The Official Fallout 3 thread of post-apocalyptic proportions!
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Mr. Enigma
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Major Nelson just posted the following on his Twitter:
So it seems The Pitt v3 is now up.
Delete your old one and download the new one.
So it seems The Pitt v3 is now up.
Delete your old one and download the new one.
CurlySaysX said:What The hell?!
Did i just accidentally clock the game?
I sent the blonde girl in to type the code and we both died which brought up the credits. Is that it?
I had just got to level 12 and increased my explosive skills to 25 so i could defuse the nuke.
I so wanted to do a few more quests and stuff.
So load a save before the final quest. The game automatically makes an autosave before the point of no return.
Load that and continue on your merry way
If anyone is undecided on whether or not to get The Pitt, and you like exploration, id say jump in and buy it. Theres actually an equal part exploration as there is missions in this pack and Im really digging it.
For those of you who have and dont know what Im talking about:
tis fun.
For those of you who have and dont know what Im talking about:
theres the abandoned apartments, the Pitt underground, the tower where Ashur lives, the scaffolding city around the place for the guards and the extensive steel yard where you find the steel ingots, plus a smattering of little rooms off the beaten path.
tis fun.
fourzerotwo
Member
suEcide said:
Just like previous DLC you'll get a new Radio Frequency on your PipBoy. It'll give you a location up to the north (top / center of map, west of
the Oasis
Okay, beat the game yesterday and that ending was... what the hell Bethesda? I have
Goddamn, Bethesda.
GOD.
On a higher note, thankfully the Steel expansion will come out soon so that will fix that. Because goddamn.
FAWKES, BETHESDA.
Fawkes, the guy who went into a much more dangerously irradiated place as my partner, an advanced radiation suit, the radiation perk gotten from Moira, a ton of Rad-X and Radaway. In fact I tested the suit in the GECK vault just to see how dangerous it was, so I know that the 1-5 Rads/sec I was receiving in the Purity chamber was almost insignificant.
All of that, and I still die? Really? Somebody has to die to get a good-ish ending even though we get plenty of protection and FREAKING FAWKES in the end?
All of that, and I still die? Really? Somebody has to die to get a good-ish ending even though we get plenty of protection and FREAKING FAWKES in the end?
Goddamn, Bethesda.
GOD.
On a higher note, thankfully the Steel expansion will come out soon so that will fix that. Because goddamn.
FAWKES, BETHESDA.
MrTroubleMaker
Member
Are you using the retail patch on the steam version? if you are that could be the problem, let steam delete the local cache and re-download it, I don't know what else it could be other than drivers, hope this helpsfistfulofmetal said:
ZombieSupaStar
Member
my mods list:
and extra misc mods I run, havent seen issues yet in tandem with all of the above
assuming you download and use all those here is my load order that loads, and doesn't crash (too ...much)
note I have operation anchorage and the pitt dlc, so if you don't, just skip over those files and the extra fook.esps with them in their names.
when i "redo" my mods I delete all the files and folders in the "C:\Program Files\Bethesda Softworks\Fallout 3\Data\" folder EXCEPT the folders Music, Shaders, Video and all the .bsa files, and the fallout3.esm.... i also go into ..\My Documents\My Games\Fallout3\Saves\ZombieSupaStar\ and delete my saves there
Utilities said:
Patches said:
Fallout Wanderers Edition with compatible mods said:
and extra misc mods I run, havent seen issues yet in tandem with all of the above
Misc. Mods said:
assuming you download and use all those here is my load order that loads, and doesn't crash (too ...much)
note I have operation anchorage and the pitt dlc, so if you don't, just skip over those files and the extra fook.esps with them in their names.
Load Order said:
when i "redo" my mods I delete all the files and folders in the "C:\Program Files\Bethesda Softworks\Fallout 3\Data\" folder EXCEPT the folders Music, Shaders, Video and all the .bsa files, and the fallout3.esm.... i also go into ..\My Documents\My Games\Fallout3\Saves\ZombieSupaStar\ and delete my saves there
Brannon said:
Yeah, Bethesda really screwed up on that. Bethesda's lead designer actually addressed the issue in one of the most arrogant statements I've ever read:
Oh, and just in case ...
" All of the followers were implemented into the game fairly late in development, after the main story had already been nailed down. So, you know, we had the scene at the end of the game, with deadly radiation, and never really compensated for the fact that you could have a Supermutant, or Ghoul, or robot, who could possibly turn the purifier on for you. We'd only ever planned for you sending Sarah Lyons into the purifier, because we knew, from a story standpoint, that she'd definitely be in there with you.
What we could do -- and what we did ultimately do -- is cover that stuff in dialogue. You can ask those followers to go into the purifier, and they'll tell you why they won't. We felt that fit with their personalities, but really, they didn't "sell" that to the player in a single line of dialogue. So, in the end, the player's left with a, "Huh, why the hell can't they do it?!" sort of feeling.
So the story does kind of break down. But you know what? We knew that, and were OK with it, because the trade-off is, well, you get these cool followers to join you. You meet up with Fawkes near the end of the game, and it's true you can go right with him to the purifier. So we could've not had him there as a follower, and that would've solved the problem of him not going into the purifier -- because, at that point in development, that was the only fix we had time for. But we kept it, and players got him as a follower, and they seem to love adventuring him with. Gameplay trumped story, in that example -- as I believe it should have.
So if we'd planned better, we could've addressed that more satisfactorily. But considering how it all went down, I feel good about the decision we made there."
What we could do -- and what we did ultimately do -- is cover that stuff in dialogue. You can ask those followers to go into the purifier, and they'll tell you why they won't. We felt that fit with their personalities, but really, they didn't "sell" that to the player in a single line of dialogue. So, in the end, the player's left with a, "Huh, why the hell can't they do it?!" sort of feeling.
So the story does kind of break down. But you know what? We knew that, and were OK with it, because the trade-off is, well, you get these cool followers to join you. You meet up with Fawkes near the end of the game, and it's true you can go right with him to the purifier. So we could've not had him there as a follower, and that would've solved the problem of him not going into the purifier -- because, at that point in development, that was the only fix we had time for. But we kept it, and players got him as a follower, and they seem to love adventuring him with. Gameplay trumped story, in that example -- as I believe it should have.
So if we'd planned better, we could've addressed that more satisfactorily. But considering how it all went down, I feel good about the decision we made there."
Confidence Man
Member
How is that arrogant, exactly?
Stoney Mason
Banned
MC Safety said:
I see nothing arrogant about the statement. He simply explains the process and what side he comes down on. He's not forcing you to agree.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
MC Safety said:
They should have just said fuck it and fix the shitty ending, which I guess/hope is what their doing with the next expansion
Stoney Mason
Banned
MC Safety said:
I see nothing arrogant with giving people a real insight into the development process and what happened. He doesn't invalidate how you might feel about the ending. He gives a realistic interpretation of what happened. I also don't think its a great ending but it's still my favorite game of last year so I roughly agree with his sentiments.
I can tell you from personal experience if you think that is arrogant you don't want to ever hear the real story of how any game is ever developed because there are constant compromises.
Arrogant would have been to say the dialogue option they gave was perfect and the user should be perfectly satisfied with that and shut up.
So, I finally did everything that was possible in the game! Completed it for the second time.
It's without doubt my GOTY 08 and one of my favourite games of all time. I deeply respect Bethesda for this one. Especially because 90% of the players will only see half of the locations, while they still put incredible detail in each and every location.
The whole universe is so coherent and believable, with every area you discover even more so. I'm going to pray now that the DLC will come to the PS3.
Stoney Mason said:
You're embarrassing yourself, Stoney.
Bethesda shipped you a busted game, knew the game was busted, but was okay with it. It didn't care whether you were okay with it, or if everyone who played it and cursed the ending was okay with it. That's real hubris.
Oh, and don't patronize me. Game development is fraught with compromise? Really?
Stoney Mason
Banned
MC Safety said:
I'll stop because discussion with you seems overly heated for some reason and imo you take over offense just like you did at the quote.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion. I just disagree completely.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
i don't see anything offensive about what the developer said. he delivers his reasoning and acknowledges that their decisions were not perfect, and admits that someone else might have made a different decision or handled it a different way.
if it's arrogance, it's the most subtle, imperceptible arrogance i've ever seen, layered beneath a metric ton of reason and acknowledgment that the game isn't perfect.
i appreciate your vigilance, but you seem to be going beyond just staying on top of the game and its developers and not letting them get away with mediocrity. you bring the fervent passion of a witch hunt where it's not really required. but that's just the way it seems i guess
if it's arrogance, it's the most subtle, imperceptible arrogance i've ever seen, layered beneath a metric ton of reason and acknowledgment that the game isn't perfect.
MC Safety said:
i appreciate your vigilance, but you seem to be going beyond just staying on top of the game and its developers and not letting them get away with mediocrity. you bring the fervent passion of a witch hunt where it's not really required. but that's just the way it seems i guess
Stoney Mason
Banned
MC Safety said:
My enjoyment of the game has very little to do with my assessment of his said arrogance which going from the other people in this thread is not that uncommon a position.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
OriginX said:
you can pump up the difficulty in the options menu
beelzebozo said:
To be honest, there's no witch hunt. I am just trying to relate the notion that it takes a lot of stones and, simultaneously, disregard for your audience to ship a game with so many bugs and an ending that's nonsensical.
We can debate arrogance to the dogs and back. But there's your definition of the word, right in paragraph above this one.
Stoney Mason
Banned
OriginX said:
Outside of the difficulty option no.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
MC Safety said:
it's perhaps a bit of hypocrisy on my part as someone who's so critical of g.t.a. and other sandbox games where polish and focus are discarded in favor of massive scope, but i chalk up a lot of those problems with bugs to just how much there is in the game. have they been working to update and squash the major ones as much as they can? if so, i don't see how you can fault them too much for it; the economics of gaming means that if they wanted something of the same scope which they created, there's no way they could catch every bug with every one of the thousands of things that can happen in FALLOUT 3 and still get the game out within any reasonable time. that's not to say quality should take a back seat to economics, but there's a line, i think. patching the things post-release that they just honestly didn't catch in testing is acceptable to me because i sympathize with the challenge of trying to find a hundred needles in a thousand haystacks.
as far as the ending, it could have been handled better, but again, reading his comments i don't feel that there's a lot of arrogance there. just, as stoney said, some compromises. so many different scenarios can play out at the end depending on who you are and who's in your party, and inevitably some of them are going to slightly break the logic of the game world. it's not something i think should be taken so seriously; for some reason it reminds me of the ability to go on the date with barret in ff7. does it make a lot of sense? no. but it's there. nothing to get all up in arms about.
beelzebozo said:
The answer to that is a resounding no. They've been working hard on getting the DLC up and running so they can take more of our money.
Debilitating bugs like the situation with
Garza
Just look at the Bethesda technical support forums, nearly every page has one thread about disppearing items in the Megaton house and nothing is done about it. And we're talking about a bug that was prevalent all the way back in Oblivion. It's not new and yet nothing is being done about it. It happened to me before, which is why I'm bitching so much about it. In a game with so much loot and where you're forced to spend so much time scavenging for items, losing a whole goddamn stash of items does *not* feel good at all.
RadAndrew502
Member
ElyrionX said:
That's the only major bug I encountered in this game and boy was I pissed. I learned to do a hard save before every major quest, about ever 2-3 hours of gametime.
It sucks that we have to resort to that in order to not experience such a debilitating bug.
FO3 is still in my top 5 all time games ever though.
The first time I played I had jericho with me for most of the time as my pack mule/evil companionTobor said:
My 2nd playthrough I got dogmeat but immediately put him in my house as a loyal watchdog
This 3rd playthrough I got dogmeat and kept him around for some of the earlier missions. Now that I'm going a more stealthy route I leave him at my house but I occasionally take him on a stroll when I just feel like exploring the wasteland finding new places.
Stoney Mason
Banned
Tobor said:
That was one of my favorite aspects of the game. Honestly I wanted to lead a small brigade with me like the lyons pride where we each had a role.
neoism
Member
Yeah, all this talk about HAWKS and everything, I'm not going to use him/her either. I got Dogmeat and he died 5 minutes later, I'm a pure stealth player, I played Oblivion like that to. I'm really looking forward to playing this next month on my old character she's level 18 now. I'm also glad I can play on very hard now, sense "if its so hard to get to level 30", theirs nothing holding me back exp wise!Tobor said:
Yeah I was surprised how it easy it is to miss that. The only reason I managed to find my gear was because I checked the map and saw two mission markers. I didnt move on until I found that second marker (more difficult that one might think considering I had to back into the hole which I didnt even consider as what I needed to do).
But yeah, I can totally see many people not realising you can get your gear back after the fights. (surprised its disappeared though. You sure youve done everything needed to trigger the gear?)
But yeah, I can totally see many people not realising you can get your gear back after the fights. (surprised its disappeared though. You sure youve done everything needed to trigger the gear?)