Dreams-Visions
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Objectivity is a helluva thing.dream said:
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The Official HP Touchpad Thread of $100 Digital Picture Frames
- Thread starter VanMardigan
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god dang pdf support on this thing is just atrocious. it's such a shame because I am loving webOS, but the app support just isn't up to par.
i'm also a bit surprised that the kindle app doesn't support sideloading yet. you'd think with how easy it is to add music/movies/pictures, that .mobi files would be just a simple.
definitely looking forward to a dual booting option.
i'm also a bit surprised that the kindle app doesn't support sideloading yet. you'd think with how easy it is to add music/movies/pictures, that .mobi files would be just a simple.
definitely looking forward to a dual booting option.
It's only a big deal if you deal with apps that need to have multiple "windows," like MS Word with multiple documents, or multiple e-mails. But most apps aren't this way anyway. And even then it adds a bit more efficiency at a higher cost--memory usage is higher, you need to deal with and manage app cards that don't need the paradigm, etc.dream said:
I still just compare it to using CMD/ALT+TAB on the desktop. I multitask just fine by knowing what program/icon I want to jump to--it's faster than bringing up Expose/Mission Control.
I can still see a Mission Control type thingy on iOS, but they'll keep the dock on the bottom (just like on OS X) for power users to use the CMD+TAB paradigm.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Things that would make the browser not suck:
Disable the goddamn caching.
Jump to top and bottom of page.
Honestly I think whoever designed the browser never actually used it to browse with. That much seems abundantly clear.
Disable the goddamn caching.
Jump to top and bottom of page.
Honestly I think whoever designed the browser never actually used it to browse with. That much seems abundantly clear.
itwasTuesday
He wasn't alone.
after you installed the hack you have to go to screen settings for the lower brightness settings. Touching it in the top right comer settings resets it back to the standard 1-100%elty said:
gregor7777
Banned
Unknown Soldier said:
Also, some sites that make heavy use of javascript (yahoo fantasy football for example) seem to give the poor browser fits. That one in particular loads fine, but then each page seems to want to keep loading 2 or 3 times.
Gmail doesn't play nice either. I have to use the HTML version of gmail.
gregor7777
Banned
dream said:
It's brutal. And it's only the second worst issue the browser has.
EDIT: I don't mean to sound too negative here. I mean, on the other hand I completed my whole FF draft using the Yahoo draft flash-webapp, and it ran flawlessly. So that's something. I don't know how many other tabs/browsers can do that.
But yeah, the caching and javascript performance is smelly ass.
It's a tablet guys, not a PC, you seem to have some pretty high expectations for a it as a PC substitute. For the few things that it does poorly, I'm finding that it does quite a few right. With time hopefully some of the issues will be address. (PDF support and Javascript mainly)
Though I've never had an issue with browser caching when browsing GAF or any other website, a simple refresh seems to show me the latest updates in threads. Does this only happen when logged in or something?
Though I've never had an issue with browser caching when browsing GAF or any other website, a simple refresh seems to show me the latest updates in threads. Does this only happen when logged in or something?
The Big Rig
Member
I like the multitasking through the cards, and the word processor works pretty well.dream said:
dream said:
I have some complaints as well, and think that the Android port will really help alleviate some of those, particularly if it's ICS.
With that said there's a lot that I do like:
I am thoroughly impressed with the sound, and the screen seems nice as well.
I like the onscreen keyboard.
Preware seems great, and the fact that HP didn't make me jump through hoops to get to it is appreciated.
Unknown Soldier
Member
dream said:
The irony is that I think webOS is fundamentally a sound, if terribly optimized, mobile OS. I mean, it's just about impossible for me to crash the OS itself. If an app freezes (which happens A LOT), I just swipe up from the bezel to minimize it into a card and throw the card away.
WebOS does seem to have memory management issues, once I've got a bunch of cards open it occupies all memory, starts swapping to the disk, and then whenever I switch apps or do something which requires memory the whole tablet stalls for a few seconds while it desperately tries to free up memory. This is annoying, if there's one thing Android does right, it's memory management. Android will kill apps running in the background to free up memory, webOS doesn't seem to do this.
The apps are just terrible, though. Starting with the goddamn browser. Did anybody at HP/Palm own an iPhone, iPad, Android phone, or Android tablet while they were developing the browser for this thing? There are so many things which should be FUCKING OBVIOUS you need to have in a mobile browser. iOS and Android both implement different ways of scrolling fast, either by jumping to top/bottom of the page, or just having super-turbo-autoscroll if you swipe really hard. It should be OBVIOUS that you need this! At least give me a scroll bar if you aren't going to give me gestures for fast scrolling!
And yeah, the Javascript performance of this browser is atrocious. Seriously, look at this:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4508/hp-touchpad-review/5
It gets KILLED by other tablets on the SunSpider Javascript test. Just fucking owned. Who the hell decided Javascript wasn't important enough to optimize performance of? Is this the real Internet? Who gives a fuck about Flash if Javascript, which is universally used on all webpages, performs this badly?
Even at 1.8 ghz I can make my Touchpad stall, lag, and just generally refuse to respond to my touch. I realize that webOS 3.0.x for Touchpad is webOS version 0.73 beta for tablets, but even Honeycomb, Android 0.48 beta for tablets, is generally smoother and more responsive than this.
The most hilarious part is that both HP and Blackberry are or were selling their tablets for the same price as iPad 2. On what planet would someone rather pay $600 for a Touchpad or Playbook instead of an iPad 2?
dream
Member
I kind of suspect this thing has terrible memory leaks somewhere. Performance shouldn't be this terrible when it has a gig of ram to work with. Plus, I'll get the most random TMC errors when I really shouldn't have anywhere close to too many cards open.
The irony of the horrible Javascript thing is both of webOS' SDKs are built on Javascript. That's why every app is so retardedly slow. Someone once told me CSS transforms aren't hardware accelerated in webOS and that's absurd enough for me to not believe...but given the terrible performance, I'm thinking maybe there's something to it.
The irony of the horrible Javascript thing is both of webOS' SDKs are built on Javascript. That's why every app is so retardedly slow. Someone once told me CSS transforms aren't hardware accelerated in webOS and that's absurd enough for me to not believe...but given the terrible performance, I'm thinking maybe there's something to it.
Unknown Soldier
Member
The hardware inside the Touchpad seems so nice too. The IPS screen is really good, with minimal backlight bleed and nice colors. The speakers on this thing are probably the best available on a tablet. The Qualcomm SoC is obviously solid, and you can OC it a ton too.
Some of the aesthetic decisions are a bit odd, like having the speaker grilles recessed so when you hold the tablet in the portrait orientation, the speaker hole digs into your left hand. You can alleviate this by holding the tablet upside-down, since webOS can rotate the screen 360 degrees, unlike Android.
Also, who's bright idea was it to make the tablet's backside glossy plastic? Fingerprints glow on this tablet like they are painted neon or something. Come on HP, do you UNDERSTAND why everybody except Apple puts matte or rubberized backs on phones? It's to hide fingerprints better, and also make the device easier to grip! The Touchpad's convex shape on the back combined with the glossy plastic makes it always sliding off my lap unless I sit perfectly still.
It's pretty obviously a version 1.0 product, and HP should have learned the lesson of Android tablets starting with Motorola Xoom and also Blackberry Playbook, your version 1.0 tablet is not going to be competitive with iPad. So work hard and patch the shit out of the thing as Google is doing for Android tablets, and don't launch it at exactly the same price as an iPad! It's like nobody at these companies has ever launched a new product before. In this case HP's bungling has killed a promising product even before it had a chance to survive and grow. Sigh.
Some of the aesthetic decisions are a bit odd, like having the speaker grilles recessed so when you hold the tablet in the portrait orientation, the speaker hole digs into your left hand. You can alleviate this by holding the tablet upside-down, since webOS can rotate the screen 360 degrees, unlike Android.
Also, who's bright idea was it to make the tablet's backside glossy plastic? Fingerprints glow on this tablet like they are painted neon or something. Come on HP, do you UNDERSTAND why everybody except Apple puts matte or rubberized backs on phones? It's to hide fingerprints better, and also make the device easier to grip! The Touchpad's convex shape on the back combined with the glossy plastic makes it always sliding off my lap unless I sit perfectly still.
It's pretty obviously a version 1.0 product, and HP should have learned the lesson of Android tablets starting with Motorola Xoom and also Blackberry Playbook, your version 1.0 tablet is not going to be competitive with iPad. So work hard and patch the shit out of the thing as Google is doing for Android tablets, and don't launch it at exactly the same price as an iPad! It's like nobody at these companies has ever launched a new product before. In this case HP's bungling has killed a promising product even before it had a chance to survive and grow. Sigh.
dream
Member
2 more complaints. The ambient light sensor seems really wonky and dims and brightens the display at strange times (read: when the ambient light doesn't change at all). The flicking up gesture causes whatever app has focus to scroll for a bit before zooming out to card view. You're telling me they couldn't intercept gestures that begin at the 1 pixel border?
ComputerMKII
Banned
Freenode.Takuya said:
Update:
Free apps for UK and Ireland TouchPad owners http://blog.palm.com/palm/2011/09/good-things-like-promo-codes-come-to-those-who-wait.html
MarshMellow96
Member
If only finding a Touchpad was as easy.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
The swipe gesture didn't scroll cards for me until I installed the sensitivity patches, so it's probably that.dream said:
The Big Rig
Member
I guess I really can't complain about an MSRP'd $500 tablet I bought for $200. Overall, it fits my needs fine. I needed something for school, and this fulfills that need so that I don't need to save $600 on an iPad.
ComputerMKII
Banned
Fucking this.equap said:
crazy monkey
Banned
How do we increase the touch sensitivity? Some times my touch screen does not respond for second or two.
For those missing a browser home screen try - http://myfav.es/
I've replaced the Globe icon on the Quick Launcher thing with a shortcut to it and it makes getting to my most visited sites a lot less painful than using the woeful bookmarks on the stock browser.
I've found the 6x3 setup to be most useable layout with the TP horizontal tho there are quite a few different configs to play around with.
I've replaced the Globe icon on the Quick Launcher thing with a shortcut to it and it makes getting to my most visited sites a lot less painful than using the woeful bookmarks on the stock browser.
I've found the 6x3 setup to be most useable layout with the TP horizontal tho there are quite a few different configs to play around with.
crazy monkey
Banned
dazed808 said:For those missing a browser home screen try - http://myfav.es/
I've replaced the Globe icon on the Quick Launcher thing with a shortcut to it and it makes getting to my most visited sites a lot less painful than using the woeful bookmarks on the stock browser.
I've found the 6x3 setup to be most useable layout with the TP horizontal tho there are quite a few different configs to play around with.
awesome. Buy advance browser if you can it has tabbed browsing. I might get it soon.
ComputerMKII
Banned
It won't save the page you were at last time you read a file.dream said:
Spiderjericho
Member
I messed around with the Adobe Reader app awhile ago. I don't like that you can't resume a document from the last page read. It seemed slow compared to Dropbox or Good Reader on iPad.
If Comic Shelf were updated (to remember the last page you were on and the capacity to delete the comics from the touchpad, yadda, yadda).
Either Adobe or a second-party PDF app was available comparable to Good Reader.
The browser caching and several features were added in.
And finally Web OS was a little snappier (wo over clocking), then the $100 Touchpad would be highway robbery and people could hold onto them and maybe get the second-gen quad-core tablets in a few years (especially with Android development).
I saw Endgaget that there was another OTA on the way. Anyone knows what this addresses?
If Comic Shelf were updated (to remember the last page you were on and the capacity to delete the comics from the touchpad, yadda, yadda).
Either Adobe or a second-party PDF app was available comparable to Good Reader.
The browser caching and several features were added in.
And finally Web OS was a little snappier (wo over clocking), then the $100 Touchpad would be highway robbery and people could hold onto them and maybe get the second-gen quad-core tablets in a few years (especially with Android development).
I saw Endgaget that there was another OTA on the way. Anyone knows what this addresses?
LQX
Member
I decided to pick up a total body skin from this site.Unknown Soldier said:
http://www.bestskinsever.com/hp-touchpad-skin
Its on sale for $13 today only due to Labor Day. There iPhone and iPad skins get good reviews so will take a chance.