? Because only the PAL Wii system outputs RGB signals at all. I am assuming you are using a US console. Guess what? That is 100% not outputting RGB.

There is a reason why you can't tell the difference between the adapter and component. Try and guess what that reason is.

 

[Jamix012]

Your comparison is flawed to begin with.

For a start, you are using an HDMI adapter. Guess what? That's not outputting via RGB. Why? Because only the PAL Wii system outputs RGB signals at all.

There is a reason why you can't tell the difference between the adapter and component.

Not using an HDMI adapter, I am aware HDMI adapters are shite. Using a Wii U which DOES output RGB.

 

[Rich!]

Not using an HDMI adapter. Using a Wii U which DOES output RGB.

Oh deary fuck me.

I'm out. I'll rejoin this asine argument when you test with an actual RGB cable on an actual GameCube. Until then, just...well. Thanks for trying I guess.

 

[Jamix012]

Oh deary fuck me.

I'm out.

Later i guess.

 

[Heavy's Sandvich]

Not using an HDMI adapter. Using a Wii U which DOES output RGB.

wait, didn't you fawn over the gamecube's output yet you're using the Wii U?

why not use a gamecube to actually demonstrate your point?